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Posted: 5/2/2011 12:00:14 PM EDT
Who gets it?

Will it end up on gunbroker?
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:01:17 PM EDT
probably end up in the basement of the national archives
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:01:43 PM EDT
Pawn Stars will give someone, like, five bucks for it, seriously.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:02:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
Pawn Stars will give someone, like, five bucks for it, seriously.


do you have any paperwork with it?
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:02:31 PM EDT



Originally Posted By TrojanMan:


Pawn Stars will give someone, like, five bucks for it, seriously.


...if they know a professional who's into OBL's Krinks.



 
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:02:58 PM EDT
Well it would have to be permanently de-milled before it entered the US. For the children's sake.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:03:14 PM EDT



Originally Posted By TrojanMan:


Pawn Stars will give someone, like, five bucks for it, seriously.


Rick: Unfortunately my expert in terrorist krinks was recently killed, so the best I can do is offer you $5.



 
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:03:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Who gets it?

Will it end up on gunbroker?


Should it be in the Smithsonian if our guys get it?
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:04:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
Well it would have to be permanently de-milled before it entered the US. For the children's sake.


Sadam's g18 wasnt.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:04:12 PM EDT



Originally Posted By metalsaber:





Originally Posted By TrojanMan:

Pawn Stars will give someone, like, five bucks for it, seriously.


Rick: Unfortunately my expert in terrorist krinks was recently killed, so the best I can do is offer you $5.

 




 
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:07:29 PM EDT
I was so surprised when I read this article in the Washington Post of all places.





Dressed To Kill


From Kabul to Kandahar, It's Not Who You Are That Matters, but What You Shoot






By Stephen Hunter


Washington Post Staff Writer


Monday, November 26, 2001; Page C01



You won't see guns like that carried by the Taliban, no sir. Look at
Osama bin Laden's gun. It's visible in any of a dozen pictures and it's
tubeless, screenless and grenade-launcherless. But it, too, is not only a
gun. It's a gun with a coded message; you can read this guy like a
book.





He's certainly no Captain Winters from HBO's "Band of Brothers," who,
despite his natural genius for soldiering, insisted on carrying the line
soldier's prosaic M1 all the way to Berchtesgarten. No, bin Laden's
narcissism –– dead giveaway to a fake tough guy –– mandates that he make
a fashion statement.





Any idiot knows that was an AK-47 leaning against the cave wall behind
bin Laden during his videotaped response to the American bombing. Yes,
the AK-47, the most famous of the liberation firearms distributed
globally by the Soviet Union and its client states during the Cold War.
There may be 50 million of them floating around the globe today.





Except it wasn't. But if you're one of the idiots, don't feel bad; you
belong with the other 99.9 percent of the population that doesn't know
anything about guns. Bin Laden's rifle wasn't an AK-47 at all, but one
of its descendants, an AK-74, and of a particular modification that
included, for portability and ease of handling, a very short barrel and a
folding skeletonized stock and a flash suppressor. It's called a
Krinkov.





It's actually a hybrid. If you crossed a classic 7.62mm x 39 Soviet
AK-47 with an American 5.56mm NATO M4, its natural antagonist in about a
million firefights in about 75 wars, insurrections and special-ops
tiffs, you'd get the AK-74, which is the AK-47 mechanism reconfigured to
fire the smaller-caliber, high-velocity round. Then you trick it up; by
cutting the barrel and adding that folding stock, you get a Krinkov,
which is the current hot lick among people who want to be noticed. It
was designed for airborne troops. If you're not going to be jumping out
of airplanes, it doesn't do anything for you that the 47 won't.





Bin Laden knows this: For him the gun isn't just a weapon, it's a
symbol. He's making a statement, as with the curved ceremonial dagger
that hangs from his belt when he's all duded-up in his white finery. He
is making a claim: I am of the elite. In other words, he is saying
something so Western it suggests the soul-deep depth of his hypocrisy.
He is saying: I am so cool.



http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-218439.html
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:10:13 PM EDT
I think Stephen Hunter knows a thing or two about guns
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:11:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
Pawn Stars will give someone, like, five bucks for it, seriously.


do you have any paperwork with it?


In original condition, these would go for $20,000 easy.  Here's the problem.  See this green tape right here?  Obviously whoever had this before you tried to restore it and in the process have seriously hurt the value.  The highest I could go is $350.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:13:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By woodsie:
Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
Pawn Stars will give someone, like, five bucks for it, seriously.


do you have any paperwork with it?


In original condition, these would go for $20,000 easy.  Here's the problem.  See this green tape right here?  Obviously whoever had this before you tried to restore it and in the process have seriously hurt the value.  The highest I could go is $350.  $5


Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:13:58 PM EDT
The producers of Sons of Guns will buy it and have Red Jacket pimp it in some ungodly way.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:14:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By woodsie:
Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
Pawn Stars will give someone, like, five bucks for it, seriously.


do you have any paperwork with it?


In original condition, these would go for $20,000 easy.  Here's the problem.  See this green tape right here?  Obviously whoever had this before you tried to restore it and in the process have seriously hurt the value.  The highest I could go is $350.


They also scraped off all the natural patina while crawling around in caves. Its historic value is shot.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:17:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By far_right:
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
Well it would have to be permanently de-milled before it entered the US. For the children's sake.


