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Posted: 11/15/2008 11:27:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2008 10:22:34 AM EDT by lospeed_hidrag2]
So today I shot my new savage 93, 17 hmr for the first time.  I thought all the stories about the 17's phenomenal accuracy were mainy BS.  How wrong I was, I am a believer now.

The rifle:  savage 93 with leupold 2-7x33 rifleman scope, bipod just to sight it in.  Used hornady 17 grain V max.


The results:  50 yards, bench and bipod used.



Needless to say this is my go to gun for any small critters now.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 11:33:30 AM EDT
damn tight group....
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 11:33:54 AM EDT
I've got a Marlin 917..

.17hmr is a sweet little round..
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 11:35:13 AM EDT
Hey, nice choice!  Very fun rifle, and a zippy little round! Here's mine:


Link Posted: 11/15/2008 11:35:39 AM EDT
I can't wait to go hunting now.  Will be able to tag squirrels way on out.  I honestly didn't think I had that good of shooting in me.  I'm still amazed by the group.  
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 11:36:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Thorgrim:
Hey, nice choice!  Very fun rifle, and a zippy little round! Here's mine:
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n195/Thor_Grim/Picture019web.jpg



Nice, like the heavy barrel.

Link Posted: 11/15/2008 11:36:47 AM EDT
Wow.  Nice shooting!
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 11:37:58 AM EDT
Nice little rifles, gents. I want one.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 11:38:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By toaster:
Nice little rifles, gents. I want one.


Having shot this 17, makes me wonder why I even own .22s anymore.  lol

Link Posted: 11/15/2008 11:39:26 AM EDT
My Savage shoots like that at 100yds too.

It will only do it with Hornady 17gr ammo.

Link Posted: 11/15/2008 11:39:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2008 11:42:30 AM EDT by lildavid67]
I just bought my wife a savage in .17 mach2.  She's a brand new shooter and right out of the box she was shooting 2.5" groups at 100 yards from a bench.

ETA:  has anyone else noticed how much better their groups are/were with the hornaday factory ammo than with others?  i bought a few boxes of the Eley and it's groups are easily twice the size.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 11:42:14 AM EDT
Had to be different and go with a lever action .17 :



50 yards looks like this:



It's lighter than my 10/22, and hits alot harder.  Great round for small varmints.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 11:42:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Dragracer_Art:
My Savage shoots like that at 100yds too.

It will only do it with Hornady 17gr ammo.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/yullose/savage17.jpg



Only ammo I had with me was the hornady and some winchester super x 20 gr gamepoint.  The winchester shot like crap though, now I gotta buy like 1k rounds of hornady.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 11:43:16 AM EDT
What are the differences between .17 HMR and .17 Mach 2?  I take it you can not shoot both in the same chambering.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 11:44:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2008 11:48:21 AM EDT by lildavid67]
Originally Posted By AR15Texan:
What are the differences between .17 HMR and .17 Mach 2?  I take it you can not shoot both in the same chambering.


the HMR looks like a necked down .22 magnum and the mach 2 looks like a necked down .22 long rifle cartridge.

ETA:  and the HMR ammo, while having a little better balistics, can cost almost 4 times as much.  comparible to the price difference of .22 lr and .22 magnum.

Link Posted: 11/15/2008 11:44:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AR15Texan:
What are the differences between .17 HMR and .17 Mach 2?  I take it you can not shoot both in the same chambering.


17 hmr is made from the 22 WMR casing.  17 HM2 is made from a long rifle casing or some such.

Link Posted: 11/15/2008 11:55:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 12:02:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LouisianaCarry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfuBREMXxts


that was actually the song going through my head

Link Posted: 11/15/2008 12:05:00 PM EDT



Originally Posted By lospeed_hidrag2:



Originally Posted By LouisianaCarry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfuBREMXxts




that was actually the song going through my head






And everyone else's now that you posted this thread.



Just thought I'd stick it good.



Happy to serve.  


Link Posted: 11/15/2008 12:06:47 PM EDT
Precision, solid based bullets.  Regular rimfire has a heeled bullet with a hollow base.  That is why they can never be as accurate.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 12:08:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Precision, solid based bullets.  Regular rimfire has a heeled bullet with a hollow base.  That is why they can never be as accurate.



ok cool to know, what about 22 WMRs?
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 12:12:56 PM EDT
yep, my .17 is like a laser.   Took out 30 squirrels last year, used only 30 rounds at 100-120 yards with a 10x super sniper.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 12:17:39 PM EDT
My only gripe about the .17hmr..

When I first bought it, a box of ammo was $6-7 a box.. and is now $13-15 a box..

For 30 cents a shot.. hand loading .223 is looking pretty good :)

Very fun rifle to shoot though
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 12:22:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By lospeed_hidrag2:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Precision, solid based bullets.  Regular rimfire has a heeled bullet with a hollow base.  That is why they can never be as accurate.



ok cool to know, what about 22 WMRs?





