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Posted: 12/24/2003 9:56:08 PM EDT
I will be adding one to my collection now that the xmas shopping is done and thought I would see what is favored.

I had been leaning towards one of the HK clones until the "Are FALs worth the money ARs..." thread, and now I am torn between the two.

The grip on the HK feels better to me and I do like the location of the cocking lever. However I am under the impression that the FAL is more reliable as well as more accurate.

Also that pic of the FAL with the Reflex on it didnt help.

So which should it be?

CH
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 9:58:30 PM EDT
*IF* I ever get a .308 detmag rifle, it will be an AR-10...
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 10:01:20 PM EDT
Springfield 16" SOCOM Carbine

[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p13549c0ce3233eb1ac4c9ff58d26c868/fa6b894e.jpg[/img]

Not released as of yet, but check out the M1A Scout 18"
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 10:03:43 PM EDT



  Since I'm divorced. I sleep with my Armalite AR10A2 Carbine.  

 I like American MADE weapons.

 You may want to check out the "Special Edition Black Rifles"

 I'm sure an SEBR AR10A4 Carbine would make you happy.

         Good luck and look out. Here comes all the FAL Fans.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 11:10:46 PM EDT
I have two ARS FAL carbines that are kinda cool.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 2:51:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2003 2:53:03 AM EDT by HiramRanger]
I will qualify this by saying I have a SEBR carbine on order... but it will never see a round down the barrel, it is a collectible.  I recently picked this up.  It belonged to a buddy of mine, and when I played with it I fell in love.

[img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=20757[/img]

I paid $600, you could reasonably expect to pay $750-$800 for something like this with the DSA parts and optics rail.  For $600 you can currently get a FAL carbine from [url]www.ohiorapidfire.com[/url].  The guys at ORF know their shit!

So, you can spend $1,250 plus on an M1A Socom carbine or the SEBR carbine, or you can spend half that and get a FAL...

FAL mags, $3... AR10 and M14 mags $40 and up

FAL parts plentiful and cheap

FAL is a much simpler design to work on

FAL is extensively battle proven - more so then the other rifles, although the M1A/M14 has a good track record.  The AR10 just doesn't have enough time in country to judge its longterm performance.

FALs they just look mean... no refined corners and curves, angles and attitude baby!
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 9:39:44 AM EDT
Dave, I thought about a 308 AR, between the price, the mags, the parts, its just not what I am looking for. Part of the resason I narrowed it down to the 2 is the prices ans the amount of extras out there for them. That and you cant beat the price of the mags, and i am a mag whore!

Tiv,
My buddy has the 18" M1a as his truck gun and I do like it. For some reason though it feels kinda off for me. I have an M1A that I love but whenever I shoot his it just doesnt feel right, the balance is just not what I am used to I think. The one in the pick looks nice none the less!

HiremR,
That is a damm nice rifle and I have seen that pic here ans over at FALfiles.com, ans its part os the reason I am really looking at the FAL versus the HK91 platform.

I had a HK911, and it is one of "those" you regret parting with, even though I made good money on the deal, I still wish I had kept it. THat is one reason I have been leaning towards the HLK91s, but I am not so sure the HK91 holds much of anything over the FAL. The few important things to me are:

1. Reliablity - When the most accurate gun in the world has a malfuction, it is just a club. But a reliable gun will at the very least send rounds down range or save your ass in close.
2. Accuracy - Second only to #1. If you have reliablity, then hitting your target is the next step.
3. Ability to Service - Hirem hit it on the nose. Lots of extra parts out there and cheap mags. Both the 91 and the FAL share this.
4. Fit and function - SHould not be hard to handle or uncomfortable to fire. There is room to sway here as this is not nearly as important as #1 or #2.

Any HK guys going to chime in?

CH



Link Posted: 12/25/2003 9:43:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tivoli410:
Springfield 16" SOCOM Carbine

[url]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p13549c0ce3233eb1ac4c9ff58d26c868/fa6b894e.jpg[/url]

Not released as of yet, but check out the M1A Scout 18"
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Damnit you just had to post that didn't you. Now I finaly have an excuse to get a M1A.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 9:43:55 AM EDT
AR-10.