Sadam's g18 wasnt.


yeah the d boys gave it to GWB for the win!!!!!!
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:19:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raven:
I was so surprised when I read this article in the Washington Post of all places.


Dressed To Kill
From Kabul to Kandahar, It's Not Who You Are That Matters, but What You Shoot

By Stephen Hunter
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 26, 2001; Page C01

You won't see guns like that carried by the Taliban, no sir. Look at Osama bin Laden's gun. It's visible in any of a dozen pictures and it's tubeless, screenless and grenade-launcherless. But it, too, is not only a gun. It's a gun with a coded message; you can read this guy like a book.

He's certainly no Captain Winters from HBO's "Band of Brothers," who, despite his natural genius for soldiering, insisted on carrying the line soldier's prosaic M1 all the way to Berchtesgarten. No, bin Laden's narcissism –– dead giveaway to a fake tough guy –– mandates that he make a fashion statement.

Any idiot knows that was an AK-47 leaning against the cave wall behind bin Laden during his videotaped response to the American bombing. Yes, the AK-47, the most famous of the liberation firearms distributed globally by the Soviet Union and its client states during the Cold War. There may be 50 million of them floating around the globe today.

Except it wasn't. But if you're one of the idiots, don't feel bad; you belong with the other 99.9 percent of the population that doesn't know anything about guns. Bin Laden's rifle wasn't an AK-47 at all, but one of its descendants, an AK-74, and of a particular modification that included, for portability and ease of handling, a very short barrel and a folding skeletonized stock and a flash suppressor. It's called a Krinkov.

It's actually a hybrid. If you crossed a classic 7.62mm x 39 Soviet AK-47 with an American 5.56mm NATO M4, its natural antagonist in about a million firefights in about 75 wars, insurrections and special-ops tiffs, you'd get the AK-74, which is the AK-47 mechanism reconfigured to fire the smaller-caliber, high-velocity round. Then you trick it up; by cutting the barrel and adding that folding stock, you get a Krinkov, which is the current hot lick among people who want to be noticed. It was designed for airborne troops. If you're not going to be jumping out of airplanes, it doesn't do anything for you that the 47 won't.

Bin Laden knows this: For him the gun isn't just a weapon, it's a symbol. He's making a statement, as with the curved ceremonial dagger that hangs from his belt when he's all duded-up in his white finery. He is making a claim: I am of the elite. In other words, he is saying something so Western it suggests the soul-deep depth of his hypocrisy. He is saying: I am so cool.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-218439.html


Yep, he's cool... what's the temperature of the Northern Arabian Sea?
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:23:19 PM EDT



Originally Posted By DDiggler:



Originally Posted By raven:

I was so surprised when I read this article in the Washington Post of all places.





Dressed To Kill

From Kabul to Kandahar, It's Not Who You Are That Matters, but What You Shoot



By Stephen Hunter

Washington Post Staff Writer

Monday, November 26, 2001; Page C01



You won't see guns like that carried by the Taliban, no sir. Look at Osama bin Laden's gun. It's visible in any of a dozen pictures and it's tubeless, screenless and grenade-launcherless. But it, too, is not only a gun. It's a gun with a coded message; you can read this guy like a book.



He's certainly no Captain Winters from HBO's "Band of Brothers," who, despite his natural genius for soldiering, insisted on carrying the line soldier's prosaic M1 all the way to Berchtesgarten. No, bin Laden's narcissism –– dead giveaway to a fake tough guy –– mandates that he make a fashion statement.



Any idiot knows that was an AK-47 leaning against the cave wall behind bin Laden during his videotaped response to the American bombing. Yes, the AK-47, the most famous of the liberation firearms distributed globally by the Soviet Union and its client states during the Cold War. There may be 50 million of them floating around the globe today.



Except it wasn't. But if you're one of the idiots, don't feel bad; you belong with the other 99.9 percent of the population that doesn't know anything about guns. Bin Laden's rifle wasn't an AK-47 at all, but one of its descendants, an AK-74, and of a particular modification that included, for portability and ease of handling, a very short barrel and a folding skeletonized stock and a flash suppressor. It's called a Krinkov.



It's actually a hybrid. If you crossed a classic 7.62mm x 39 Soviet AK-47 with an American 5.56mm NATO M4, its natural antagonist in about a million firefights in about 75 wars, insurrections and special-ops tiffs, you'd get the AK-74, which is the AK-47 mechanism reconfigured to fire the smaller-caliber, high-velocity round. Then you trick it up; by cutting the barrel and adding that folding stock, you get a Krinkov, which is the current hot lick among people who want to be noticed. It was designed for airborne troops. If you're not going to be jumping out of airplanes, it doesn't do anything for you that the 47 won't.



Bin Laden knows this: For him the gun isn't just a weapon, it's a symbol. He's making a statement, as with the curved ceremonial dagger that hangs from his belt when he's all duded-up in his white finery. He is making a claim: I am of the elite. In other words, he is saying something so Western it suggests the soul-deep depth of his hypocrisy. He is saying: I am so cool.



http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-218439.html




Yep, he's cool... what's the temperature of the Northern Arabian Sea?
Far less than 87 degrees I would think.





