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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:07:24 AM EDT
Video 1/3. Tu-154 Take-off:
 Video 2/3. I started dry-heaving at about 0:58: Video 3/3. Chunks blown. I don't even know what's keeping this hunk of shit together. |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:13:40 AM EDT
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Big cross winds or amature pilots?
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:14:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:15:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:15:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: Big cross winds or amature pilots? I'd guess a pretty monumental flight control system fuck-up. The plane looked to be in a cross-coupled mode. Crazy Ivans, maybe! |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:15:48 AM EDT
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Looks like testing.
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:15:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:17:16 AM EDT
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It appears to have a severe aft CG problem. Damned lucky to get it back on the ground.
I guess nobody checked weight and balance before takeoff. 
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:18:17 AM EDT
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It appears to have a severe aft CG problem. Damned lucky to get it back on the ground. I guess nobody checked weight and balance before takeoff. Don't they always get back on the ground? 
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:19:18 AM EDT
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Yuri, I keepz mashing on these two pedals on zee floor and we still don't slow down any. What's wrong with this pile of sheeet?
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:20:00 AM EDT
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WTF is going on there?
Control surface malfunctions? Why is the landing gear still down? 
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:21:41 AM EDT
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I'm going to with with some kind of test. I'm betting there's no one on that plane but a pilot. Why do you think the guy is filming?
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:22:40 AM EDT
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PIO
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:23:05 AM EDT
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"May Day Paradeski! May Day Paradeski!"
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:29:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: PIO Probably to start, but if you let the controls go to neutral position, won't the plane fly out of it? |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:35:34 AM EDT
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PIO Probably to start, but if you let the controls go to neutral position, won't the plane fly out of it? Oh it should. I think he was doing it on purpose. |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:37:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: Oh it should. I think he was doing it on purpose. Maybe it was a rotary-wing guy trying to use the flap lever as a collective pitch control. |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:37:37 AM EDT
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PIO Probably to start, but if you let the controls go to neutral position, won't the plane fly out of it? PILOT INDUCED oscillations. Means he was doing it on purpose. |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:40:02 AM EDT
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Oh it should. I think he was doing it on purpose. Maybe it was a rotary-wing guy trying to use the flap lever as a collective pitch control. Hahaha. That is funny. |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:41:41 AM EDT
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Quoted: Induced != intentional. Most PIO is not intentional. It's sloppy control.PILOT INDUCED oscillations. Means he was doing it on purpose. |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 7:49:00 AM EDT
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Looks like testing. This. Or some Russian pilot said 'comrade, get your video camera and watch this'. |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 8:09:56 AM EDT
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PIO Probably to start, but if you let the controls go to neutral position, won't the plane fly out of it? Not necessarily with swept wing aircraft. Dutch roll... 
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As wing b is less swept in relation to the airflow, it produces more lift and creates a rolling moment since the lift is asymetric. As it reaches its critical AoA, the lift dissapates, the wing drops, and the other wing becomes less swept, and the process occurs in reverse. Slight more complicated than that, but thats the process in a nutshell. A yaw damper uses a sensor and rudder to compensate and dampen these occelations. They are more pronounced at altitude, and thus high altitude flight in swept wing aircraft requires a yaw damp. According to wiki, the Tu-154 doesn't have a yaw damp, using the reverse dihidreal effect of airfoil. Quite a Russian solution to attempt to bypass the necessity of YD in highly swept wing airplanes. |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 8:12:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: Science 'n' shit... Wow! Thanks! |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 8:17:49 AM EDT
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I will cut and paste from other thread!
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The absolute worst flight of my life was on one of those. I've been on them more than once, and quite a few have had real phugoid cycle issues. |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 8:23:46 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: It appears to have a severe aft CG problem. Damned lucky to get it back on the ground. I guess nobody checked weight and balance before takeoff. Don't they always get back on the ground?  |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 8:24:00 AM EDT
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Science 'n' shit... Wow! Thanks! Nice to know that $60k and 8 years of my life has some residual value to anyone. Think of it as an intellectual garage sale.
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Posted: 5/2/2011 8:24:37 AM EDT
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PIO Probably to start, but if you let the controls go to neutral position, won't the plane fly out of it? Not necessarily with swept wing aircraft. Dutch roll... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/DutchRollAnimGIF02.gif and http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/DutchRoll_03b.svg/533px-DutchRoll_03b.svg.png As wing b is less swept in relation to the airflow, it produces more lift and creates a rolling moment since the lift is asymetric. As it reaches its critical AoA, the lift dissapates, the wing drops, and the other wing becomes less swept, and the process occurs in reverse. Slight more complicated than that, but thats the process in a nutshell. A yaw damper uses a sensor and rudder to compensate and dampen these occelations. They are more pronounced at altitude, and thus high altitude flight in swept wing aircraft requires a yaw damp. According to wiki, the Tu-154 doesn't have a yaw damp, using the reverse dihidreal effect of airfoil. Quite a Russian solution to attempt to bypass the necessity of YD in highly swept wing airplanes. This is why arfcom rocks! Thank you for the explanation. |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 8:24:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: I will cut and paste from other thread! Quoted: The absolute worst flight of my life was on one of those. I've been on them more than once, and quite a few have had real phugoid cycle issues. Tu-154. NATO Code name: Careless. Not a coincidence. I only ever had two flights on one, in Bulgaria. I got good and hammered before the second flight. |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 8:31:57 AM EDT
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I always test the aircraft that way. The rear end for stress fractures.
Also, in Soviet Russia, plane fly YOU! |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 8:33:43 AM EDT
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I will cut and paste from other thread! Quoted:
The absolute worst flight of my life was on one of those. I've been on them more than once, and quite a few have had real phugoid cycle issues. Tu-154. NATO Code name: Careless. Not a coincidence. I only ever had two flights on one, in Bulgaria. I got good and hammered before the second flight. VKO to LYR in November. Edit: Also VKO to PKC. |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 8:36:12 AM EDT
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Meh He walked away. Good landing.
Silly Amerikanskis always wanting smooth flight. In Russia flight smooths you (all over the walls and the floor and the ceiling) |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 8:39:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: VKO to LYR in November. Edit: Also VKO to PKC.  Isn't that like the northern-most airport in the world? Crikey! |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 8:40:37 AM EDT
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VKO to LYR in November. Edit: Also VKO to PKC.
Isn't that like the northern-most airport in the world? Crikey! Something like that. And a few years previously one had crashed on that run. Ah, vodka... |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 8:49:50 AM EDT
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Vodka Service starts at the front of the plane..
( and they have priority on refills. ) 
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Posted: 5/2/2011 8:54:36 AM EDT
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Igor, hold my wodka and watch this!!
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Posted: 5/2/2011 8:59:51 AM EDT
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Quoted: Big cross winds or amature DRUNK pilots? We are talking Russians here..... |
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Posted: 5/2/2011 9:19:15 AM EDT
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You can see an engine backfire out of the left side in one of the first videos.
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Posted: 5/2/2011 9:20:19 AM EDT
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You can see an engine backfire out of the left side in the first video at the 28 second mark.
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Posted: 5/2/2011 9:24:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: SVO to IKT and back is 10 hours I would rather forget. Quoted: I will cut and paste from other thread! Quoted: The absolute worst flight of my life was on one of those. I've been on them more than once, and quite a few have had real phugoid cycle issues. Tu-154. NATO Code name: Careless. Not a coincidence. I only ever had two flights on one, in Bulgaria. I got good and hammered before the second flight. |
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