[img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=20251[/img]

Danny
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 9:54:24 AM EDT
Say hello to my little friend....

[url]http://www.986host.com/gallery/eclou/DSC01961[/url]
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 10:17:48 AM EDT
I have a .308 Browning lever action, does that count ?
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 10:23:16 AM EDT
How much of a performance hit do you take with those short barrelled .308s?  What kind of range can one expect out of that 16" M1A?
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 10:25:15 AM EDT
A .308 in carbine length is just plain dumb.

What would be the point?  An AR fills that requirement.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 10:28:14 AM EDT
I think 16" is too short for a .308 .

18.5" is more like it . May not sound like much but if you want a shorty carbine go with a different calibre .
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 10:29:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By markm:
A .308 in carbine length is just plain dumb.

What would be the point?  An AR fills that requirement.
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You lose 200 fps going down to a 16 inch barrel, but you are still throwing 147 grain bullets down field as opposed to 62 grain.  Also, many folks hunt deer with their .308 carbines and in many states you can't hunt deer with a .223.

And then there is always the all important, what freakin difference could it possibly make to you how somebody else wants to spend THEIR money!
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 10:36:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By photoman:
Originally Posted By tivoli410:
Springfield 16" SOCOM Carbine

[url]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p13549c0ce3233eb1ac4c9ff58d26c868/fa6b894e.jpg[/url]

Not released as of yet, but check out the M1A Scout 18"
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Damnit you just had to post that didn't you. Now I finaly have an excuse to get a M1A.
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Goddamit! I finally forced myself to get rid of my scout and you had to go and post that.  

Someone please go over, in as much detail as possible, why a .308 in 16" makes no sense so I will not be forced to buy that thing.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 10:40:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By markm:
A .308 in carbine length is just plain dumb.

What would be the point?  An AR fills that requirement.
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I would think that we were all past this type of thing. If you are here to flame, let the door hit you on the way out.

It doesnt have to make sense, and only has to fill the requirment of my wanting it, period. Stupid is thinking that a only one gun fills a a certain requirement. Ya the AR covers alot of needs, but that is not whats at questions here.

Back to the topic now...
CH
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 10:44:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Originally Posted By markm:
A .308 in carbine length is just plain dumb.

What would be the point?  An AR fills that requirement.
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many folks hunt deer with their .308 carbines and in many states you can't hunt deer with a .223.

And then there is always the all important, what freakin difference could it possibly make to you how somebody else wants to spend THEIR money!
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That sums it up for my response.

.223 not legal for Deer in Va.

Carbine, cause my shots will likely be inside 100-150 yards. Quick handling. Using 150 gr. Hornady SSTs.

Danny
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 10:44:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2003 10:46:15 AM EDT by Cape_hunter]
CLAY,
Holy Crap Batman, that is a nice rig! Would you mind filling me in on the details; the Who, What Wheres etc.
I have to say that just about seals the deal right there!

CH
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 10:45:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:
Originally Posted By markm:
A .308 in carbine length is just plain dumb.

What would be the point?  An AR fills that requirement.
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I would think that we were all past this type of thing. If you are here to flame, let the door hit you on the way out.

[red]It doesnt have to make sense, and only has to fill the requirment of my wanting it, period.[/red] Stupid is thinking that a only one gun fills a a certain requirement. Ya the AR covers alot of needs, but that is not whats at questions here.

Back to the topic now...

CH
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Looks like we share the same philosophy on guns. Especially the part in red.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 10:52:19 AM EDT
Here's my home build:
[url]http://www.ofoto.com/PhotoView.jsp?&collid=90744949703&photoid=26860875903&page=1[/url]

DSA Badger barrel, DSA scope mount, DSA X-stock new G1 lower and Coonan reciever.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 10:55:41 AM EDT
Omar, that is freakin sweet!
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 11:04:39 AM EDT
Omar,
What Hirem said, Sweeeet!

