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Posted: 9/23/2023 8:55:01 AM EST


I'm sure some here will love this, but it's a war crime.  "Both Russia and Ukraine are Parties to the 1949 Geneva Conventions and the 1977 Additional Protocols. Accordingly, they are bound by those instruments, as well as the customary international law of armed conflict."

Link Posted: 9/23/2023 8:59:12 AM EST
[#1]
Well Hells bells this is going to be a interesting. That's messed up.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:02:30 AM EST
[#2]
This is why you don't share war footage.

Remember folks, you can't surrender to a drone.

Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:03:13 AM EST
[#3]
Ukraine tells us it is the front line, defending democracy and Western values.

The account says it's not possible to surrender to a drone.  Iraqis surrendered to AH-64s in 1991.

And earlier this year.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:04:12 AM EST
[#4]
SLABA-UOOO-KRAIN, all for glory.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:04:39 AM EST
[#5]
Seems a bit sadistic, but then again, who knows what the drone operator has seen as far as the horrors of war.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:05:40 AM EST
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Why not? Is it autonomous?
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:06:11 AM EST
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This is why you don't share war footage.

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Really? It has happened .

You certainly don't share pictures and videos of fucking war crimes and then publicly laugh about it.  Because then it's obvious that in your unit, if not your entire Army, that you commit war crimes.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:07:22 AM EST
[#8]
Wtf were they supposed to do?  Is the drone gonna swoop down and secure him and put him in a camp?

If they quit dropping bombs on him and leave, then he walks off, gets patched up and lives to fight another day.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:07:43 AM EST
[#9]
Probably the same thing Ukranian civilians did in Bucha when the Russians came through before they were killed. Fuck the Russians.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:07:49 AM EST
[#10]
Despite a government driven MSM and online spam campaign, designed to rig the PR game in Ukraine's favor, the Ukrainians still manage to make themselves look absolutely abhorrent. Compare to the kneecap shooting video, also starring Ukrainians.  

Once the Ukraine shill script hits something like this, they have to reboot and go back to knock-knock who's there nonsense like "But Russia could just surrender and go home!" or "But what about kyiv/kiev in 2 days!"
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:09:31 AM EST
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I'm sure some here will love this, but it's a war crime.  "Both Russia and Ukraine are Parties to the 1949 Geneva Conventions and the 1977 Additional Protocols. Accordingly, they are bound by those instruments, as well as the customary international law of armed conflict."

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Geneva?

Never heard of it.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:09:58 AM EST
[#12]

Ukrainian Drone operator footage is russian disinfo
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:10:41 AM EST
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Despite a government driven MSM and online spam campaign, designed to rig the PR game in Ukraine's favor, the Ukrainians still manage to make themselves look absolutely abhorrent. Compare to the kneecap shooting video, also starring Ukrainians.  

Once the Ukraine shill script hits something like this, they have to reboot and go back to knock-knock who's there nonsense like "But Russia could just surrender and go home!" or "But what about kyiv/kiev in 2 days!"
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UKR-Bois are gathering now for their IO offensive on this thread, of that you can be sure.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:11:07 AM EST
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GD: FUCK YEAH FIREBOMB THE REST OF JAPAN AND NUKE THEM AGAIN FOR GOOD MEASURE
Also GD: bUt ThE mEaN uKrAiNiAn DiD a WaRcRiMe
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:11:25 AM EST
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Seems a bit sadistic, but then again, who knows what the drone operator has seen as far as the horrors of war.
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That's why discipline exists.  When soldiers abandon their (alleged) values because the other side is brutal then there is no difference.

In WWII the Red Army did that.  They decided to be as brutal as the Germans.  Tit for tat.  In the end, both were blood drenched brutes.  Both were butchers serving evil leaders.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:12:19 AM EST
[#16]
When you invade another country and slaughter civilians, it usually doesn't turn out like a fucking children's story.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:14:31 AM EST
[#17]
I know it’s happened before, but is there a lawful expectation of surrender to a drone?
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:16:20 AM EST
[#18]
Slav on Slav crime.

Just another day in Chicago Ukraine.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:16:35 AM EST
[#19]
Are there possible "war crimes" on an invading force??? I think it's an oxymoron. Defend by all means necessary. ALL MEANS.



[BTW I am not an UkeBro, but I advocate for natural law]
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:17:02 AM EST
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Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action.

