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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:16:39 PM EDT
I have no clue what kind of powder this stuff is, is there anything I can do with this other then just burn it?
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:18:24 PM EDT
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use it as fertilizer
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:19:50 PM EDT
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Just sprinkle it out over the yard somewhere. Don't burn it or flush it.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:20:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: use it as fertilizer Yup. Or blow up your cannon and make noise. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:22:33 PM EDT
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spreading it on the yard is all I can think of. No good way to do anything else with it that is safe.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:22:43 PM EDT
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Attach the bucket to a leaf blower using Bernoulli principles to blow it into a cloud past a lit propane torch.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:24:14 PM EDT
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If you have no idea what it is then you have a couple of options as I see it. One is to burn it in small quantities. Two is to use it as fertilizer. It's got lots of nitrate in it and I understand it does pretty good.
Not sure I'd try it in a cannon since black powder and smokless are very different in terms of burn rate. BP is classed as an explosive if I remember correctly while SP is just highly flamable. I would definitely NOT use it for propellant purposes in the cannon. Too bad you do t know what it is. That's a nice stock of powder. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:26:05 PM EDT
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I have no clue what kind of powder this stuff is, is there anything I can do with this other then just burn it? We have a homemade cannon that is for noise making purposes, could I use this instead of black powder? Good Jesus, what is it with people wanting to blow themselves by using smokeless power in homade cannons today? No, blackpower only for cannons and other BP arms and munitions. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:30:58 PM EDT
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I keep mine sealed up in threaded iron pipes just to be safe.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:32:51 PM EDT
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Where did you get this powder?––maybe you could find an answer there
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:34:04 PM EDT
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Does it not have any labels?
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:34:49 PM EDT
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Put a fuse in the jug, light, and run?
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:35:43 PM EDT
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If you have no idea what it is then you have a couple of options as I see it. One is to burn it in small quantities. Two is to use it as fertilizer. It's got lots of nitrate in it and I understand it does pretty good. Not sure I'd try it in a cannon since black powder and smokless are very different in terms of burn rate. BP is classed as an explosive if I remember correctly while SP is just highly flamable. I would definitely NOT use it for propellant purposes in the cannon. Too bad you do t know what it is. That's a nice stock of powder. I've tried to figure it out but Saint Mark's powder is reluctant to tell me what it is because of liability reasons.
It says NET 40 which i think means it originally was 40lbs, its half full so I might have 30lbs worth. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:37:40 PM EDT
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Stuff some steel wool into a light socket. Pour in some powder. Plug in light from far away.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:38:15 PM EDT
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Where did you get this powder?––maybe you could find an answer there I got it from relatives in NY state. My father;s uncle up there reloaded. They gave me a bunch of his stuff when he died over a year ago. I've got a ton of reloading books that are30+ years old but nothing that mentions this powder he had |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:44:36 PM EDT
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Where did you get this powder?––maybe you could find an answer there I got it from relatives in NY state. My father;s uncle up there reloaded. They gave me a bunch of his stuff when he died over a year ago. I've got a ton of reloading books that are30+ years old but nothing that mentions this powder he had Did he keep notes? I'd think that would have to be his pet load for him to have bought 40 lbs of pistol powder. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:48:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: We have a homemade cannon that is for noise making purposes, could I use this instead of black powder? Sure if you want to win a Darwin award. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:49:11 PM EDT
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Dump powder down storm drain. Then set container out on street corner in downtown area. Wait nearby for entertainment.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:49:28 PM EDT
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Whatever you do, DO NOT use this in a cannon as a replacement for black powder.
You won't like the results. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:50:31 PM EDT
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Quoted: I keep mine sealed up in threaded iron pipes just to be safe.  |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:50:57 PM EDT
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Whatever you do, DO NOT use this in a cannon as a replacement for black powder. You won't like the results. How would a half cup of it as fire starter be for camping? |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:51:02 PM EDT
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I keep mine sealed up in threaded iron pipes just to be safe. This how the professionals do it. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:52:44 PM EDT
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Whatever you do, DO NOT use this in a cannon as a replacement for black powder. You won't like the results. How would a half cup of it as fire starter be for camping? As long as it is not confined (that is, in the open) it should not be a problem. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:56:03 PM EDT
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When I called saint mark's powder they said its definitely a pistol powder, they said they couldn't give me any load info because each lot varies.
