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Posted: 1/22/2014 9:06:12 AM EDT
Didn't see posted - hope not a dupe!

Fox News


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/22/pentagon-relaxing-rules-on-religious-clothing-facial-hair/
Link Posted: 1/22/2014 9:07:18 AM EDT
Burqas for everyone!

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What if your religion requires sleeve tatoos?
Link Posted: 1/22/2014 9:10:34 AM EDT
Shit, I will become whatever religion that allows me to grow a beard.

Never have to shave again...

In other news, Military standards continue to decline.  We have grooming regs and uniform regs for a reason.  Changing it for "religious" aka "Politcal correctness" is wrong.  Unless there is an argument that this makes the military stronger, then this is just more bullshit for the pietry dish that we call the United States Armed Forces.

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We had a mess sergeant tell a Jewish kid to "take that fuckin' hat off when you are in my mess hall."

The Sgt. got an ass chewing from the Company Commander, and the kid kept his "hat" on.

This was in the late 1950s.
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Originally Posted By Him:
We had a mess sergeant tell a Jewish kid to "take that fuckin' hat off when you are in my mess hall."

The Sgt. got an ass chewing from the Company Commander, and the kid kept his "hat" on.

This was in the late 1950s.
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Join the Army, follow the Army's rules.

What is the point in have rules if we are just going to make exceptions for everything and everyone?

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Fuck yeah!


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I want that hat. Then I can be "Zoltar! Sultan of the Plains!"
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what could possibly go wrong?
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:


Join the Army, follow the Army's rules.

What is the point in have rules if we are just going to make exceptions for everything and everyone?

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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Originally Posted By Him:
We had a mess sergeant tell a Jewish kid to "take that fuckin' hat off when you are in my mess hall."

The Sgt. got an ass chewing from the Company Commander, and the kid kept his "hat" on.

This was in the late 1950s.


Join the Army, follow the Army's rules.

What is the point in have rules if we are just going to make exceptions for everything and everyone?



And fuck that, before the alract came out specifically mentioning yarmulkas I would fucking blow guys up for it too. And I'm jewish. Used to require a command memo and just like a shaving profile you better have that shit on you snowflake.

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what could possibly go wrong?
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Originally Posted By Fourays2:


what could possibly go wrong?


Of course he's a fucking slick sleeve.
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:


Join the Army, follow the Army's rules.

What is the point in have rules if we are just going to make exceptions for everything and everyone?

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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Originally Posted By Him:
We had a mess sergeant tell a Jewish kid to "take that fuckin' hat off when you are in my mess hall."

The Sgt. got an ass chewing from the Company Commander, and the kid kept his "hat" on.

This was in the late 1950s.


Join the Army, follow the Army's rules.

What is the point in have rules if we are just going to make exceptions for everything and everyone?



The draft brought in a lot of people back then.
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SMA Chandler's head will explode...




Monk

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what could possibly go wrong?
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what could possibly go wrong?


Actually, despite my tongue-in-cheek reply, I support this as long as the rules are relaxed only to the point where military bearing and fit/function of PPE/OCIE are not negatively affected.  Walking the walk, talking the talk and all that jazz.

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Of course he's a fucking slick sleeve.
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Originally Posted By Fourays2:







what could possibly go wrong?




Of course he's a fucking slick sleeve.


Look again, he's a Capt..
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Originally Posted By Birddog1911:



Look again, he's a Capt..
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Originally Posted By Birddog1911:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By Fourays2:


what could possibly go wrong?


Of course he's a fucking slick sleeve.



Look again, he's a Capt..


Slick sleeve in army speak means no deployment, not no rank.  Lack of patch on right shoulder.
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Look again, he's a Capt..
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Originally Posted By Birddog1911:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By Fourays2:

what could possibly go wrong?


Of course he's a fucking slick sleeve.

Look again, he's a Capt..


ACU "Slick sleeve" = no combat patch.

I'm sure he's been overseas since that picture was taken.  And, IIRC, he's a medical service officer.

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He began his service in 2010 as an Army dentist at Fort Drum, but was deployed to Afghanistan in March 2011 through October 2011, where he served in the southern part of the country, most notably at the Forward Operating Base. In recognition of Captain Rattan’s superior service to the United States in Afghanistan, he was awarded the Army Commendation Medal and the NATO Medal.