The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water).
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:17:28 AM EST
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Yes.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:19:18 AM EST
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When you invade another country and slaughter civilians  YET AGAIN , it usually doesn't turn out like a fucking children's story.
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The USA proceeds as if the rest of the world is culturally just like us.

It's very much not the case.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:19:25 AM EST
[#23]
They’ve been doing it from the start don’t care that much but I do care that if that was a uk or us drone operator they’d probably be charged
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:20:10 AM EST
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Are there possible "war crimes" on an invading force??? I think it's an oxymoron. Defend by all means necessary. ALL MEANS.



[BTW I am not an UkeBro, but I advocate for natural law]
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If you allegedly hold to higher values, then when your allegedly disciplined soldiers abandon those values, you've become your enemy.

War crimes beget war crimes.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:20:17 AM EST
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Neither sides gives a damn about the rules of war.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:21:30 AM EST
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Really? It has happened .

You certainly don't share pictures and videos of fucking war crimes and then publicly laugh about it.  Because then it's obvious that in your unit, if not your entire Army, that you commit war crimes.
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I'm just saying the drone can't take you to a POW camp if you surrender. It's a war, you're either in the battle or you're not.
Todays battle plan: Throw your hands up until the drone flies over, then get back to fighting.

Whatever leadership they have there should be putting an end to this drone footage bullshit.  

Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:21:36 AM EST
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Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action.

The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water).
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GD: FUCK YEAH FIREBOMB THE REST OF JAPAN AND NUKE THEM AGAIN FOR GOOD MEASURE
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Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action.

The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water).


Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:22:39 AM EST
[#28]
Honest question; what if the drone operator is some sort of guerilla fighter (non-"soldier"), do war crimes apply to them, or is it just generic crime?
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:24:04 AM EST
[#29]
Where are all the Uk fan bois
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:24:54 AM EST
[#30]
The term "war crime" always makes me think of a Indy 500 speeding ticket.  Makes about as much sense as removing flash hiders to make a firearm safer.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:24:59 AM EST
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The USA proceeds as if the rest of the world is culturally just like us.

It's very much not the case.
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All "Russia/commies are our enemy" aside, what's also fascinating is that while Russia/former-combloc appear "western", they're not.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:27:08 AM EST
[#32]
Posting the video was the stupid part.   Everyone knows cruel things happen in war.  Why be stupid and post it up so everyone sees it?
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:28:21 AM EST
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They’ve been doing it from the start don’t care that much but I do care that if that was a uk or us drone operator they’d probably be charged
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Yeah, the popular "sunroof" video was proof of that. The second drop on it was them very clearly targeting a vehicle that was attempting to transport wounded to receive medical care (which they knew because the first drop is what wounded them).

That said, it's hard to blame them. If someone kicks down your door, you use any means necessary to end the threat.  The Russians don't get to invade then play the victim.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:28:26 AM EST
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Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action.

The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water).
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GD: FUCK YEAH FIREBOMB THE REST OF JAPAN AND NUKE THEM AGAIN FOR GOOD MEASURE
Also GD: bUt ThE mEaN uKrAiNiAn DiD a WaRcRiMe

Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action.

The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water).


It helps when you win.  (For your first paragraph.)  There was zero chance of the Allies determining that our conduct in Meetinghouse or Starvation was going to be interpreted as a war crime.

Agree with your second paragraph, and with your original point that this video is an own goal for the Ukrainians.  Assuming it's their video.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:29:58 AM EST
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What makes that a war crime? How is that any different than artillery hitting a troop concentration several times?

It's an honest question...

Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:31:35 AM EST
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Really? What war crimes Germany did AFTER the Soviets crushed them?!?!? Actually, the result was total domination of Eastern Europe for half a century with little further local resistance.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:31:36 AM EST
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That's why discipline exists.  When soldiers abandon their (alleged) values because the other side is brutal then there is no difference.

In WWII the Red Army did that.  They decided to be as brutal as the Germans.  Tit for tat.  In the end, both were blood drenched brutes.  Both were butchers serving evil leaders.
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Seems a bit sadistic, but then again, who knows what the drone operator has seen as far as the horrors of war.
That's why discipline exists.  When soldiers abandon their (alleged) values because the other side is brutal then there is no difference.

In WWII the Red Army did that.  They decided to be as brutal as the Germans.  Tit for tat.  In the end, both were blood drenched brutes.  Both were butchers serving evil leaders.