I just found out that wideners used to sell a surplus powder called SM226, now the stuff I have is marked SMP 226. This is the load data wideners supplied LINK 9mm 5.7gr 115gr FMJ 1145 fps Win/Win SP Glock 19 40 S&W 6.4gr 180gr FP Horn 1000 fps Fed/Wolf SP Glock 22 45 ACP 7.4gr 230 JHP Horn 845 fps Rem/Rem SP Colt 1911 It is almost $400 worth of powder but I still don't want to risk one of my guns. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:58:22 PM EDT
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I would try and combine it with something else to make reactive targets. A small amount of tannerite, smaller than a normal reactive target, backed up with your powder to enhance the explosion.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:58:37 PM EDT
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Oops, Double tap
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Posted: 12/14/2010 12:58:46 PM EDT
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When I called saint mark's powder they said its definitely a pistol powder, they said they couldn't give me any load info because each lot varies. I just found out that wideners used to sell a surplus powder called SM226, now the stuff I have is marked SMP 226. This is the load data wideners supplied LINK 9mm 5.7gr 115gr FMJ 1145 fps Win/Win SP Glock 19 40 S&W 6.4gr 180gr FP Horn 1000 fps Fed/Wolf SP Glock 22 45 ACP 7.4gr 230 JHP Horn 845 fps Rem/Rem SP Colt 1911 It is almost $400 worth of powder but I still don't want to risk one of my guns. Ship it to me. I'll use it. Just have to build up a load with it. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:01:24 PM EDT
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If you know it's pistol powder why don't you just work up some loads with it?
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:02:17 PM EDT
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It looks like it might be Hodgdons as the original manufacturer manufactured for Hodgdons. Go here and do a text search for smp 226.
http://www.hsl.gov.uk/centres-of-excellence/explosives-notified-body/ec-type-certificates-issued-full-details.aspx |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:02:39 PM EDT
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I just called wideners and they said they believe the SM 226 was Saint Mark's....Interesting. But they said theirs didnt come in brown 40lb containers.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:04:42 PM EDT
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. As long as it is not confined (that is, in the open) it should not be a problem. <Cringe> I used to collect the powder from pulled rounds into a bag. I dumped about 100 rounds of surplus 7.62x25 into the bag (primers in the beriden rounds were bad - I saved the pulled bullets). All told it was about half a cup of this powder, and maybe another 1/4 cup of some H322 and HS-6 pulled from bad reloads. Mostly pistol powder. I was stupid enough to put it on a paint can lid in the back yard and flick a match onto it. What I did NOT expect was a flame some 12-15' high!  Sure some nice sparks were thrown off into the grass - but the flame was HUGE much larger than I ever expected. I would not use it to start campfires.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:06:28 PM EDT
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Ship it to me. I'll use it. Just have to build up a load with it.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:07:28 PM EDT
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It looks like it might be Hodgdons as the original manufacturer manufactured for Hodgdons. Go here and do a text search for smp 226. http://www.hsl.gov.uk/centres-of-excellence/explosives-notified-body/ec-type-certificates-issued-full-details.aspx I suck at searching, the only thing coming up is "amp". On the side of the container it says Saint Mark's Powder. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:10:18 PM EDT
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DAMN that powder would go a LONG way for me!
OP––how can you be sure what's in there is what's on the label? I thought too that powder was limited to 8lbs max for comm'l sale? I could very well be wrong though.... |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:12:46 PM EDT
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DAMN that powder would go a LONG way for me!
OP––how can you be sure what's in there is what's on the label? I thought too that powder was limited to 8lbs max for comm'l sale? I could very well be wrong though.... No clue, but the powder looks like pistol powder. Small little disks. I also burned a bunch of different powders. It burned just like the pistol powder i had, bulls eye. I havent gone through 1lb of pistol powder in 14 months, this stuff would last me a lifetime. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:13:27 PM EDT
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It looks like it might be Hodgdons as the original manufacturer manufactured for Hodgdons. Go here and do a text search for smp 226. http://www.hsl.gov.uk/centres-of-excellence/explosives-notified-body/ec-type-certificates-issued-full-details.aspx I suck at searching, the only thing coming up is "amp". On the side of the container it says Saint Mark's Powder. I just click on the link, hit ctrl-f, and type smp 226. Comes right up. The more research I'm doing on this, it looks like St. Marks is the manufacturer for most powder companies. SMP 224 is sold as Winchester AutoComp for example. Hodgdons H110 and Win 296 are the same powder, produced by St. Marks. Looks like the only way to find out is to get St. Marks to tell you who they produced it for. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:17:44 PM EDT
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I accumulated about 50 pounds of various powders, most of it was antique, unopened powder still sealed from the 60's. Whoever owned it had written the date purchased on each container. Little square cans of shotgun and pistol powder, 1 pound cardboard containers of rifle powder, glavanized 5 pound containers...all kinds of shit. Most of them were well marked and labelled with prices and even the name of the store or gun show written on the bottom. Anal retentive guy i guess. Anyway, since i had gotten it for free, and had no way of knowing how it was stored or if some of it had been mixed or whatever, I used it by pouring out long trails around the road and driveway and lighting it for the kids to watch on the 4th of July. Something mesmerizing about watching 100 or more feet of powder burn.