Following his return from deployment in Afghanistan, Captain Rattan was re-stationed at Fort Drum, NY, where he currently continues to serve as a general dentist at the Stone Dental Clinic.


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"Allows Commanders to authorize"  not "Directs Commanders to authorize".
According to that article, no commander is compelled to authorize any exception.

But I'm sure that will be forthcoming.

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Originally Posted By Squatch:


Actually, despite my tongue-in-cheek reply, I support this as long as the rules are relaxed only to the point where military bearing and fit/function of PPE/OCIE are not negatively affected.  Walking the walk, talking the talk and all that jazz.

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Originally Posted By Squatch:
Originally Posted By Fourays2:



what could possibly go wrong?


Actually, despite my tongue-in-cheek reply, I support this as long as the rules are relaxed only to the point where military bearing and fit/function of PPE/OCIE are not negatively affected.  Walking the walk, talking the talk and all that jazz.




I've been out a while, but I agree with this.

What do current members think ?


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Originally Posted By Squatch:


ACU "Slick sleeve" = no combat patch.

I'm sure he's been overseas since that picture was taken.  And, IIRC, he's a medical service officer.

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Originally Posted By Squatch:
Originally Posted By Birddog1911:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By Fourays2:

what could possibly go wrong?


Of course he's a fucking slick sleeve.

Look again, he's a Capt..


ACU "Slick sleeve" = no combat patch.

I'm sure he's been overseas since that picture was taken.  And, IIRC, he's a medical service officer.

ETA:

He began his service in 2010 as an Army dentist at Fort Drum, but was deployed to Afghanistan in March 2011 through October 2011, where he served in the southern part of the country, most notably at the Forward Operating Base. In recognition of Captain Rattan’s superior service to the United States in Afghanistan, he was awarded the Army Commendation Medal and the NATO Medal.

Following his return from deployment in Afghanistan, Captain Rattan was re-stationed at Fort Drum, NY, where he currently continues to serve as a general dentist at the Stone Dental Clinic.


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That's what I thought - he is a Sikh.  I think they are fighting the same group we are, plus they have fought pretty hard for the British although they would have been largely segregated units

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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Shit, I will become whatever religion that allows me to grow a beard.

Never have to shave again...

In other news, Military standards continue to decline.  We have grooming regs and uniform regs for a reason.  Changing it for "religious" aka "Politcal correctness" is wrong.  Unless there is an argument that this makes the military stronger, then this is just more bullshit for the pietry dish that we call the United States Armed Forces.

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You mean like having a larger pool of candidates for military recruitment?

Nah, that would be silly. All those people just want to be unique, that's it. Them folks with their other religions and petri dishes... Damn country is going to hell in a hand basket! Just like I heard on the radio.
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Of course he's a fucking slick sleeve.
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Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By Fourays2:


what could possibly go wrong?


Of course he's a fucking slick sleeve.


He's a doctor. But fuck him, he has a beard and turban. What use could he possibly be.


Why do people get caught up in the silliest shit? Why aren't we more focused on what is effective in reality?
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I have no problem with allowing Sikh's to wear their hair long, have a beard, and wear a turban/kirpan.   The regs against beards are bullshit anyway.



People wear gas  masks with beards before the regs changed and those who were in before 1986 were grandfathered.  We had a Chief with a full beard on my sub, he had zero problems with our air equipment.



If the uniformity of appearance is that important, then recruit them to special units as other countries have done.  



















 
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That's what I thought - he is a Sikh.  I think they are fighting the same group we are, plus they have fought pretty hard for the British although they would have been largely segregated units





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Originally Posted By Squatch:




Originally Posted By Birddog1911:








ACU "Slick sleeve" = no combat patch.





I'm sure he's been overseas since that picture was taken.  And, IIRC, he's a medical service officer.





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He began his service in 2010 as an Army dentist at Fort Drum, but was deployed to Afghanistan in March 2011 through October 2011, where he served in the southern part of the country, most notably at the Forward Operating Base. In recognition of Captain Rattan’s superior service to the United States in Afghanistan, he was awarded the Army Commendation Medal and the NATO Medal.