 
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:35:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raven:
I was so surprised when I read this article in the Washington Post of all places.


Dressed To Kill
From Kabul to Kandahar, It's Not Who You Are That Matters, but What You Shoot

By Stephen Hunter
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 26, 2001; Page C01

You won't see guns like that carried by the Taliban, no sir. Look at Osama bin Laden's gun. It's visible in any of a dozen pictures and it's tubeless, screenless and grenade-launcherless. But it, too, is not only a gun. It's a gun with a coded message; you can read this guy like a book.

He's certainly no Captain Winters from HBO's "Band of Brothers," who, despite his natural genius for soldiering, insisted on carrying the line soldier's prosaic M1 all the way to Berchtesgarten. No, bin Laden's narcissism –– dead giveaway to a fake tough guy –– mandates that he make a fashion statement.

Any idiot knows that was an AK-47 leaning against the cave wall behind bin Laden during his videotaped response to the American bombing. Yes, the AK-47, the most famous of the liberation firearms distributed globally by the Soviet Union and its client states during the Cold War. There may be 50 million of them floating around the globe today.

Except it wasn't. But if you're one of the idiots, don't feel bad; you belong with the other 99.9 percent of the population that doesn't know anything about guns. Bin Laden's rifle wasn't an AK-47 at all, but one of its descendants, an AK-74, and of a particular modification that included, for portability and ease of handling, a very short barrel and a folding skeletonized stock and a flash suppressor. It's called a Krinkov.

It's actually a hybrid. If you crossed a classic 7.62mm x 39 Soviet AK-47 with an American 5.56mm NATO M4, its natural antagonist in about a million firefights in about 75 wars, insurrections and special-ops tiffs, you'd get the AK-74, which is the AK-47 mechanism reconfigured to fire the smaller-caliber, high-velocity round. Then you trick it up; by cutting the barrel and adding that folding stock, you get a Krinkov, which is the current hot lick among people who want to be noticed. It was designed for airborne troops. If you're not going to be jumping out of airplanes, it doesn't do anything for you that the 47 won't.

Bin Laden knows this: For him the gun isn't just a weapon, it's a symbol. He's making a statement, as with the curved ceremonial dagger that hangs from his belt when he's all duded-up in his white finery. He is making a claim: I am of the elite. In other words, he is saying something so Western it suggests the soul-deep depth of his hypocrisy. He is saying: I am so cool.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-218439.html

This guy knows
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:35:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Originally Posted By far_right:
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
Well it would have to be permanently de-milled before it entered the US. For the children's sake.


Sadam's g18 wasnt.


yeah the d boys gave it to GWB for the win!!!!!!


I bet it's going to the SEAL Museum.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:37:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ex_dsmr:
Originally Posted By woodsie:
Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
Pawn Stars will give someone, like, five bucks for it, seriously.


do you have any paperwork with it?


In original condition, these would go for $20,000 easy.  Here's the problem.  See this green tape right here?  Obviously whoever had this before you tried to restore it and in the process have seriously hurt the value.  The highest I could go is $350.


They also scraped off all the natural patina while crawling around in caves. Its historic value is shot.


@ green tape.  You guys crack me up.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:46:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
probably end up in the basement of the national archives


I doubt they brought it back. Well, maybe.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:48:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:51:29 PM EDT



Originally Posted By ex_dsmr:



Originally Posted By woodsie:


Originally Posted By Billmanweh:


Originally Posted By TrojanMan:

Pawn Stars will give someone, like, five bucks for it, seriously.




do you have any paperwork with it?




In original condition, these would go for $20,000 easy.  Here's the problem.  See this green tape right here?  Obviously whoever had this before you tried to restore it and in the process have seriously hurt the value.  The highest I could go is $350.




They also scraped off all the natural patina while crawling around in caves. Its historic value is shot.


That's RETAIL. It's not like I have a stream of buyers coming in asking for OBL's krink, you know?  It's going to sit around until someone buys it,  and I've got to spend money removing the green tape and pictures of women's eyes, and try to make some money on it too.  I'll go $360 and not a dime higher.



 
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:52:52 PM EDT



Originally Posted By Badass03:



Originally Posted By raven:

I was so surprised when I read this article in the Washington Post of all places.





Dressed To Kill

From Kabul to Kandahar, It's Not Who You Are That Matters, but What You Shoot



By Stephen Hunter

Washington Post Staff Writer

Monday, November 26, 2001; Page C01



You won't see guns like that carried by the Taliban, no sir. Look at Osama bin Laden's gun. It's visible in any of a dozen pictures and it's tubeless, screenless and grenade-launcherless. But it, too, is not only a gun. It's a gun with a coded message; you can read this guy like a book.



He's certainly no Captain Winters from HBO's "Band of Brothers," who, despite his natural genius for soldiering, insisted on carrying the line soldier's prosaic M1 all the way to Berchtesgarten. No, bin Laden's narcissism –– dead giveaway to a fake tough guy –– mandates that he make a fashion statement.



Any idiot knows that was an AK-47 leaning against the cave wall behind bin Laden during his videotaped response to the American bombing. Yes, the AK-47, the most famous of the liberation firearms distributed globally by the Soviet Union and its client states during the Cold War. There may be 50 million of them floating around the globe today.



