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Posted: 9/23/2005 9:16:40 PM EDT
This is one FUN little car...

Bought it with a seized engine. Found a low mileage replacement motor for it in June and been tweaking it ever since.

Exactly 1 month ago the car went 12.83 @ 105mph

Wed night at Cecil County Dragway it went 12.36 @ 111.99 mph on the first pass, 12.25 @ 112 mph on the second pass, and 11.15 @ 121 mph on the third pass when I used the Nitrous Oxide.
The car is comfortable to drive, gets 25mpg, and blends in with everyday traffic...









Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:32:18 AM EDT
DAMN!I've been thinking of picking one up for a project myself.Except,I've got so many projects laying around,either unstarted,or half-finished.There's a guy that runs here at MIR,in the 10s on 10" tires.Haven't been to Cecil in a LONG time.Take care,Dave
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 12:23:00 PM EDT
So how's the learning curve of computers and turbos for a big inch kinda guy?

Sweet ride, I need one too
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 12:33:15 PM EDT
The one thing I've learned is that they respond extremely well to very small improvements...
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 3:43:50 PM EDT
What kind of engine do those GNs have? I don't see them very much.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:41:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CSM:
What kind of engine do those GNs have? I don't see them very much.



3.8 Liter (231cu) V6 with a turbocharger.
In 1986/87 they were the fastest US production cars made.

According to: www.race-cars.net/calculators/horsepower_calculator.html

"Your T-type weighs about 3630 pounds and can complete a 1/4 mile in about 11.15 seconds. That means that you've got about 517.57 HP at the wheels, and about 672.84 HP at the flywheel".
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:43:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:44:57 PM EDT
I miss those GM RWD coupes. I had a nice 77 Cutlass till the fuckers stole it
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:48:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Striker:

Originally Posted By CSM:
What kind of engine do those GNs have? I don't see them very much.


A 3.8 liter (231 cu) V6 with a turbo.
so Art..have you ordered a bigger hair dryer yet?



Yup, the stocker was off of it two weeks ago. It only ran 12.80's with that turbo.

I have a TE62 on it now... With more engine work (internal) that should take me down into the 10's without nitrous.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:52:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:00:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Striker:

Originally Posted By Dragracer_Art:

Originally Posted By Striker:

Originally Posted By CSM:
What kind of engine do those GNs have? I don't see them very much.


A 3.8 liter (231 cu) V6 with a turbo.
so Art..have you ordered a bigger hair dryer yet?



Yup, the stocker was off of it two weeks ago. It only ran 12.80's with that turbo.

I have a TE62 on it now... With more engine work (internal) that should take me down into the 10's without nitrous.



Are you going to cage it or just run it till you get booted off the track after your first pass?



I REALLY don't want to cut the car up and make it into a race car... I like the "sleeper" look.
My days of climbing over roll bars is nearing an end.

BTW...
Just came home with another 2nd Gen Camaro tonight...
My kid brother bought another project car... Guess who's project it REALLY is ?

We bought it from a 16yr old kid for $3k, with a mild sbc in it.
Upon close inspection, it appears that the car is an original 1970 Big Block 4-speed car...
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:46:36 PM EDT
I like it, I really do, so don't get me wrong...


It is a v-6, and I am a mopar guy. I love the power it gets from the turbo though, I think I will try turboing my 318 in my Charger.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 7:01:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/24/2005 7:03:53 PM EDT by YELLOWV]
Nice job man. Those turbo buicks respond to mods real well Ho wmuch boost were you running on the 11 second pass? What octane fuel? Did you run that on the drag radials in your pics? 60' times? Have fun with the Camaro. I just sold a 70' Z28 with a 454 in it a while back. Try nastyz28.com. Best second gen forum around.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 9:09:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 6:43:04 AM EDT
Nice car Dragracer_Art, even nicer after you did your magic on it. A big block Gen-2 Camaro is right up your alley too, LOL, I guess you inherit that project by default.

Buick Regal T-Type's always make a good sleeper, although they are essentially the same car as a GN, many a fool will dismiss a T-Type because it's not black.

Time to smoke some fools then, and of course, some rice.

Very good time and trap speed improvements too, great job and you only just begun.



Link Posted: 9/25/2005 7:28:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 12:58:48 PM EDT


Link Posted: 9/25/2005 8:04:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Striker:

Originally Posted By Dragracer_Art:
BTW...
Just came home with another 2nd Gen Camaro tonight...
My kid brother bought another project car... Guess who's project it REALLY is ?

We bought it from a 16yr old kid for $3k, with a mild sbc in it.
Upon close inspection, it appears that the car is an original 1970 Big Block 4-speed car...


what are you..the Pied Piper of big block camaro's?



I only paid a little over 3 grand for my 70' Z28 w/ the BBC in it. Sold it for 7 grand and it still needed a bunch of body work. I did rebuild the tranny and get it running a WHOLE lot better though
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 10:54:04 AM EDT
Sweet ride!

No burnout pics? What gives?
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 10:58:45 AM EDT
Nice....why is the backend so far up in the air? I don't see traction bars or anything...
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 3:00:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:
Nice....why is the backend so far up in the air? I don't see traction bars or anything...