22 mags have a standard bullet. 22 lr can be every bit as accurate.


i have a BSA International that I would like to get a barrel in 17hmr .  I would also like to get one in 22lr and 22mag and make it a switch barrel
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 12:25:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2008 12:26:11 PM EDT by DEC]
I am now a believer in that Savage 17. Three friends and I took 3 day bird hunrting trip to the Allagash this fall. One brought a Savage 17 HMR, the other 3 of us brought 10/22s and a Savage 22 bolt for plinking on Sunday. The target rack consisted of a 2x4 with holes drilled to accept the Dumb Dumb lolli pops, and various coins, we then graduated to cutting off golf Tees. What an accurate little gun. If I didn;t have 3 10/22s I would have one




Link Posted: 11/15/2008 4:45:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DEC:
I am now a believer in that Savage 17. Three friends and I took 3 day bird hunrting trip to the Allagash this fall. One brought a Savage 17 HMR, the other 3 of us brought 10/22s and a Savage 22 bolt for plinking on Sunday. The target rack consisted of a 2x4 with holes drilled to accept the Dumb Dumb lolli pops, and various coins, we then graduated to cutting off golf Tees. What an accurate little gun. If I didn;t have 3 10/22s I would have one

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/DEC1/TargetRackAllagash2008.jpg


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/DEC1/GunsofNavaroneCountyStyleAllagash20.jpg


nice, what range yall shoot dumb dumbs at?

Link Posted: 11/15/2008 5:05:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By lospeed_hidrag2:
Originally Posted By toaster:
Nice little rifles, gents. I want one.


Having shot this 17, makes me wonder why I even own .22s anymore.  lol



Ammo costs?  I can buy 550 .22 rounds for the price of 50 .17 HMR rounds.  I have the CZ 452 in .17 HMR and I love that gun.  Just wish ammo was cheaper.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 5:09:04 PM EDT
Those of you with the Savage, did you adjust your trigger pull? Mine is incredibly light, which tends to affect my accuracy.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 5:50:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By karnaaj:
Originally Posted By lospeed_hidrag2:
Originally Posted By toaster:
Nice little rifles, gents. I want one.


Having shot this 17, makes me wonder why I even own .22s anymore.  lol



Ammo costs?  I can buy 550 .22 rounds for the price of 50 .17 HMR rounds.  I have the CZ 452 in .17 HMR and I love that gun.  Just wish ammo was cheaper.


well yeah, just for practicing and teaching new shooters the 22 is still the best, but as far as hunting and varmints, I doubt ill touch a 22 again.

Link Posted: 11/15/2008 5:51:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mp_moody:
Those of you with the Savage, did you adjust your trigger pull? Mine is incredibly light, which tends to affect my accuracy.


No I didn't adjust mine, from the way the manual reads, it comes from the factory at the lightest setting.It affects my accuracy as well, but in a good way

Link Posted: 11/15/2008 6:15:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By lospeed_hidrag2:
So today I shot my new savage 93, 17 hmr for the first time.  I thought all the stories about the 17's phenomenal accuracy were mainy BS.  How wrong I was, I am a believer now.

The rifle:  savage 93 with leupold 2-7x33 rifleman scope, bipod just to sight it in.  Used hornady 17 grain V max.
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7261/savage17wp9.jpg

The results:  50 yards, bench and bipod used.

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7627/groupingxx3.jpg

Needless to say this is my go to gun for any small critters now.



BIG +1 on that. I bought a Rem Model 597 in 17HMR, and that thing shoots 1/4" groups at 100yards for about the first 5 rounds. Then it needs to be cleaned, cause it seems to foul really bad. Ither than that, t's accurate, and it stops small critters in their tracks.

Heres a coyote I got using Hornady 17 rgain Vmax out of my 597.

Link Posted: 11/15/2008 6:26:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2008 6:32:19 PM EDT by Mxpatriot51]
I have a CZ 452 Varmint in .17 HM2 that's an absolute tack driver. Consistently .5 MOA. Not bad for a $350 rifle shooting $0.10/round ammunition!


A .24'' center to center 5 shot group shot at 50 yards, prone, with a sand bag as a rest.





Link Posted: 11/15/2008 6:37:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By unpleasant:
My only gripe about the .17hmr..

When I first bought it, a box of ammo was $6-7 a box.. and is now $13-15 a box..

For 30 cents a shot.. hand loading .223 is looking pretty good :)

Very fun rifle to shoot though


I feel you on that one. That was my hesitation with keeping my 17 HM2, that I could almost reload .223 for the same cost. But, for such an accurate and pleasant to shoot weapon, it's worth it.