Following his return from deployment in Afghanistan, Captain Rattan was re-stationed at Fort Drum, NY, where he currently continues to serve as a general dentist at the Stone Dental Clinic.






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That's what I thought - he is a Sikh.  I think they are fighting the same group we are, plus they have fought pretty hard for the British although they would have been largely segregated units





Sikhs have been all about fucking up Islamist shit for centuries. Their religion even requires them to concealed carry to protect the innocent, they just have not moved the mandate up to firearms yet.





 
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Originally Posted By retgarr:


He's a doctor. But fuck him, he has a beard and turban. What use could he possibly be.

Why do people get caught up in the silliest shit? Why aren't we more focused on what is effective in reality?
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Originally Posted By retgarr:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By Fourays2:


what could possibly go wrong?


Of course he's a fucking slick sleeve.


He's a doctor. But fuck him, he has a beard and turban. What use could he possibly be.

Why do people get caught up in the silliest shit? Why aren't we more focused on what is effective in reality?


Because double standards equal none.

Whatever, I'm out - your army now Mr Taxpayer.
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Originally Posted By Squatch:


ACU "Slick sleeve" = no combat patch.

I'm sure he's been overseas since that picture was taken.  And, IIRC, he's a medical service officer.

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Originally Posted By Squatch:
Originally Posted By Birddog1911:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By Fourays2:

what could possibly go wrong?


Of course he's a fucking slick sleeve.

Look again, he's a Capt..


ACU "Slick sleeve" = no combat patch.

I'm sure he's been overseas since that picture was taken.  And, IIRC, he's a medical service officer.

ETA:

He began his service in 2010 as an Army dentist at Fort Drum, but was deployed to Afghanistan in March 2011 through October 2011, where he served in the southern part of the country, most notably at the Forward Operating Base. In recognition of Captain Rattan’s superior service to the United States in Afghanistan, he was awarded the Army Commendation Medal and the NATO Medal.

Following his return from deployment in Afghanistan, Captain Rattan was re-stationed at Fort Drum, NY, where he currently continues to serve as a general dentist at the Stone Dental Clinic.


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Medical people and other special folks can get waivers. That's what I was told when I was trying to get a waiver for my eyes.

There's a waiver for anything. The Navy gave, IIRC, a 70 year old guy a waiver to join up because he's a specialist doctor. And the guy who was the head of some shock trauma thing in Baltimore was still in the military in his 70's (at one point covering a street with a shotgun when his convoy stopped) having first joined during Korea because, again, he was a very good doc.

As I was told, there's a waiver for everything and anything. You just have to be important enough to get one.
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Is this a way of knowing who the jihads are so they can be watched closer?

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Why in the fuck would we need a larger pool of candidates when we are shrinking the aize of our ranks?

How about you follow the fucking rules you agreed to when you signed up?

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Originally Posted By retgarr:
Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Shit, I will become whatever religion that allows me to grow a beard.

Never have to shave again...

In other news, Military standards continue to decline.  We have grooming regs and uniform regs for a reason.  Changing it for "religious" aka "Politcal correctness" is wrong.  Unless there is an argument that this makes the military stronger, then this is just more bullshit for the pietry dish that we call the United States Armed Forces.



You mean like having a larger pool of candidates for military recruitment?

Nah, that would be silly. All those people just want to be unique, that's it. Them folks with their other religions and petri dishes... Damn country is going to hell in a hand basket! Just like I heard on the radio.

Why in the fuck would we need a larger pool of candidates when we are shrinking the aize of our ranks?

How about you follow the fucking rules you agreed to when you signed up?





1) Everybody in the military is currently following the rules they agreed to when they signed up. *

2) The DoD is going to authorize the Departments to relax the rules, if they choose.

3) The Departments are going to relax the rules.

4) Everybody in the military will follow the new rules.

(* Except, of course, discipline cases, who will always be problems regardless of the rules)
Link Posted: 1/22/2014 10:15:59 AM EDT
So it is really cool if specal ops,dudes can rock beards, long hair and funky uniforms in the field but a Sikh has to shave and cut his hair?