Don’t start nothing-won’t be nothing.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:32:19 AM EST
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It's never a war crime the first time.
It's never a war crime if you win.
It's never a war crime if there is no evidence.


Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:32:24 AM EST
[#39]
They are losing and they know  it so as time goes on they will get more brutal with everything

I can't really blame them on that
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:32:32 AM EST
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Yeah, the popular "sunroof" video was proof of that. The second drop on it was them very clearly targeting a vehicle that was attempting to transport wounded to receive medical care (which they knew because the first drop is what wounded them).

That said, it's hard to blame them. If someone kicks down your door, you use any means necessary to end the threat.  The Russians don't get to invade then play the victim.
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They’ve been doing it from the start don’t care that much but I do care that if that was a uk or us drone operator they’d probably be charged

Yeah, the popular "sunroof" video was proof of that. The second drop on it was them very clearly targeting a vehicle that was attempting to transport wounded to receive medical care (which they knew because the first drop is what wounded them).

That said, it's hard to blame them. If someone kicks down your door, you use any means necessary to end the threat.  The Russians don't get to invade then play the victim.



And on your first paragraph, does that logic apply to the conduct captured in the infamous wikileaks footage of the Apache lighting up the guy with the minivan picking up wounded?  

Unless the van or the "clearly targeted" vehicle in your case are clearly placarded as medical/non-combatant personnel, I'd say that neither are war crimes, but it's something to look at.  Again, not something to be bragging about on social media.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:33:09 AM EST
[#41]
War is hell
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:34:31 AM EST
[#42]
I wouldn't kill like that, but I also have not had a foreign army occupy my country.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:35:09 AM EST
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Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action.

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The fuck we didn't.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:35:58 AM EST
[#44]
I’m no Ukie bro but how do you say “because we live here” in their language?
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:36:48 AM EST
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Invade America and watch.  Is this a crime defined by a law that Ukraine agreed to follow?  If not, then it's not law.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:36:59 AM EST
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The USA proceeds as if the rest of the world is culturally just like us.

It's very much not the case.
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When you invade another country and slaughter civilians  YET AGAIN , it usually doesn't turn out like a fucking children's story.


The USA proceeds as if the rest of the world is culturally just like us.

It's very much not the case.
^ that's the truth, Americans often take our societal values for granted and assume the rest of humankind adheres to them.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:37:09 AM EST
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And on your first paragraph, does that logic apply to the conduct captured in the infamous wikileaks footage of the Apache lighting up the guy with the minivan picking up wounded?  

Unless the van or the "clearly targeted" vehicle in your case are clearly placarded as medical/non-combatant personnel, I'd say that neither are war crimes, but it's something to look at.  Again, not something to be bragging about on social media.
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They’ve been doing it from the start don’t care that much but I do care that if that was a uk or us drone operator they’d probably be charged

Yeah, the popular "sunroof" video was proof of that. The second drop on it was them very clearly targeting a vehicle that was attempting to transport wounded to receive medical care (which they knew because the first drop is what wounded them).

That said, it's hard to blame them. If someone kicks down your door, you use any means necessary to end the threat.  The Russians don't get to invade then play the victim.



And on your first paragraph, does that logic apply to the conduct captured in the infamous wikileaks footage of the Apache lighting up the guy with the minivan picking up wounded?  

Unless the van or the "clearly targeted" vehicle in your case are clearly placarded as medical/non-combatant personnel, I'd say that neither are war crimes, but it's something to look at.  Again, not something to be bragging about on social media.

They knew the car was transporting wounded because they're the ones who wounded them.

The drone made a drop and went back for a reload. When it came back the soldiers were bandaged up and trying to load into the car that got targeted.

Clearly marked or not, they knew the soldiers were fleeing for medical aid.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:37:32 AM EST
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Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action.

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GD: FUCK YEAH FIREBOMB THE REST OF JAPAN AND NUKE THEM AGAIN FOR GOOD MEASURE
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Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action.

The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water).


Seriously?
The US most definitely DID the former. They also strafed parachuting airmen on occasion.

ETA…..not judging, just stating fact.
Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:37:38 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/23/2023 9:39:29 AM EST
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Here I am, responding to the ArfCommies.  ArfCommies never met a Russian they wouldn't hastily trip and fall down to suck off.  

I don't care what the Ukrainians are doing,  when Russians kill Ukrainian civilians in  warcrime invasion, this is what you get.  

Guess who is under investigation for war crimes officially?  Putin.  He'll eventually get what's coming to him.
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