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Posted: 6/21/2001 12:55:26 PM EDT
I need help from all you 1911 Dudes. Now, let me say before I get into my question that I belive the single action, single stack, 90 year old 1911 pistol to be the rough equivelent of a very modern Black-Powder gun. Arcane, and well past it's time in the age of DA doublestacks. Anyway... [IMG]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/012/sg/cr/BO/Gf97059.jpg[/IMG] I bought this Charles Daly 1911 from another AR15.com'er for cheap. It was junk when I got it, and I would recomend against buying Dalys unless you want to spend your hard-earned dollars on a lump of die-cast scrap metal. All I intend to use is the frame and Slide... Sbove is a pic of the new internals I am going to slap in it... [B]Chip McCormick[/B] Commander Type Hammer/Sear Pack Stainless Firing Pin Superlight Aluminum Trigger Checkered Mainspring Housing Hardened Extractor [B]I.A.I Manufacture[/B] Stainless Safety Stainless Head Mag Release Stainless Match Barrel and a Colt manufacture Match Grade Series 70 Bushing. I know how to fir Match Bushings, so that is Kewl. And al the other shit is pretty much drop-in. What else should I replace, and what can I expect? Any tricks from dudes who have built up thier 1911's? I have built one up on a Caspian frame and one on a IAI Frame before, so I pretty much know what to do. I just need any help from guys who have tricked out Dalys. Thanks in advance, and remember. GLOCK 20 Rules all. McUZI, Chief Advisor to the Foriegn Minister of Zimbabwe
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 12:59:56 PM EDT
Sell it. It's obvious you don't like it, don't want it and don't appreciate it. So sell the crap.
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 1:02:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fight4yourrights: Sell it. It's obvious you don't like it, don't want it and don't appreciate it. So sell the crap.
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I do like it, I do want it, and I do appreciate it. I just don't make the 1911 out to be the end-all-be-all that it's hard core fans do. Those guns couldn't eat the feces of my Glock 20.I just like having different types of guns. [:)]
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 1:08:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/21/2001 1:05:29 PM EDT by fight4yourrights]
I don't worship at the alter of the 1911. My first pistol was a Glock 17. Great gun. My lastest is a Kimber Custom Classic Stainless. I can appreciate both designs. One is a classic, beautiful piece of workmanship. The other is a tool. I trust them both and use them both.
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 1:08:44 PM EDT
A _mcfool with _mcmoney. Send the _mcdaly back to your_mcfriend and get your_mcmoney back. Your project is like putting racing parts in a _mcyugo
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 1:14:29 PM EDT
I agree with hangfire. You can't polish a turd. Or pull the corn out replace it with candy and call it a sundae.
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 1:17:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE: A _mcfool with _mcmoney. Send the _mcdaly back to your_mcfriend and get your_mcmoney back. Your project is like putting racing parts in a _mcyugo
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Ahngfire, instead of flaming this with you, I will cordially disagree (Since I am on a campaign to get my screen name back) All I am really using is the frame and Slide-- I am getting a new Guide Rod and Spring Kit from Brownells... Both frame rails and Slide ways have been polished, and are very neatley in spec. Yes, all the rest of the small intracate parts are crude, but that's why i'm tossing them. The gun will be a gem when i'm done.... I just want to make sure I do it right
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 1:19:49 PM EDT
Charles Daly 1911 = POS Sell it, give it away, or throw it out. Get a Colt 1991 or Springfield GI model and put the parts in that. If you have a Caspian you obviously know better.
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 1:20:41 PM EDT
_McUZI, The most important thing IMO is the barrel, bushing, slide, and extractor fit. I've seen guns that functioned perfectly with a sloppy fit barrel start to fail to feed after a match barrel was fit and installed. The reason behind this is that a sloppy barrel fit can compensate for an overly tight extractor. Have an experienced smith fit the barrel and bushing. If not fit correctly, the lugs can shear off or there can be barrel springing if the bushing is fit wrong. If your changing the barrel, I would go ahead and get a properly sized slide release from EGW. It should measure .199 or .200. Take a micrometer and measure the current slide release, if it's not .199 or .200, pitch it. Mainspring housing installation is straight forward. The thumb safety just requires patience to install. The McCormick Sear and hammer should get you around a 4 lb pull with no modifications. To really get a super trigger with no creep, again get a smith to install it and by all means get a Colt or Wolfe Sear Leaf spring. Properly sized sear and hammer pins will help as well. Hope that helps.
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 1:24:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fanof1911s: _McUZI, The most important thing IMO is the barrel, bushing, slide, and extractor fit. I've seen guns that functioned perfectly with a sloppy fit barrel start to fail to feed after a match barrel was fit and installed. The reason behind this is that a sloppy barrel fit can compensate for an overly tight extractor. Have an experienced smith fit the barrel and bushing. If not fit correctly, the lugs can shear off or there can be barrel springing if the bushing is fit wrong. If your changing the barrel, I would go ahead and get a properly sized slide release from EGW. It should measure .199 or .200. Take a micrometer and measure the current slide release, if it's not .199 or .200, pitch it. Mainspring housing installation is straight forward. The thumb safety just requires patience to install. The McCormick Sear and hammer should get you around a 4 lb pull with no modifications. To really get a super trigger with no creep, again get a smith to install it and by all means get a Colt or Wolfe Sear Leaf spring. Properly sized sear and hammer pins will help as well. Hope that helps.