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Originally Posted By retgarr:

Why do people get caught up in the silliest shit? Why aren't we more focused on what is effective in reality?
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Like donning a Scott Airpak to fight a fire, weaing an O2 mask in a tactical aircraft, SCUBA gear as a SEAL, OBAs in a submarine, etc., wearing a full beard?


Military "uniform" is a self descriptibve term.

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Originally Posted By Squatch:
ACU "Slick sleeve" = no combat patch.



I'm sure he's been overseas since that picture was taken. And, IIRC, he's a medical service officer.



ETA:
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Originally Posted By Birddog1911:



Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:



Originally Posted By Fourays2:



what could possibly go wrong?




Of course he's a fucking slick sleeve.


Look again, he's a Capt..




ACU "Slick sleeve" = no combat patch.



I'm sure he's been overseas since that picture was taken. And, IIRC, he's a medical service officer.



ETA:





He began his service in 2010 as an Army dentist at Fort Drum, but was deployed to Afghanistan in March 2011 through October 2011, where he served in the southern part of the country, most notably at the Forward Operating Base. In recognition of Captain Rattan’s superior service to the United States in Afghanistan, he was awarded the Army Commendation Medal and the NATO Medal.



Following his return from deployment in Afghanistan, Captain Rattan was re-stationed at Fort Drum, NY, where he currently continues to serve as a general dentist at the Stone Dental Clinic.




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My mistake; slick sleeve in AF is no-rank.
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Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Like donning a Scott Airpak to fight a fire, weaing an O2 mask in a tactical aircraft, SCUBA gear as a SEAL, OBAs in a submarine, etc., wearing a full beard?
Military "uniform" is a self descriptibve term.





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Originally Posted By retgarr:





Why do people get caught up in the silliest shit? Why aren't we more focused on what is effective in reality?






Like donning a Scott Airpak to fight a fire, weaing an O2 mask in a tactical aircraft, SCUBA gear as a SEAL, OBAs in a submarine, etc., wearing a full beard?
Military "uniform" is a self descriptibve term.










 

Scott Airpak in full beard.  Seen it.


Wearing an 02 mask in full beard.  Seen it.


Scuba gear in full beard. Seen it


OBAs in full beard. Seen it.







Beards don't necessarily have to interfere.  The reg should allow beards that don't interfere with breathing devices or gas masks.







The gas mask thing was the justification for disallowing beards, but the reason was purely the brass didn't like the bearded look.







 
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We have an All Volunteer Force.  Don't like the grooming standards?  Then stay the fuck out-nobody's forcing you to serve.



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Originally Posted By Dino:

  Scott Airpak in full beard.  Seen it.
Wearing an 02 mask in full beard.  Seen it.
Scuba gear in full beard. Seen it
OBAs in full beard. Seen it.

Beards don't necessarily have to interfere.  The reg should allow beards that don't interfere with breathing devices or gas masks.

The gas mask thing was the justification for disallowing beards, but the reason was purely the brass didn't like the bearded look.

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Originally Posted By Dino:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Originally Posted By retgarr:

Why do people get caught up in the silliest shit? Why aren't we more focused on what is effective in reality?


Like donning a Scott Airpak to fight a fire, weaing an O2 mask in a tactical aircraft, SCUBA gear as a SEAL, OBAs in a submarine, etc., wearing a full beard?


Military "uniform" is a self descriptibve term.


  Scott Airpak in full beard.  Seen it.
Wearing an 02 mask in full beard.  Seen it.
Scuba gear in full beard. Seen it
OBAs in full beard. Seen it.

Beards don't necessarily have to interfere.  The reg should allow beards that don't interfere with breathing devices or gas masks.

The gas mask thing was the justification for disallowing beards, but the reason was purely the brass didn't like the bearded look.



That's not necessarily a bogus criteria.

Why do we have hair grooming standards?

Why are the uniforms trademarked/copyrighted?


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I'm 47 and 300 pounds, who do I sue to get in?
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I'm 47 and 300 pounds, who do I sue to get in?
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White people.

Remember, you are ambiguously gender hopeful. Just write that in below the M/F block.
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Originally Posted By Spade:

Medical people and other special folks can get waivers. That's what I was told when I was trying to get a waiver for my eyes.