Looks like it's sitting normal to me. Maybe the angle makes it looked jacked up.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 3:56:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 89grand:

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:
Nice....why is the backend so far up in the air? I don't see traction bars or anything...



Looks like it's sitting normal to me. Maybe the angle makes it looked jacked up.


think back to the '80's dude, those are 15 inch wheels and tires on a passenger car. You've seen too many ricers with torched springs...
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 4:14:37 PM EDT
It's just the camera angle... Pics from the front make it look droopy in the back...
The car actually sits almost perfectly level. Just a tad high in the rear with an empty tank of gas, just a tad low with a full tank.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 4:15:55 PM EDT
Very nice ride. The 3.8 SFI Turbo is what got me into turbo cars. If I could afford to do one for as cheap as I am getting away with my omni, I would do it in a second.

I too would like to know the boost, and octane.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 4:27:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/27/2005 4:31:58 PM EDT by Dragracer_Art]
25psi boost / 112 octane race fuel / 100 shot of nitrous = 11.15 @ 121

w/o nitrous it went 12.25 @ 112mph on race gas and 25psi.

Car has a bigger turbo, good computer chip, good fuel pump, and good injectors... Everything else is pretty much bone stock.
The motor is stock and untouched, the trans is untouched, and the chassis is untouched except for an airbag in the right rear spring.

I've got no more than $6k into the car as it sits.
$3500 for the car
$1500 for the motor
$500 for the turbo (used TE62)
$500 in misc stuff. (including nitrous and sticky tires)

Edit to add:

Prolly another $500 to fix my broken turbo, and another $500 for a 3.5" stainless racing downpipe.
That should put the car in the high 11's w/o nitrous, and into the 10's with it.

Link Posted: 9/27/2005 4:38:10 PM EDT
6K???

I think I need to sell my 440 duster.....
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 5:31:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dragracer_Art:
It's just the camera angle...



Yep, I see it now. My bad......looked too quickly.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 9:38:16 PM EDT
Damn man a nice T type for $3500!!! Where can I get one?
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 10:17:04 AM EDT
Did you have to strenghten the engine or anything. I had a 92 Olds Cutlass Cruiser with the 231CID V6, it spun a bearing, and broke the shaft for the distributor that is run by the cam.
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 12:59:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/28/2005 4:42:33 PM EDT
I liked those cars a lot. So quiet. I drove a friends once and it did 12.56 1/4. the only mods were more air in(ram air dam) and more air out(better pipes and headers) and computer stuff. BONE STOCK THESE CARS ARE ZERO TO SIXTY IN 6 SEC EVEN AND 14.2 1/4 MILE. The problem in N.Y. is everyone says they didn't drive it in the winter time and then I went to look at 10 one summer and every one had rust under it or in the trunk. So I never bought one. Now everyone thinks they are worth $20,000 with 100,000 miles. So it looks like I will never get one. I'm not paying that much money. Thats a great find and good luck down the 1/4 mile.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:31:45 AM EDT
What did that turbo eat to break off the fins on the turbine wheel? THat is a downer, as the turbine wheels are about 200 bucks or so to replace. At least you can do it yourself if you want to save some good money.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 6:38:03 AM EDT
That is hella fast and very nice car. Sleeper unless you know what it is
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 4:23:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 4:24:14 PM EDT by tisfortexas]
Art , you might like this Cummins powered Ford F350 crew cab that weighs 7500 pounds running
11.42 118mph.
http://www.wanzekracing.com/Videos/F350Run.wmv
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 5:57:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tisfortexas:
Art , you might like this Cummins powered Ford F350 crew cab that weighs 7500 pounds running
11.42 118mph.
http://www.wanzekracing.com/Videos/F350Run.wmv




Isnt boost great?
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 10:58:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By killingmachine123:
What did that turbo eat to break off the fins on the turbine wheel? THat is a downer, as the turbine wheels are about 200 bucks or so to replace. At least you can do it yourself if you want to save some good money.



Make sure you get it balanced!

`Nice car. Definitely a sleeper.

I've ALWAYS wanted one of those. There's a couple local guys who have GN/T types. I love the interior. They're so '70s...

Jason
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 6:47:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JasonFRC:

Originally Posted By killingmachine123:
What did that turbo eat to break off the fins on the turbine wheel? THat is a downer, as the turbine wheels are about 200 bucks or so to replace. At least you can do it yourself if you want to save some good money.



Make sure you get it balanced!




No kidding. Nothing like having the work and money go down the drain in a couple thousand miles. Unless you get super lucky of course.
Link Posted: 9/30/2005 7:02:54 PM EDT
Already shipped the turbo back to Limit Engineering. (That's who first built it.)
Just waiting for a call from them with an estimate. I'm expecting it to be $500-$600.

I believe the fins broke as a result of thermal fatigue. I recently learned of a lean fuel problem, that was compounded when I used the nitrous. Now that I have the fuel problem identified and under control, I will be able to run it a little harder.

I have no doubt there is a 10-sec timeslip in this thing as it sits.
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