I found a bunch of Eley match 17 HM2 for about $5 a box a while ago and bought a bunch. Cheaper than I can load cheap FMJ .223 for, let alone comprable accuracy .223.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 6:40:36 PM EDT
you should be able to do that at 100 pretty easily ...
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 6:40:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By EMD:


BIG +1 on that. I bought a Rem Model 597 in 17HMR, and that thing shoots 1/4" groups at 100yards for about the first 5 rounds. Then it needs to be cleaned, cause it seems to foul really bad. Ither than that, t's accurate, and it stops small critters in their tracks.

Heres a coyote I got using Hornady 17 rgain Vmax out of my 597.

http://i36.tinypic.com/6oocb9.jpg


How does the little 17gr. V-max do on coyotes? I've shot rabbits, squirrels, a gopher (caught that fucker in the open! That's the last hole he'd dig!), and rats with it with good results, I'm curious to see how well it handles a coyote.



Link Posted: 11/16/2008 4:58:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By lildavid67:

ETA:  has anyone else noticed how much better their groups are/were with the hornaday factory ammo than with others?  i bought a few boxes of the Eley and it's groups are easily twice the size.



I couldn't believe the difference...  I tried Federal, Remington, CCI and Hornady.

The ONLY ammo my gun will shoot straight is Hornady...  the other stuff is ALL OVER the paper.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 5:15:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/16/2008 5:17:36 AM EDT by ultramagbrion]
Originally Posted By mp_moody:
Those of you with the Savage, did you adjust your trigger pull? Mine is incredibly light, which tends to affect my accuracy.


Ive got a 93/17 Varmint (pre-Accutrigger)I absolutely love..........since I bought about 4 years ago, my 10/22 just collects dust. Ive taken many prizes with it at my old club's Sunday shoot at 75 yards.

It likes Remington's Premier ballistic tip ammo best, with Hornady's V-Max a close 2nd.

Somewhere over on Savage Shooter's website was a pinned article about re-doing the trigger. It involved shimming the trigger group away from the action about .010 IIRC and cutting the trigger spring down. Mine works awesome and its about 2.5-3 lbs now and pretty crisp. I used a shortened spring from a ballpoint pen and brass shim stock.

I couldnt find the article, but you might be able to if you look around under the rimfire section.

Ive got to get going now, but if you cant find it , Ill check back into this thread tonight and maybe do some measuring on mine ....post some pix.


It makes a world of difference

Link Posted: 11/16/2008 5:41:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/16/2008 5:48:39 AM EDT by Dragracer_Art]
Originally Posted By ultramagbrion:
Originally Posted By mp_moody:
Those of you with the Savage, did you adjust your trigger pull? Mine is incredibly light, which tends to affect my accuracy.


Ive got a 93/17 Varmint (pre-Accutrigger)I absolutely love..........since I bought about 4 years ago, my 10/22 just collects dust. Ive taken many prizes with it at my old club's Sunday shoot at 75 yards.

It likes Remington's Premier ballistic tip ammo best, with Hornady's V-Max a close 2nd.

Somewhere over on Savage Shooter's website was a pinned article about re-doing the trigger. It involved shimming the trigger group away from the action about .010 IIRC and cutting the trigger spring down. Mine works awesome and its about 2.5-3 lbs now and pretty crisp. I used a shortened spring from a ballpoint pen and brass shim stock.

I couldnt find the article, but you might be able to if you look around under the rimfire section.

Ive got to get going now, but if you cant find it , Ill check back into this thread tonight and maybe do some measuring on mine ....post some pix.


It makes a world of difference




Mine was bought a year ago...  and came with the newer accutrigger...   It will only adjust down so far...  before you need to clip a coil or two from a spring...

After making the changes to the trigger...  it was a whole 'nuther gun.

I think I saw an article (with pics) about the procedure over on the rimfire forums...

The rear-most spring is the one I had to clip...

Link Posted: 11/16/2008 5:52:05 AM EDT
My Savage 93R17 will outshoot my Marlin 917VS.

Also I tend to get better groups with Remington 17HMR out of the Savage and Hornady VMAX out of the Marlin.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 5:59:27 AM EDT
Hmm, with the Youtube link I was expecting this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZHVkJ1wVFM

I've got a Marlin .17 that I havent' tried on squirrels yet. I'll have to get it out and see how it groups. I honestly have not shot it much at all yet.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 6:07:23 AM EDT
I have killed literally hundreds of ground hogs with my Marlin 17VS. Never had one get away. Only had to shoot two more than once. All the rest dropped right where they stood. Head shots are easy out to 100 yds. and my preferred spot to hit them up close and off hand.

My rifle shoots right at .5" ctc at 100 yds. with hornandy. The hornandy 20 grn stuff shoots about 1" at 100.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 1:02:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mxpatriot51:
Originally Posted By unpleasant:
My only gripe about the .17hmr..

When I first bought it, a box of ammo was $6-7 a box.. and is now $13-15 a box..

