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Posted: 3/13/2005 2:12:57 PM EST
I like using FMJ and it seems like a 11.5" upper would be a great home/ranch defense rifle. easy enough to carry in my atv or jeep while cruising along the US MEX border. But would it basically be a .22lr?

Would i have to use hollow points to cause damage? M193+11.5" upper good plan? mostly concerned with 20-100 meters.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:14:31 PM EST
20m with M855, IIRC.

Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:15:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By Kharn:
20m with M855, IIRC.


wow anything past that and its ice pick?
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:16:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/13/2005 2:17:04 PM EST by TheFreepster]
Try this

12-15 m with M855
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:16:28 PM EST
Go with a 1x7 twist barrel (LMT makes the entire uppers ready to go with that twist) and Black Hills blue box 77gr ammo.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:20:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheFreepster:
Try this

12-15 m with M855

Here, I got the answer for you:

Q. At what range will M193 fragment? How about M855?

Assuming true M193 or M855 ammo, velocity is the key. Velocity is dependent on barrel length and environmental conditions.

As barrel length increases, the bullet is propelled faster by the expanding gasses in the barrel, imparting more velocity on the bullet, resulting in a longer range before a fired bullet drops below 2700 fps. A shorter barrel imparts less velocity, and therefore the bullet has less range.

Temperature, altitude and humidity are other factors. As temperature or altitude increases, air becomes less dense and bullets travel faster. Contrary to common conceptions, as humidity increases air also becomes less dense and helps bullets retain velocity.

It is important, then, to keep in mind that any statistics given can only be approximate and can be affected by a wide range of factors. But as a baseline, these numbers are what you could expect for 75° F, 25% humidity, at sea level, from various barrel lengths:

Distance to 2700 fps
20" Barrel
16" Barrel
14.5" Barrel
11.5" Barrel



As you can see, barrel length and ammo selection make a major impact on fragmentation range.

Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:28:22 PM EST
wow 50 yards they look cool but they dont work so good huh?
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:38:44 PM EST
They will still yaw at longer distance.

Especially the longer bullets.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:47:52 PM EST
MACV-SOG Recon Teams used the Shorty all the time, quite lethally, too. But jungle work is short range. The 16" barrel looks like a good compromise.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 7:32:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By gotm4:
Go with a 1x7 twist barrel (LMT makes the entire uppers ready to go with that twist) and Black Hills blue box 77gr ammo.

so with those they wont ice pick em
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 7:36:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By mike45acp:
wow 50 yards they look cool but they dont work so good huh?

You are taking "home defense shots" outside of 50yds {150'}????

Seems like a great tool to me.....
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 7:38:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/14/2005 7:45:50 AM EST by TexasSIG]
Get thee some 75gr TAP. If you want to joust with 55gr, leave thy shorty barrel at home.

So says the Oracle (well, it sort of says that )

Not sure why you want to stick with an FMJ though.....in a short barrel, fragmentation
is not your best friend, at that point you're depending on bullet design.

If you insist on the short barrel, don't go with more than 75gr in a 1:9 twist. The 77gr
tumble for me at 1:9 but the 75's don't. Must be right on the ragged edge there...... (11.5" bbl)

Best to get 1:7, but I already had this 1:9 laying around so.....paid for is a good thing.
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