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Damn dude. You should start your own religion [:D] Thanks a bunch bro!!!!!!!!!!! [:D] [:D]
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 1:38:31 PM EDT
My pleasure _McUzi. BTW what sights are you going to get? I like the Heine and Bomar sights.
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 1:43:37 PM EDT
Well, probably Novak. Brownells has those Novak Competition 1911 High Riders for like $35.00 for the rear... This is probably going to be a dedicated steel plate gun, so I don't really need any carry dimensions like the Lo-Pro's... I just like the Novak rear sight design. It's really broad and precise for shooting pins and plates [:)]
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 1:53:32 PM EDT
Buy the Khunhausen 1911 gunsmithing books. Those will tell you everything you need to know.
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 1:55:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbrog|io: Buy the Khunhausen 1911 gunsmithing books. Those will tell you everything you need to know.
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Do they make one for a 10/22 and a .38 [:p]
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 2:08:08 PM EDT
Hay I had a Firestorm 1911 that I got for $200 spend about $400 at Wilson combat and it shot better then any Springfield that I've ever shot. Sold it off for $900 not bad.
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 2:34:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/22/2001 8:31:18 AM EDT by Norm_G]
I'm going to disagree with all of the "sell it" crew. I shoot bullseye quite a bit and am on the bullseye list. We have a number of top-end bullseye gunsmiths on the list. These are guys that routinely squeeze the accuracy down to 1" at fifty yards, ten shot groups. They're not a bunch of checkering and plating eye candy specialists. The consensus is that the Charles Daley pistols are worthwhile bases for building a bullseye pistol, though some of the early ones were quite soft & wouldn't hold any tightness between slide & frame. Unless you've got one of those, your approach is worthwhile. One question. Why on earth a full length guide rod. Most worthless piece of add-on even invented. They make takedown difficult, come unscrewed (even the one piece types) at the most inopportune times and do nothing to enhance accuracy or relibility. The rest of your parts seem pretty decent. Keep us up on your results. Norm
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 2:43:23 PM EDT
Get a spring steel extractor from Cylinder and Slide.
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 2:46:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By garden weasel: Get a spring steel extractor from Cylinder and Slide.
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They do some of the best work out there. A buddy of miune bought a Smith 610 10MM Revolver and had C&S do a full-house tuning package on it.. It was probably the finest revolver I ever handled. I'm gunna stick with the McCormick extractor cuz it is tensioned right, and I already bought it. But, yeah. C&S it top drawer.
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 2:53:03 PM EDT
I agree with Norm G on the guide rod. A GUNGURU recently stated after "exhaustive testing of all manner of 1911's" the one piece guide rod "showed no appreciable effect on accuracy."
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 2:53:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Norm G: I'm going to disagree with all of the "sell it" crew. I shoot bullseye quite a bit and am on the bulseye list. We have a number of top-end bullseye gunsmiths. These are guys that routinely squeeze the accuracy down to 1" at fifty yards, ten shot groups. Thy're not a bunch of checkering and plating eye candy specialists. The consensus is that the Charles Daley pistols are worthwhile bases for building a bullseye pistol, though some of the early ones were quite soft & wouldn't hold any tightness between slide & frame. Unless you've got one of those, your approach is worthwhile. One question. Why on earth a full length guide rod. Most worthless piece of add-on even invented. They make takedown difficult, come unscrewed (even the one piece types) at the most inopportune times and do nothing to enhance accuracy or relibility. The rest of your parts seem pretty decent. Keep us up on your results. Norm
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I couldn't agree more about the functionality. I like them for the added weight they put up front resulting in less felt recoil and muzzle flip. I use the Tungsten guide rods instead of steel.
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 3:03:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 3:07:42 PM EDT
Tung$ten. [url]http://www.cominolli.com/tung.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 3:09:25 PM EDT
If you have the money buy a gun straight from Wilson Combat. You can waste alot of time and money and you will still have a Charles Daly. It won't be worth much if you decide to sell it. I have had 4 Wilsons and I have shot the piss out of them and still made money on them when I sold them used. You get what you pay for!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 3:10:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/21/2001 3:10:04 PM EDT by McUZI]
Originally Posted By Paul: Noticed that you didn't mention springs - recoil and main are typically tweaked for your purpose. What kind of sights did it come with?
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As for recoil spring, I am going to be using a Wolff 16# spring. It's good for GI loaded hardball, and that works fine on steel plates. In the future, I want to build up a Caspian Barstock frame into a .45 Super and then I will have use for this insane 26# recoil spring I have had lying around since I was 19 years old.The sights are Fixed CD cast post'n'slot ABSOLUTE junk.. I am going to get Novak's with the insert to replace the factory crap. I know N_O_T_H_I_N_G about mainsprings...