There's a waiver for anything. The Navy gave, IIRC, a 70 year old guy a waiver to join up because he's a specialist doctor. And the guy who was the head of some shock trauma thing in Baltimore was still in the military in his 70's (at one point covering a street with a shotgun when his convoy stopped) having first joined during Korea because, again, he was a very good doc.

As I was told, there's a waiver for everything and anything. You just have to be important enough to get one.
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Bull shit. He's a fucking dentist. He could have gotten the same job working the same bases as a civilian. But they don't pay your school loans back for you. Typical liberal shit for snowflakes in the service, I don't want to follow the rules but I want everything everyone else gets too.

I see "the commitments every other SM made are below me"

While I'm expected to fuck some joes up who are rocking a peach fuzz mouth while a mother fucker in a turban is in the next formation over laughing. And he expects those joes not to hate him for his special treatment, And I'm supposed to lead soldiers surrounded by snowflakes who get the same or better pay as them.

Standards exist for a reason.

Double standards equal none.
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Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:

This was directed at the activists in the ranks, whom are not satisfied with what they agreed upon, so they fought to change it.

This is also a fuck you to the PC system that will fuck the military's guts out in the name of diversity and fairness.

This is also a fuck you to those with no skin in the game that are more than happy to tell all of us what is good for us.


 
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Originally Posted By Squatch:
Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
Originally Posted By retgarr:
Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Shit, I will become whatever religion that allows me to grow a beard.

Never have to shave again...

In other news, Military standards continue to decline.  We have grooming regs and uniform regs for a reason.  Changing it for "religious" aka "Politcal correctness" is wrong.  Unless there is an argument that this makes the military stronger, then this is just more bullshit for the pietry dish that we call the United States Armed Forces.



You mean like having a larger pool of candidates for military recruitment?

Nah, that would be silly. All those people just want to be unique, that's it. Them folks with their other religions and petri dishes... Damn country is going to hell in a hand basket! Just like I heard on the radio.

Why in the fuck would we need a larger pool of candidates when we are shrinking the aize of our ranks?

How about you follow the fucking rules you agreed to when you signed up?





1) Everybody in the military is currently following the rules they agreed to when they signed up. *

2) The DoD is going to authorize the Departments to relax the rules, if they choose.

3) The Departments are going to relax the rules.

4) Everybody in the military will follow the new rules.

(* Except, of course, discipline cases, who will always be problems regardless of the rules)

This was directed at the activists in the ranks, whom are not satisfied with what they agreed upon, so they fought to change it.

This is also a fuck you to the PC system that will fuck the military's guts out in the name of diversity and fairness.

This is also a fuck you to those with no skin in the game that are more than happy to tell all of us what is good for us.


 



So the military can sign up only people who understand what the benefits of having a larger pool are for.

Say you have one slot to fill and two people are applying for it. That's your choice. Now say you allow beards and yarmulkes. Now you have four possible candidates and you have just increased your chances of getting a more qualified candidate.


Look at that guy up there with the beard. He's a dentist. And he had to fight to join the military. Now go ask Dr. Salee what earning potential Dentists can have.
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White people.

Remember, you are ambiguously gender hopeful. Just write that in below the M/F block.
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Originally Posted By CROQ:
I'm 47 and 300 pounds, who do I sue to get in?


White people.

Remember, you are ambiguously gender hopeful. Just write that in below the M/F block.


I'm on it!
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Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:


Bull shit. He's a fucking dentist. He could have gotten the same job working the same bases as a civilian. But they don't pay your school loans back for you. Typical liberal shit for snowflakes in the service, I don't want to follow the rules but I want everything everyone else gets too.

I see "the commitments every other SM made are below me"

While I'm expected to fuck some joes up who are rocking a peach fuzz mouth while a mother fucker in a turban is in the next formation over laughing. And he expects those joes not to hate him for his special treatment, And I'm supposed to lead soldiers surrounded by snowflakes who get the same or better pay as them.

Standards exist for a reason.

Double standards equal none.
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Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By Spade:

Medical people and other special folks can get waivers. That's what I was told when I was trying to get a waiver for my eyes.