I still have a few pounds for this coming New Years celebration. Kinda sad to see a $2.35 price tag on a pound of powder. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:20:30 PM EDT
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. As long as it is not confined (that is, in the open) it should not be a problem. <Cringe> Back when I used to teach a gun course to Scouts, I put a small amount ( less than a teaspoon) of black powder on the sidewalk and an equal amount of smokeless powder in another pile. I would light the smokeless, which would burn quickly. Then I would light the black, and it would make a big "Whoosh" sound and produce lots of fire and smoke. Always made them take a step backwards. Small amounts are safe. I would not light a big pile of any powder. 
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:21:55 PM EDT
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Had a similiar situation. I traded a guy a used mauser for a whole box full of reloading supplies about 50 lbs of differnt power, about 5k of shotgun primers, and the can that sealed the deal, was a huge can maybe 12 lb size of Red dot. I knew I could use this for shotgun reloading, so I jumped on the deal. I got home, and all was awesome there was even more in the box then I anticipated, but the red dot was not red dot. I still dont know what it is. There were no red flakes in the powder. I still have this huge metal can in my powder collection. I am very interested in ideas of what to do with it.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:22:54 PM EDT
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Hodgden can do suck a dick.
Called them and asked about it. Me- "Hi I'm and looking for information about a powder, SMP 226 to be exact. Guy "That is an OEM powder" Me- "Do you know if its a pistol of rifle powder?" Guy- No that is an OEM powder Me- "Is there any way to get any info on this powder?" Guy "Whoever sold that to you shouldn't have" Me " Ok thanks" Guy "CLICK" What an ass, didn't even say bye 
Now that I think about it the guy at Saint Mark's Powder must have slipped and told me too much when he said it was for pistols, mainly 9mm. He told me if I gave him the person's name who received it he could look up the info on it. But after that he never responded back. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:23:45 PM EDT
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Back when I used to teach a gun course to Scouts, I put a small amount ( less than a teaspoon) of black powder on the sidewalk and an equal amount of smokeless powder in another pile. I would light the smokeless, which would burn quickly. Then I would light the black, and it would make a big "Whoosh" sound and produce lots of fire and smoke. Always made them take a step backwards. Small amounts are safe. I would not light a big pile of any powder.
Sounds like the demos Fight4YourRights used to do. Agreed - small amounts - like a teaspoon might be ok, but not a half cup as was asked. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:27:20 PM EDT
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Hodgden can do suck a dick. Called them and asked about it. Me- "Hi I'm and looking for information about a powder, SMP 226 to be exact. Guy "That is an OEM powder" Me- "Do you know if its a pistol of rifle powder?" Guy- No that is an OEM powder Me- "Is there any way to get any info on this powder?" Guy "Whoever sold that to you shouldn't have" Me " Ok thanks" Guy "CLICK" What an ass, didn't even say bye
Now that I think about it the guy at Saint Mark's Powder must have slipped and told me too much when he said it was for pistols, mainly 9mm. He told me if I gave him the person's name who received it he could look up the info on it. But after that he never responded back. I was thinking he got that container like a comm'l mfg would have........NOT for home use? |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:29:21 PM EDT
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I was thinking he got that container like a comm'l mfg would have........NOT for home use? Well from what I hear from my father and grandfather, my relatives in New York State dont exactly play by the normal rules
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:29:54 PM EDT
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Hodgden can do suck a dick. Hodgdon did exactly what any responsible manufacturer should have done. He doesn't know what is in your container and he should not give you any loading information. Doing so would be stupid. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:31:15 PM EDT
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Hodgden can do suck a dick. Hodgdon did exactly what any responsible manufacturer should have done. He doesn't know what is in your container and he should not give you any loading information. Doing so would be stupid. I didnt ask for load information. My dialogue cannot relay this assholes tone or attitude, unfortunately. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:31:41 PM EDT
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I would like to have it. I would find a use for it. I have bought surplus powder before; you just have to find its burning rate by experimentation and work from there.
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:38:45 PM EDT
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dude just work up a load
start with 2.5gr or 3gr behind a 9mm 115gr and find out whats up THAT is the responsible thing to do
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:48:28 PM EDT
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Man, get a cheap gun, a chronograph and figure out a safe way to work up a load. Unless there was some sort of physical indicator that this powder was no longer good, that's what I would do.
ETA...If you haven't already, you might also want to post or link to this in the reloading forum. Lots of smart people in there. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 1:53:53 PM EDT
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I did months ago but everyone was as clueless as I.
If anything I will use my father's Hi- Point 9mm. There is a video on you tube were guys put 10+ grains of bulls eye with a 124gr bullet and it runs fine. |
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Posted: 12/14/2010 2:11:44 PM EDT
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There's absolutely no reason not to burn it. A mess of powder like that in a clay flowerpot would produce a good ~30 foot high flame of goodness
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Posted: 12/14/2010 2:13:20 PM EDT
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There's absolutely no reason not to burn it. A mess of powder like that in a clay flowerpot would produce a good ~30 foot high flame of goodness
Edit- I live not even 15 miles away from where this powder was made. Small world 
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