Except it wasn't. But if you're one of the idiots, don't feel bad; you belong with the other 99.9 percent of the population that doesn't know anything about guns. Bin Laden's rifle wasn't an AK-47 at all, but one of its descendants, an AK-74, and of a particular modification that included, for portability and ease of handling, a very short barrel and a folding skeletonized stock and a flash suppressor. It's called a Krinkov.



It's actually a hybrid. If you crossed a classic 7.62mm x 39 Soviet AK-47 with an American 5.56mm NATO M4, its natural antagonist in about a million firefights in about 75 wars, insurrections and special-ops tiffs, you'd get the AK-74, which is the AK-47 mechanism reconfigured to fire the smaller-caliber, high-velocity round. Then you trick it up; by cutting the barrel and adding that folding stock, you get a Krinkov, which is the current hot lick among people who want to be noticed. It was designed for airborne troops. If you're not going to be jumping out of airplanes, it doesn't do anything for you that the 47 won't.



Bin Laden knows this: For him the gun isn't just a weapon, it's a symbol. He's making a statement, as with the curved ceremonial dagger that hangs from his belt when he's all duded-up in his white finery. He is making a claim: I am of the elite. In other words, he is saying something so Western it suggests the soul-deep depth of his hypocrisy. He is saying: I am so cool.



http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-218439.html


This guy knows

and i just learned something new today.

 
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:53:29 PM EDT
That's where it belongs if it was recovered

Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Originally Posted By far_right:
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
Well it would have to be permanently de-milled before it entered the US. For the children's sake.


Sadam's g18 wasnt.


yeah the d boys gave it to GWB for the win!!!!!!


I bet it's going to the SEAL Museum.


Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:53:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Partisan:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Who gets it?

Will it end up on gunbroker?


Should it be in the Smithsonian if our guys get it?


It should be hung on the wall at McP's.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:53:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By raven:
I was so surprised when I read this article in the Washington Post of all places.


Dressed To Kill
From Kabul to Kandahar, It's Not Who You Are That Matters, but What You Shoot


You're kidding?

 


just because the byline ID's Hunter as a WaPo Staff Writer doesn't mean it's obvious to everybody.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:54:29 PM EDT



Originally Posted By damcv62:



Originally Posted By Billmanweh:

probably end up in the basement of the national archives




I doubt they brought it back. Well, maybe.


I bet they did since they probably tore the compound apart looking for intel. Question is will it be presented to Obama or Bush



 
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:54:37 PM EDT



Originally Posted By Aimless:





Originally Posted By raven:

I was so surprised when I read this article in the Washington Post of all places.





Dressed To Kill

From Kabul to Kandahar, It's Not Who You Are That Matters, but What You Shoot





You're kidding?



 


Stephen Hunter surprisingly still writes for WaPo occasionally.

Here is a more recent article by him:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/04/AR2011020406709.html





 
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:55:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/2/2011 12:55:53 PM EDT by Miles_Urbanus]
Some of the stock photos of him with his AK-74SU looks like it has a longer magazine. Possibly a 45 rnd RPK-74 magazine? Handguards look worn as hell.









Burn in hell dirtbag.




 
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:58:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 1:03:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
Some of the stock photos of him with his AK-74SU looks like it has a longer magazine. Possibly a 45 rnd RPK-74 magazine? Handguards look worn as hell.

<a href="http://img197.imageshack.us/i/osamabinladent.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/511/osamabinladent.jpg</a>

Burn in hell dirtbag.
 


I read somewhere that it is a 45rd AG4 mag.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 1:04:35 PM EDT


BHO presidential library

Link Posted: 5/2/2011 1:14:35 PM EDT



Originally Posted By ex_dsmr:



Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:

Some of the stock photos of him with his AK-74SU looks like it has a longer magazine. Possibly a 45 rnd RPK-74 magazine? Handguards look worn as hell.



<a href="http://img197.imageshack.us/i/osamabinladent.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/511/osamabinladent.jpg</a>



Burn in hell dirtbag.

 




I read somewhere that it is a 45rd AG4 mag.


Ah yes AG-4 aka Bakelite.



 
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 5:12:40 PM EDT
Same exact title? Come on..
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 5:34:19 PM EDT
It was designed for airborne troops. If you're not going to be jumping out of airplanes, it doesn't do anything for you that the 47 won't.



Except it is lighter, more compact, and the ammo is lighter and has less recoil (and therefore is more controlable on FA).  
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 6:55:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DonS:
It was designed for airborne troops. If you're not going to be jumping out of airplanes, it doesn't do anything for you that the 47 won't.



Except it is lighter, more compact, and the ammo is lighter and has less recoil (and therefore is more controlable on FA).  


The radical compinsator design has more to do with the controllability than the cartridge.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 7:05:00 PM EDT
Technically the rifle is an AKS-74U, that's the Soviet and Russian designation.  AK for an AK type rifle, S for folding stock, 74 for the year I believe the year it was introduced into service, and U for the Russian word "ukorochenniy", meaning shortened.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 7:11:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MustardTiger:

Originally Posted By ex_dsmr:
Originally Posted By woodsie:
Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
Pawn Stars will give someone, like, five bucks for it, seriously.


do you have any paperwork with it?