There's a waiver for anything. The Navy gave, IIRC, a 70 year old guy a waiver to join up because he's a specialist doctor. And the guy who was the head of some shock trauma thing in Baltimore was still in the military in his 70's (at one point covering a street with a shotgun when his convoy stopped) having first joined during Korea because, again, he was a very good doc.

As I was told, there's a waiver for everything and anything. You just have to be important enough to get one.


Bull shit. He's a fucking dentist. He could have gotten the same job working the same bases as a civilian. But they don't pay your school loans back for you. Typical liberal shit for snowflakes in the service, I don't want to follow the rules but I want everything everyone else gets too.

I see "the commitments every other SM made are below me"

While I'm expected to fuck some joes up who are rocking a peach fuzz mouth while a mother fucker in a turban is in the next formation over laughing. And he expects those joes not to hate him for his special treatment, And I'm supposed to lead soldiers surrounded by snowflakes who get the same or better pay as them.

Standards exist for a reason.

Double standards equal none.


Okay, tell me about how bad this guy is:
http://www.2ndmlg.marines.mil/News/NewsArticleDisplay/tabid/3874/Article/58270/navy-doctor-62-serves-on-first-deployment-to-iraq-in-honor-of-two-marine-sons.aspx
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/dec/01/local/me-doctor1

He didn't need his loans paid, he had a great private practice, and as we all know, orthopedic surgeons with decades of experience who want to serve in shitty places just fall out of the trees everyday.
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Originally Posted By Spade:


Okay, tell me about how bad this guy is:
http://www.2ndmlg.marines.mil/News/NewsArticleDisplay/tabid/3874/Article/58270/navy-doctor-62-serves-on-first-deployment-to-iraq-in-honor-of-two-marine-sons.aspx
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/dec/01/local/me-doctor1

He didn't need his loans paid, he had a great private practice, and as we all know, orthopedic surgeons with decades of experience who want to serve in shitty places just fall out of the trees everyday.
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Originally Posted By Spade:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By Spade:

Medical people and other special folks can get waivers. That's what I was told when I was trying to get a waiver for my eyes.

There's a waiver for anything. The Navy gave, IIRC, a 70 year old guy a waiver to join up because he's a specialist doctor. And the guy who was the head of some shock trauma thing in Baltimore was still in the military in his 70's (at one point covering a street with a shotgun when his convoy stopped) having first joined during Korea because, again, he was a very good doc.

As I was told, there's a waiver for everything and anything. You just have to be important enough to get one.


Bull shit. He's a fucking dentist. He could have gotten the same job working the same bases as a civilian. But they don't pay your school loans back for you. Typical liberal shit for snowflakes in the service, I don't want to follow the rules but I want everything everyone else gets too.

I see "the commitments every other SM made are below me"

While I'm expected to fuck some joes up who are rocking a peach fuzz mouth while a mother fucker in a turban is in the next formation over laughing. And he expects those joes not to hate him for his special treatment, And I'm supposed to lead soldiers surrounded by snowflakes who get the same or better pay as them.

Standards exist for a reason.

Double standards equal none.


Okay, tell me about how bad this guy is:
http://www.2ndmlg.marines.mil/News/NewsArticleDisplay/tabid/3874/Article/58270/navy-doctor-62-serves-on-first-deployment-to-iraq-in-honor-of-two-marine-sons.aspx
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/dec/01/local/me-doctor1

He didn't need his loans paid, he had a great private practice, and as we all know, orthopedic surgeons with decades of experience who want to serve in shitty places just fall out of the trees everyday.


Doesn't sound like a generic ass dentist to me does it.

Bet he wears a fucking navy uniform properly, doesn't he.

Age requirements change all the time, and don't hurt shit.

You're comparing tomatoes to potatoes.

Call of bullshit stands.
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Originally Posted By Spade:


Okay, tell me about how bad this guy is:
http://www.2ndmlg.marines.mil/News/NewsArticleDisplay/tabid/3874/Article/58270/navy-doctor-62-serves-on-first-deployment-to-iraq-in-honor-of-two-marine-sons.aspx
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/dec/01/local/me-doctor1

He didn't need his loans paid, he had a great private practice, and as we all know, orthopedic surgeons with decades of experience who want to serve in shitty places just fall out of the trees everyday.
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Originally Posted By Spade:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By Spade:

Medical people and other special folks can get waivers. That's what I was told when I was trying to get a waiver for my eyes.