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 3:15:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SPORTSMANS SUPPLY: If you have the money buy a gun straight from Wilson Combat. You can waste alot of time and money and you will still have a Charles Daly. It won't be worth much if you decide to sell it. I have had 4 Wilsons and I have shot the piss out of them and still made money on them when I sold them used. You get what you pay for!!!!!!!!
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Hey dude. Do you still have my private top-secret home e-mail address? Let me know if you still have those Stainless 1'n'8 Armalite 24" uppers- That price was tooooooooooooooooooo good [:D]
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 3:30:52 PM EDT
Dude, I don't still have it but I still will make you a deal on an Armalite upper. Email me and let me know which one you want. By the way your Web Site is a trip!! I love it.
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 5:15:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SPORTSMANS SUPPLY: Dude, I don't still have it but I still will make you a deal on an Armalite upper. Email me and let me know which one you want. By the way your Web Site is a trip!! I love it.
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Kewl! I'll e-mail in a sec
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 9:15:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By darwindog: I agree with hangfire. You can't polish a turd. Or pull the corn out replace it with candy and call it a sundae.
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My vote for QUOTEOFTHEDAY[smoke]
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 9:19:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By _McUZI:
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE: A _mcfool with _mcmoney. Send the _mcdaly back to your_mcfriend and get your_mcmoney back. Your project is like putting racing parts in a _mcyugo
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Ahngfire, instead of flaming this with you, I will cordially disagree (Since I am on a campaign to get my screen name back)
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In that case I will TRY not to inflame you until you get your name back.
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 9:24:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE: In that case I will TRY not to inflame you until you get your name back.
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I knew there was a little love in this love/hate relationship! [:D]
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 10:08:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE:
Originally Posted By darwindog: I agree with hangfire. You can't polish a turd. Or pull the corn out replace it with candy and call it a sundae.
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My vote for QUOTEOFTHEDAY[smoke]
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Yes .... That was Beautiful!
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 10:30:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By _McUZI: Those guns couldn't eat the feces of my Glock 20.
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Har! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! Ho, ho, he, he! Thanks, I needed a good laugh. I have a box stock Colt Series 70 Gov't model, never jams. Always goes bang. I used it to clear a five pin table in 3.43 seconds. Not bad for a nearsighted fat guy. On the other hand, I HAD an example of the original combat Tupperware, the G17. The plastic recoil spring guide broke after 100 rounds and the gun was useless. No more Tupperware for me.
Link Posted: 6/21/2001 10:34:11 PM EDT
I have 7-8000 through mine... 1 Stovepipe within the first 10 rounds I had the gun. Thousands and thousands and thousands of rounds of handloads of every spice, not 1 jam. Oh yeah. 15 Rounds of 620+ FPE-- Can your 1911 beat either capacity, or power? No? Go to bed.
Link Posted: 6/22/2001 4:38:55 AM EDT
Here's a tip you might already know: Use a strip of friction (skateboard, anti-slip) tape on the frontstrap for a more secure grip. Make it long enough to fit underneath the front edges of the grip panels and it will be clamped in place.
Link Posted: 6/22/2001 8:01:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/22/2001 8:34:33 AM EDT by Norm_G]
For those who are telling you "it'll always be a Charles Daly" or some such, are you doing this to shoot it or to sell it? If the Wilsons were so great, why did they get sold? Re: a Glock's "firepower" How many times do you plan on missing? If you can't solve the problem with four or five rounds of .45ACP, you can't solve the problem. Well, then again, maybe a true mall ninja has more problems than the rest of us. [:)] Norm, who's never sold a gun
Link Posted: 6/22/2001 8:15:45 AM EDT
Agree with above posts on full length guide rod. BUT, you gotta admit it looks real cool with the slide locked back and two thingys sticking out the front. MMMMMMMM 230 BALL ammo tases sooo good.... your 1911 Masterpiece is gonna like it and so are those pesky steel plates.[:D] P.S so much for my serious comments, are you going to put a second pair of sights on the side for GANSTA Style shootin?
Link Posted: 6/22/2001 8:23:41 AM EDT
I once owned a Daly 1911. I put a Wilson match bushing in it, a wilson trigger, McCormick hammer and sear, kept the factory springs and sights. With handloads it would shoot just two inches at 25 yards. When I was happy with how it shot, I stippled the front strap, lightly dehorned the slide and put a group gripper in it and made a set of Cocobolo grips. It shot great. Unfortunately, I dedcided I needed something that recoiled slightly less, was smaller and cheaper to shoot. It got traded for a Walther PPK/S in .380 so I could teach the girlfriend I had at the time how to shoot. Stupid. I shoulda kept the Daly. I wouldn't have found it necessary to go buy a Springfield two days ago. _McUzi, I'd keep it and shoot the thing. Once you get them worked up, they shoot good. Mine would have shot better, but I used the factory barrel. ML
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