For 30 cents a shot.. hand loading .223 is looking pretty good :)

Very fun rifle to shoot though


I feel you on that one. That was my hesitation with keeping my 17 HM2, that I could almost reload .223 for the same cost. But, for such an accurate and pleasant to shoot weapon, it's worth it.

I found a bunch of Eley match 17 HM2 for about $5 a box a while ago and bought a bunch. Cheaper than I can load cheap FMJ .223 for, let alone comprable accuracy .223.



Does your rifle shoot the Eley accurately?  My wife's savage HATES Eley.  The only brand I've found that holds a good group is the hornady.  
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 2:50:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mxpatriot51:
Originally Posted By EMD:


BIG +1 on that. I bought a Rem Model 597 in 17HMR, and that thing shoots 1/4" groups at 100yards for about the first 5 rounds. Then it needs to be cleaned, cause it seems to foul really bad. Ither than that, t's accurate, and it stops small critters in their tracks.

Heres a coyote I got using Hornady 17 rgain Vmax out of my 597.

http://i36.tinypic.com/6oocb9.jpg


How does the little 17gr. V-max do on coyotes? I've shot rabbits, squirrels, a gopher (caught that fucker in the open! That's the last hole he'd dig!), and rats with it with good results, I'm curious to see how well it handles a coyote.





I took that coyote with one shot at about 50 yards. He was running down the fence line and I whistled, he stopped and turned to look at me (big mistake) and I shot him in the chest, just a little to the left of the breast bone. He jumped and tried to bite himself in the chest, then turned and began to step forward and fell over dead.

I think if I hit the breast bone he would have lived and taken off wounded.  

I think with good shot placement you could take larger coyotes and feral dogs, but I think that is the upper limit of the .17HMR.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 2:56:34 PM EDT
sweet!
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 4:26:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By lildavid67:
Originally Posted By Mxpatriot51:
Originally Posted By unpleasant:
My only gripe about the .17hmr..

When I first bought it, a box of ammo was $6-7 a box.. and is now $13-15 a box..

For 30 cents a shot.. hand loading .223 is looking pretty good :)

Very fun rifle to shoot though


I feel you on that one. That was my hesitation with keeping my 17 HM2, that I could almost reload .223 for the same cost. But, for such an accurate and pleasant to shoot weapon, it's worth it.

I found a bunch of Eley match 17 HM2 for about $5 a box a while ago and bought a bunch. Cheaper than I can load cheap FMJ .223 for, let alone comprable accuracy .223.



Does your rifle shoot the Eley accurately?  My wife's savage HATES Eley.  The only brand I've found that holds a good group is the hornady.  


Yep. The above group was shot with Eley. I think Hornady is the most accurate, but the Eley is also very accurate as well.

Link Posted: 11/16/2008 5:49:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/16/2008 5:50:38 PM EDT by PC-Tech]
Damn it guys! look what you made me do!



I was at Bass Pro Shop saw this tagged at $329, and after reading this post I went for it.

The best part it was missed priced, it rang up $399, but they had to give it to me for $329.  

Now I have to look for a scope. I hope you all are happy now.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 5:54:37 PM EDT
Whereabouts in NC are you ???

I need to get out and shoot mine...  haven't fired it in months.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 5:56:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By PC-Tech:
Damn it guys! look what you made me do!

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll434/hdc_ar15/_MG_2602.jpg

I was at Bass Pro Shop saw this tagged at $329, and after reading this post I went for it.

The best part it was missed priced, it rang up $399, but they had to give it to me for $329.  

Now I have to look for a scope. I hope you all are happy now.



Damn, nice! New? Used? What is it?
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 5:57:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/16/2008 5:58:19 PM EDT by PC-Tech]
Originally Posted By Dragracer_Art:
Whereabouts in NC are you ???

I need to get out and shoot mine...  haven't fired it in months.


Huntersville

I need to sign up for one of the clubs around here.  I'm tired of going all the way down to Leads in Chaster, SC. If you're close by  let me know.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 6:00:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JCKnife:
Originally Posted By PC-Tech:
Damn it guys! look what you made me do!

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll434/hdc_ar15/_MG_2602.jpg

I was at Bass Pro Shop saw this tagged at $329, and after reading this post I went for it.

The best part it was missed priced, it rang up $399, but they had to give it to me for $329.  

Now I have to look for a scope. I hope you all are happy now.



Damn, nice! New? Used? What is it?


100% new in box.
Savage 93R17 BTVSS

I love it when I get a deal.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 6:02:01 PM EDT



Originally Posted By JCKnife:

Hmm, with the Youtube link I was expecting this song:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZHVkJ1wVFM



I've got a Marlin .17 that I havent' tried on squirrels yet. I'll have to get it out and see how it groups. I honestly have not shot it much at all yet.


HAHAHAHA!

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