There's a waiver for anything. The Navy gave, IIRC, a 70 year old guy a waiver to join up because he's a specialist doctor. And the guy who was the head of some shock trauma thing in Baltimore was still in the military in his 70's (at one point covering a street with a shotgun when his convoy stopped) having first joined during Korea because, again, he was a very good doc.

As I was told, there's a waiver for everything and anything. You just have to be important enough to get one.


Bull shit. He's a fucking dentist. He could have gotten the same job working the same bases as a civilian. But they don't pay your school loans back for you. Typical liberal shit for snowflakes in the service, I don't want to follow the rules but I want everything everyone else gets too.

I see "the commitments every other SM made are below me"

While I'm expected to fuck some joes up who are rocking a peach fuzz mouth while a mother fucker in a turban is in the next formation over laughing. And he expects those joes not to hate him for his special treatment, And I'm supposed to lead soldiers surrounded by snowflakes who get the same or better pay as them.

Standards exist for a reason.

Double standards equal none.


Okay, tell me about how bad this guy is:
http://www.2ndmlg.marines.mil/News/NewsArticleDisplay/tabid/3874/Article/58270/navy-doctor-62-serves-on-first-deployment-to-iraq-in-honor-of-two-marine-sons.aspx
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/dec/01/local/me-doctor1

He didn't need his loans paid, he had a great private practice, and as we all know, orthopedic surgeons with decades of experience who want to serve in shitty places just fall out of the trees everyday.


I bet he shaves
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Originally Posted By retgarr:


You mean like having a larger pool of candidates for military recruitment?

Nah, that would be silly. All those people just want to be unique, that's it. Them folks with their other religions and petri dishes... Damn country is going to hell in a hand basket! Just like I heard on the radio.
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Shit, I will become whatever religion that allows me to grow a beard.

Never have to shave again...

In other news, Military standards continue to decline.  We have grooming regs and uniform regs for a reason.  Changing it for "religious" aka "Politcal correctness" is wrong.  Unless there is an argument that this makes the military stronger, then this is just more bullshit for the pietry dish that we call the United States Armed Forces.



You mean like having a larger pool of candidates for military recruitment?

Nah, that would be silly. All those people just want to be unique, that's it. Them folks with their other religions and petri dishes... Damn country is going to hell in a hand basket! Just like I heard on the radio.




Because nobody else has a religion.  

Not breast feeding while walking outside in uniform, marching in a gay pride parade in uniform, hopping on stage at a Ron Paul rally while in uniform, or wearing some special fucking hat/beard. It's all bullshit.
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Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:

Standards change all the time, and don't hurt shit.
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FIFY
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FIFY
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Originally Posted By Squatch:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:

Standards change all the time, and don't hurt shit.


FIFY


standards changing is fine.

Double standards is not.
Link Posted: 1/22/2014 11:06:32 AM EDT
My last shop helped facilitate training for 4th Dental Bn-a USNR unit composed of, well, dentists (all with practices back home).  We locked on ranges for them, provided small arms training, arranged for ammo, instructor, armorer and range coach support, PPE, and generally helped them get non-dental training for their two week AT.

I spoke with a couple of them that received their commissions in their 50s.  They knew they'd never retire with a pension since they joined so late, but did so anyway because they had the opportunity to something they felt they should have done while they were young.  

It's not that unusual.  Not a beard among them, either.  


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Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:


standards changing is fine.

Double standards is not.
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Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By Squatch:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:

Standards change all the time, and don't hurt shit.


FIFY


standards changing is fine.

Double standards is not.


1) Everybody in the military is currently following the standards they agreed to when they signed up. *

2) The DoD is going to authorize the Departments to relax the standards, if they choose.

3) The Departments are going to relax the standards.

4) Everybody in the military will follow the new standards.

(* Except, of course, discipline cases, who will always be problems regardless of the standards)

Really, this isn't that difficult.
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