In original condition, these would go for $20,000 easy.  Here's the problem.  See this green tape right here?  Obviously whoever had this before you tried to restore it and in the process have seriously hurt the value.  The highest I could go is $350.


They also scraped off all the natural patina while crawling around in caves. Its historic value is shot.

That's RETAIL. It's not like I have a stream of buyers coming in asking for OBL's krink, you know?  It's going to sit around until someone buys it,  and I've got to spend money removing the green tape and pictures of women's eyes, and try to make some money on it too.  I'll go $360 and not a dime higher.
 


FU*K
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 7:56:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Quick_1911:

Originally Posted By DDiggler:
Originally Posted By raven:
I was so surprised when I read this article in the Washington Post of all places.


Dressed To Kill
From Kabul to Kandahar, It's Not Who You Are That Matters, but What You Shoot

By Stephen Hunter
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 26, 2001; Page C01

You won't see guns like that carried by the Taliban, no sir. Look at Osama bin Laden's gun. It's visible in any of a dozen pictures and it's tubeless, screenless and grenade-launcherless. But it, too, is not only a gun. It's a gun with a coded message; you can read this guy like a book.

He's certainly no Captain Winters from HBO's "Band of Brothers," who, despite his natural genius for soldiering, insisted on carrying the line soldier's prosaic M1 all the way to Berchtesgarten. No, bin Laden's narcissism –– dead giveaway to a fake tough guy –– mandates that he make a fashion statement.

Any idiot knows that was an AK-47 leaning against the cave wall behind bin Laden during his videotaped response to the American bombing. Yes, the AK-47, the most famous of the liberation firearms distributed globally by the Soviet Union and its client states during the Cold War. There may be 50 million of them floating around the globe today.

Except it wasn't. But if you're one of the idiots, don't feel bad; you belong with the other 99.9 percent of the population that doesn't know anything about guns. Bin Laden's rifle wasn't an AK-47 at all, but one of its descendants, an AK-74, and of a particular modification that included, for portability and ease of handling, a very short barrel and a folding skeletonized stock and a flash suppressor. It's called a Krinkov.

It's actually a hybrid. If you crossed a classic 7.62mm x 39 Soviet AK-47 with an American 5.56mm NATO M4, its natural antagonist in about a million firefights in about 75 wars, insurrections and special-ops tiffs, you'd get the AK-74, which is the AK-47 mechanism reconfigured to fire the smaller-caliber, high-velocity round. Then you trick it up; by cutting the barrel and adding that folding stock, you get a Krinkov, which is the current hot lick among people who want to be noticed. It was designed for airborne troops. If you're not going to be jumping out of airplanes, it doesn't do anything for you that the 47 won't.

Bin Laden knows this: For him the gun isn't just a weapon, it's a symbol. He's making a statement, as with the curved ceremonial dagger that hangs from his belt when he's all duded-up in his white finery. He is making a claim: I am of the elite. In other words, he is saying something so Western it suggests the soul-deep depth of his hypocrisy. He is saying: I am so cool.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-218439.html


Yep, he's cool... what's the temperature of the Northern Arabian Sea?
Far less than 87 degrees I would think.

 


At least 15 degrees cooler, depending on the AC.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 8:35:43 PM EDT
Now I want a Krinkov!!    That sounds so cool!
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 9:01:48 PM EDT
I just want to know if we got the Army jacket back. Anyone know?

Rob
Link Posted: 5/3/2011 7:08:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By raven:
I was so surprised when I read this article in the Washington Post of all places.


Dressed To Kill
From Kabul to Kandahar, It's Not Who You Are That Matters, but What You Shoot

By Stephen Hunter
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 26, 2001; Page C01

You won't see guns like that carried by the Taliban, no sir. Look at Osama bin Laden's gun. It's visible in any of a dozen pictures and it's tubeless, screenless and grenade-launcherless. But it, too, is not only a gun. It's a gun with a coded message; you can read this guy like a book.

He's certainly no Captain Winters from HBO's "Band of Brothers," who, despite his natural genius for soldiering, insisted on carrying the line soldier's prosaic M1 all the way to Berchtesgarten. No, bin Laden's narcissism –– dead giveaway to a fake tough guy –– mandates that he make a fashion statement.

Any idiot knows that was an AK-47 leaning against the cave wall behind bin Laden during his videotaped response to the American bombing. Yes, the AK-47, the most famous of the liberation firearms distributed globally by the Soviet Union and its client states during the Cold War. There may be 50 million of them floating around the globe today.

Except it wasn't. But if you're one of the idiots, don't feel bad; you belong with the other 99.9 percent of the population that doesn't know anything about guns. Bin Laden's rifle wasn't an AK-47 at all, but one of its descendants, an AK-74, and of a particular modification that included, for portability and ease of handling, a very short barrel and a folding skeletonized stock and a flash suppressor. It's called a Krinkov.

It's actually a hybrid. If you crossed a classic 7.62mm x 39 Soviet AK-47 with an American 5.56mm NATO M4, its natural antagonist in about a million firefights in about 75 wars, insurrections and special-ops tiffs, you'd get the AK-74, which is the AK-47 mechanism reconfigured to fire the smaller-caliber, high-velocity round. Then you trick it up; by cutting the barrel and adding that folding stock, you get a Krinkov, which is the current hot lick among people who want to be noticed. It was designed for airborne troops. If you're not going to be jumping out of airplanes, it doesn't do anything for you that the 47 won't.