CH

Link Posted: 12/25/2003 11:06:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 11:11:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By raf:
I'm glad you're happy.
I wouldn't want one in that barrel length without an effective flash suppressor.
YMMV.
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Raf, you are such a party pooper.  I shoot mine during the day, flash isn't an issue... in fact, its kind of fun!  Want to see some real flash, try a krinkov... woohoo!  In a few months, those flash suppressors just might become an option again.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 11:11:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SGTIMAK:
Originally Posted By photoman:
Originally Posted By tivoli410:
Springfield 16" SOCOM Carbine

[url]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p13549c0ce3233eb1ac4c9ff58d26c868/fa6b894e.jpg[/url]

Not released as of yet, but check out the M1A Scout 18"
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Damnit you just had to post that didn't you. Now I finaly have an excuse to get a M1A.
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Goddamit! I finally forced myself to get rid of my scout and you had to go and post that.  

Someone please go over, in as much detail as possible, why a .308 in 16" makes no sense so I will not be forced to buy that thing.
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Great... now look what you've done.  Messed around in photoshop to get some ideas.  I need one of these.

[img]http://photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=21993&iGalleryUnq=597&iImageUnq=20911[/img]

My wife is gonna kill me.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 12:41:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:
CLAY,
Holy Crap Batman, that is a nice rig! Would you mind filling me in on the details; the Who, What Wheres etc.
I have to say that just about seals the deal right there!

CH
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It is a DSA SA-58 Ltw Carbine. NLA. DSA scope mount with QRW low rings and a Leupy XII 2-7x scope.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 5:45:11 PM EDT
Thanks Clay. That is a fine looking weapon. How does it shoot?

CH
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 6:23:10 PM EDT
It is more accurate than I can shoot it! Loves to eat Port and Aussie ammo.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 10:52:57 PM EDT


"The grip on the HK feels better to me"

I installed a SAW grip on my DSA Carbine. I hated the steep angle of the original grip


Link Posted: 12/26/2003 4:20:27 AM EDT
I love my little .308 FAL

[img]http://www.funtigo.com/img/i1480752_4527.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 12/26/2003 5:03:21 AM EDT
 I like the short 308.  Got a Springfield Armory SAR-48 Bush rifle that I picked up in 88.  Mounted a Leupold 3x M8 scope on a ARMS reciever cover and drop a whitetail doe at 300m in 89 (was trying for a handgun hunt and nothing closer than 150m).  
Link Posted: 12/26/2003 12:49:02 PM EDT
I've got a homebuilt FAL wearing Izzy furniture.

Barrel length, WITH the brake, is 16".

Why?

Why the hell not?
Link Posted: 12/26/2003 1:21:44 PM EDT
This tool started life as a AR10A4/C/LEO (I wanted a chrome barrel, thus the reason I went this route), now it has a RRA CAR stock with a T forestock and a Smith Vortex. 6k rounds through it to date.
[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid95/pa066ec239945ecec4366d1f3a905039c/fa2f46b5.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 12/26/2003 1:26:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:
16".308 Carbine, do you have one?
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That will be my second FAL build. (when the tax return shows up [;)])
Link Posted: 12/26/2003 1:53:43 PM EDT
I have a Remington 742 in .308. Does that count?
Link Posted: 12/26/2003 4:33:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dredd308:
I love my little .308 FAL
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[img]http://www.funtigo.com/img/i1480752_4527.jpg[/img]

Mine FAL is very much like yours.
[img]http://www.hunt101.com/img/082705.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 12/26/2003 4:53:55 PM EDT
Very nice.

I have pretty much decided on the FAL. I think the Ohio Rapid Fire Carbine may be a good start. I really like that short handguard front end that DSA sells but will most likely wait until tax refund time to put one of those together. This is really great as will soon have new platform to play with!! Keep the pics coming.

CH
Link Posted: 12/26/2003 6:01:23 PM EDT
I, too, am an FALcoholic. I can see a carbine in my future if finances allow. Gotta love those pics, boys.

BTW, I have a DSA medium contour SS. Niiiice rifle, but it needs a sibling.
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