Bin Laden knows this: For him the gun isn't just a weapon, it's a symbol. He's making a statement, as with the curved ceremonial dagger that hangs from his belt when he's all duded-up in his white finery. He is making a claim: I am of the elite. In other words, he is saying something so Western it suggests the soul-deep depth of his hypocrisy. He is saying: I am so cool.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-218439.html


While we Americans know it is as the "Krinkov", the Soviets apparently did not call the AKS74U any such thing.  The term was apparently coined by David Isby back in the '80s when he wrote about it after he saw it for the first time.  Nobody knows the true origin of the name "Krinkov" from the reading I've done on the subject.  

Link Posted: 5/3/2011 7:22:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Originally Posted By DonS:
It was designed for airborne troops. If you're not going to be jumping out of airplanes, it doesn't do anything for you that the 47 won't.



Except it is lighter, more compact, and the ammo is lighter and has less recoil (and therefore is more controlable on FA).  


The radical compinsator design has more to do with the controllability than the cartridge.


Wrong.  The device at the end of the muzzle acts as a "booster" to enhance the reliability of the gas system (complications from using a shorter barrel are a common problem when full-length rifles are redesigned and made more compact).  The conical shape of it is designed to hide "flash" when rounds are fired.

If you were to fire a 5.45 X39mm AK74 series side by side with a 7.62X39mm AK47 or AKM without any muzzle device designed to control muzzle rise, you'd find the AK74 series much easier to control.  The projectile from a 7N6 round weighs in at about half the weight of the older AK47 or AKM.  

Personally, I love the 5.45X39mm AK74.  I hope you get a chance to shoot one if you haven't already.  I believe you are thinking of the standard AK74 muzzle brake that vents gasses to the side and is indeed effective at controling muzzle rise (and also accomplishes making the shooter next to you deaf from the muzzle blast).

The WP article was ok, but the details were, as is usual when dealing with small arms, wrong.    

Link Posted: 5/3/2011 7:25:10 AM EDT
Didnt the Russkies call it Sucha or something like that? supposedly translated to "little bitch"  

Originally Posted By USMCTanker:
Originally Posted By raven:
I was so surprised when I read this article in the Washington Post of all places.


Dressed To Kill
From Kabul to Kandahar, It's Not Who You Are That Matters, but What You Shoot

By Stephen Hunter
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 26, 2001; Page C01

You won't see guns like that carried by the Taliban, no sir. Look at Osama bin Laden's gun. It's visible in any of a dozen pictures and it's tubeless, screenless and grenade-launcherless. But it, too, is not only a gun. It's a gun with a coded message; you can read this guy like a book.

He's certainly no Captain Winters from HBO's "Band of Brothers," who, despite his natural genius for soldiering, insisted on carrying the line soldier's prosaic M1 all the way to Berchtesgarten. No, bin Laden's narcissism –– dead giveaway to a fake tough guy –– mandates that he make a fashion statement.

Any idiot knows that was an AK-47 leaning against the cave wall behind bin Laden during his videotaped response to the American bombing. Yes, the AK-47, the most famous of the liberation firearms distributed globally by the Soviet Union and its client states during the Cold War. There may be 50 million of them floating around the globe today.

Except it wasn't. But if you're one of the idiots, don't feel bad; you belong with the other 99.9 percent of the population that doesn't know anything about guns. Bin Laden's rifle wasn't an AK-47 at all, but one of its descendants, an AK-74, and of a particular modification that included, for portability and ease of handling, a very short barrel and a folding skeletonized stock and a flash suppressor. It's called a Krinkov.

It's actually a hybrid. If you crossed a classic 7.62mm x 39 Soviet AK-47 with an American 5.56mm NATO M4, its natural antagonist in about a million firefights in about 75 wars, insurrections and special-ops tiffs, you'd get the AK-74, which is the AK-47 mechanism reconfigured to fire the smaller-caliber, high-velocity round. Then you trick it up; by cutting the barrel and adding that folding stock, you get a Krinkov, which is the current hot lick among people who want to be noticed. It was designed for airborne troops. If you're not going to be jumping out of airplanes, it doesn't do anything for you that the 47 won't.

Bin Laden knows this: For him the gun isn't just a weapon, it's a symbol. He's making a statement, as with the curved ceremonial dagger that hangs from his belt when he's all duded-up in his white finery. He is making a claim: I am of the elite. In other words, he is saying something so Western it suggests the soul-deep depth of his hypocrisy. He is saying: I am so cool.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-218439.html


While we Americans know it is as the "Krinkov", the Soviets apparently did not call the AKS74U any such thing.  The term was apparently coined by David Isby back in the '80s when he wrote about it after he saw it for the first time.  Nobody knows the true origin of the name "Krinkov" from the reading I've done on the subject.  



Link Posted: 5/3/2011 7:31:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cyclone:
Didnt the Russkies call it Sucha or something like that? supposedly translated to "little bitch"  

Originally Posted By USMCTanker:
Originally Posted By raven:
I was so surprised when I read this article in the Washington Post of all places.


Dressed To Kill
From Kabul to Kandahar, It's Not Who You Are That Matters, but What You Shoot

By Stephen Hunter
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 26, 2001; Page C01

You won't see guns like that carried by the Taliban, no sir. Look at Osama bin Laden's gun. It's visible in any of a dozen pictures and it's tubeless, screenless and grenade-launcherless. But it, too, is not only a gun. It's a gun with a coded message; you can read this guy like a book.

He's certainly no Captain Winters from HBO's "Band of Brothers," who, despite his natural genius for soldiering, insisted on carrying the line soldier's prosaic M1 all the way to Berchtesgarten. No, bin Laden's narcissism –– dead giveaway to a fake tough guy –– mandates that he make a fashion statement.

Any idiot knows that was an AK-47 leaning against the cave wall behind bin Laden during his videotaped response to the American bombing. Yes, the AK-47, the most famous of the liberation firearms distributed globally by the Soviet Union and its client states during the Cold War. There may be 50 million of them floating around the globe today.

Except it wasn't. But if you're one of the idiots, don't feel bad; you belong with the other 99.9 percent of the population that doesn't know anything about guns. Bin Laden's rifle wasn't an AK-47 at all, but one of its descendants, an AK-74, and of a particular modification that included, for portability and ease of handling, a very short barrel and a folding skeletonized stock and a flash suppressor. It's called a Krinkov.

It's actually a hybrid. If you crossed a classic 7.62mm x 39 Soviet AK-47 with an American 5.56mm NATO M4, its natural antagonist in about a million firefights in about 75 wars, insurrections and special-ops tiffs, you'd get the AK-74, which is the AK-47 mechanism reconfigured to fire the smaller-caliber, high-velocity round. Then you trick it up; by cutting the barrel and adding that folding stock, you get a Krinkov, which is the current hot lick among people who want to be noticed. It was designed for airborne troops. If you're not going to be jumping out of airplanes, it doesn't do anything for you that the 47 won't.

Bin Laden knows this: For him the gun isn't just a weapon, it's a symbol. He's making a statement, as with the curved ceremonial dagger that hangs from his belt when he's all duded-up in his white finery. He is making a claim: I am of the elite. In other words, he is saying something so Western it suggests the soul-deep depth of his hypocrisy. He is saying: I am so cool.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-218439.html


While we Americans know it is as the "Krinkov", the Soviets apparently did not call the AKS74U any such thing.  The term was apparently coined by David Isby back in the '80s when he wrote about it after he saw it for the first time.  Nobody knows the true origin of the name "Krinkov" from the reading I've done on the subject.  





Apparently.  I'm not Russian, don't speak the language, wasn't in Afghanistan fighting with them, so the only information I have is what I read-probably from the same sources as you.  

Suchka
Ksyuha
Okurok

Slang names all-kink of like calling the M60 GPMG "pig".

Link Posted: 5/3/2011 7:50:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/3/2011 7:52:22 AM EDT by rockthecasbah]
Originally Posted By cyclone:
Didnt the Russkies call it Sucha or something like that? supposedly translated to "little bitch"  

Originally Posted By USMCTanker:
Originally Posted By raven:
I was so surprised when I read this article in the Washington Post of all places.


Dressed To Kill
From Kabul to Kandahar, It's Not Who You Are That Matters, but What You Shoot

By Stephen Hunter
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 26, 2001; Page C01

You won't see guns like that carried by the Taliban, no sir. Look at Osama bin Laden's gun. It's visible in any of a dozen pictures and it's tubeless, screenless and grenade-launcherless. But it, too, is not only a gun. It's a gun with a coded message; you can read this guy like a book.

He's certainly no Captain Winters from HBO's "Band of Brothers," who, despite his natural genius for soldiering, insisted on carrying the line soldier's prosaic M1 all the way to Berchtesgarten. No, bin Laden's narcissism –– dead giveaway to a fake tough guy –– mandates that he make a fashion statement.

Any idiot knows that was an AK-47 leaning against the cave wall behind bin Laden during his videotaped response to the American bombing. Yes, the AK-47, the most famous of the liberation firearms distributed globally by the Soviet Union and its client states during the Cold War. There may be 50 million of them floating around the globe today.

Except it wasn't. But if you're one of the idiots, don't feel bad; you belong with the other 99.9 percent of the population that doesn't know anything about guns. Bin Laden's rifle wasn't an AK-47 at all, but one of its descendants, an AK-74, and of a particular modification that included, for portability and ease of handling, a very short barrel and a folding skeletonized stock and a flash suppressor. It's called a Krinkov.

It's actually a hybrid. If you crossed a classic 7.62mm x 39 Soviet AK-47 with an American 5.56mm NATO M4, its natural antagonist in about a million firefights in about 75 wars, insurrections and special-ops tiffs, you'd get the AK-74, which is the AK-47 mechanism reconfigured to fire the smaller-caliber, high-velocity round. Then you trick it up; by cutting the barrel and adding that folding stock, you get a Krinkov, which is the current hot lick among people who want to be noticed. It was designed for airborne troops. If you're not going to be jumping out of airplanes, it doesn't do anything for you that the 47 won't.

Bin Laden knows this: For him the gun isn't just a weapon, it's a symbol. He's making a statement, as with the curved ceremonial dagger that hangs from his belt when he's all duded-up in his white finery. He is making a claim: I am of the elite. In other words, he is saying something so Western it suggests the soul-deep depth of his hypocrisy. He is saying: I am so cool.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-218439.html


While we Americans know it is as the "Krinkov", the Soviets apparently did not call the AKS74U any such thing.  The term was apparently coined by David Isby back in the '80s when he wrote about it after he saw it for the first time.  Nobody knows the true origin of the name "Krinkov" from the reading I've done on the subject.  





Don't know for sure, but I've heard it was originally attributed to Pauly Mahoney - a NFA dealer & manufacturer in Florida who was one of the first (if not the first) to start making US made AK receivers.  His shop was called "Krinks" (in Naples, IIRC), and if you look back thorough old issues of Small Arms Review, and its predecessor Machine Gun News you'll find ads from Krinks going back to the early 90's at least.  Its been many years since I've talked to Pauly, and I never asked the origin of the name.  Sure wish I did - he sure was one crazy fucker though...

Link Posted: 5/3/2011 7:53:34 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Billmanweh:


I think Stephen Hunter knows a thing or two about guns


Except that the term "Krinkov" was never used by the Russians and is an American invention.



 
Link Posted: 5/3/2011 8:01:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/3/2011 8:02:52 AM EDT by USMCTanker]
Originally Posted By rockthecasbah:
Originally Posted By cyclone:
Didnt the Russkies call it Sucha or something like that? supposedly translated to "little bitch"  

Originally Posted By USMCTanker:
Originally Posted By raven:
I was so surprised when I read this article in the Washington Post of all places.


Dressed To Kill
From Kabul to Kandahar, It's Not Who You Are That Matters, but What You Shoot

By Stephen Hunter
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 26, 2001; Page C01

You won't see guns like that carried by the Taliban, no sir. Look at Osama bin Laden's gun. It's visible in any of a dozen pictures and it's tubeless, screenless and grenade-launcherless. But it, too, is not only a gun. It's a gun with a coded message; you can read this guy like a book.

He's certainly no Captain Winters from HBO's "Band of Brothers," who, despite his natural genius for soldiering, insisted on carrying the line soldier's prosaic M1 all the way to Berchtesgarten. No, bin Laden's narcissism –– dead giveaway to a fake tough guy –– mandates that he make a fashion statement.

Any idiot knows that was an AK-47 leaning against the cave wall behind bin Laden during his videotaped response to the American bombing. Yes, the AK-47, the most famous of the liberation firearms distributed globally by the Soviet Union and its client states during the Cold War. There may be 50 million of them floating around the globe today.

Except it wasn't. But if you're one of the idiots, don't feel bad; you belong with the other 99.9 percent of the population that doesn't know anything about guns. Bin Laden's rifle wasn't an AK-47 at all, but one of its descendants, an AK-74, and of a particular modification that included, for portability and ease of handling, a very short barrel and a folding skeletonized stock and a flash suppressor. It's called a Krinkov.

It's actually a hybrid. If you crossed a classic 7.62mm x 39 Soviet AK-47 with an American 5.56mm NATO M4, its natural antagonist in about a million firefights in about 75 wars, insurrections and special-ops tiffs, you'd get the AK-74, which is the AK-47 mechanism reconfigured to fire the smaller-caliber, high-velocity round. Then you trick it up; by cutting the barrel and adding that folding stock, you get a Krinkov, which is the current hot lick among people who want to be noticed. It was designed for airborne troops. If you're not going to be jumping out of airplanes, it doesn't do anything for you that the 47 won't.

Bin Laden knows this: For him the gun isn't just a weapon, it's a symbol. He's making a statement, as with the curved ceremonial dagger that hangs from his belt when he's all duded-up in his white finery. He is making a claim: I am of the elite. In other words, he is saying something so Western it suggests the soul-deep depth of his hypocrisy. He is saying: I am so cool.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-218439.html


While we Americans know it is as the "Krinkov", the Soviets apparently did not call the AKS74U any such thing.  The term was apparently coined by David Isby back in the '80s when he wrote about it after he saw it for the first time.  Nobody knows the true origin of the name "Krinkov" from the reading I've done on the subject.  





Don't know for sure, but I've heard it was originally attributed to Pauly Mahoney - a NFA dealer & manufacturer in Florida who was one of the first (if not the first) to start making US made AK receivers.  His shop was called "Krinks" (in Naples, IIRC), and if you look back thorough old issues of Small Arms Review, and its predecessor Machine Gun News you'll find ads from Krinks going back to the early 90's at least.  Its been many years since I've talked to Pauly, and I never asked the origin of the name.  Sure wish I did - he sure was one crazy fucker though...



That's an interesting bit of info.  I hope I don't come off trying to sound as if I'm some sort of AK "expert" because I'm far from it.  The design fascinates me because it's so well thought out and prolific.  The article was good, and I think the author was spot-on in a general sense, but even the most basic small arms knowlege isn't something most of these fellows are familiar with.  Thus, misinformation is born.

Also, from what I've read, the AKS74U was designed more for armor crews and others who needed a weapon more effective than a sidearm, but it wasn't designed as a general issue weapon to Soviet airborn forces.  
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