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Posted: 4/29/2011 5:25:39 AM EDT

Look at his radio, Holy shit.

Fundamentals are still there though. Cool video.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3ff_1304026779

Posted: 4/29/2011 5:46:14 AM EDT

[#1]

off the hip with the shot gun ftw lol

cool video so far

Posted: 4/29/2011 5:57:04 AM EDT

[#2]

Surprisingly good.

I guess being tactical isn't new and isn't defined by oakleys, padded gloves, and cargo pants.

ETA:

During the "electronic range walk:" Look how the pair's demeanor changes as they empty their shells. Was this what lead to the events that triggered changes in loading/unloading?

Posted: 4/29/2011 6:03:57 AM EDT

[#3]

Dumping the empties into your hand.

Posted: 4/29/2011 6:09:48 AM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
Dumping the empties into your hand.

They'd never actually pick up their empties in a real fight, right?

So there's a lot to criticize in the video with the benefit of hindsight, but it's still an interesting look at the training of the day.

Remember kids, always crowd your cover. :-)

Posted: 4/29/2011 6:15:37 AM EDT

[#5]

Thats it, I'm growing a mustache!

Posted: 4/29/2011 6:31:57 AM EDT

[#6]

lol at the bitch slap!!

Posted: 4/29/2011 6:47:27 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:

Thats it, I'm growing a mustache!

70's porn. FTW

Posted: 4/29/2011 6:59:17 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Dumping the empties into your hand.

They'd never actually pick up their empties in a real fight, right?

So there's a lot to criticize in the video with the benefit of hindsight, but it's still an interesting look at the training of the day.

Remember kids, always crowd your cover. :-)

I was told a story a long time ago about some Troopers that got into a fire fight with some bad guys. Troopers ended up getting killed, but next to them was a pile of brass from their revolvers. They were taught to empty into their hands, to check for unfired ammo, and then drop the empties at their feet.

These two Troopers went back to their training. It was a sad story.

Posted: 4/29/2011 7:20:47 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Dumping the empties into your hand.

When my brother when through Training for the NCSHP back in 99', if they were caught catching an empty magazine, they had to run a mile or something like that.

In a street gunfight, empty magazines and brass are useless.

Posted: 4/29/2011 7:21:44 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Dumping the empties into your hand.

They'd never actually pick up their empties in a real fight, right?

So there's a lot to criticize in the video with the benefit of hindsight, but it's still an interesting look at the training of the day.

Remember kids, always crowd your cover. :-)

Just funny to me. I haven't done ricochet shooting since the academy.

Posted: 4/29/2011 7:32:05 AM EDT

[#11]

Tag, tag, tag, tag, taggity tag tag tag.

Posted: 5/1/2011 4:46:20 AM EDT

[#12]

Make sure you're wearing your hat.

Posted: 5/1/2011 5:23:45 AM EDT

[#13]

That first cop is clairvoyant. When told by the store owner, "Young kid with a gun," he automatically knew it was a white mail with a red plaid jacket.

Posted: 5/1/2011 5:41:23 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

Remember kids, always crowd your cover. :-)

yeah they show the patrolman in the beginning crowding cover, then show exactly how he would get hit by a round that ricocheted along the side of the dumpster, then showed him at the end doing it again.

Fun to watch even if time has passed most of the training value by. I can't remember the last time I saw a holster with an exposed trigger.

Posted: 5/1/2011 7:17:40 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
That first cop is clairvoyant. When told by the store owner, "Young kid with a gun," he automatically knew it was a white mail with a red plaid jacket.

Not clairvoyant, just racist.

If you've been on the street long enough you'll know that only young white males rob liquor stores while wearing red plaid jackets.

I noticed catching the empty brass too. Its a shame most training manuals are written in blood.

Posted: 5/1/2011 8:30:55 AM EDT

[#16]

That was a very good demonstration of ricochets traveling parallel to surfaces, I don't believe I've seen it shown so clearly before.

That guy on the pistol course around 10:40 was whipping the hell out of his muzzle on the draw.

Why was a two handed grip verbotten until the Weaver/Cooper revolution? Nobody was doing anything useful with their weak hand, you'd think a two handed grip would be natural.

Posted: 5/1/2011 8:34:31 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Why was a two handed grip verbotten until the Weaver/Cooper revolution? Nobody was doing anything useful with their weak hand, you'd think a two handed grip would be natural.

Because, among other reasons, when doctrine was being formulated in the early days of formalized training, the SME's were competitive shooters. Thats how they did it in competition, so thats how PPC was taught.

Posted: 5/1/2011 8:46:06 AM EDT

[#18]

I like point shooting

Posted: 5/1/2011 9:23:32 AM EDT

[#19]

Very interesting.

Posted: 5/1/2011 9:28:50 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
Thats it, I'm growing a mustache!

The ladies love "The Tickler".

Posted: 5/1/2011 9:35:45 AM EDT

[#21]

I love how the husband slaps his wife down right before he grabs his gun and shoots on of the CHIPS.

Posted: 5/1/2011 9:41:18 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Dumping the empties into your hand.

They'd never actually pick up their empties in a real fight, right?

So there's a lot to criticize in the video with the benefit of hindsight, but it's still an interesting look at the training of the day.

Remember kids, always crowd your cover. :-)

I remember reading somewhere (maybe here, not sure) of a LEO back in the day that did just that out of force of training habit. I believe he got shot while dicking around with his empties.

ETA: Should have read whole thread, beat by LTBeas.

Posted: 5/1/2011 10:09:40 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

I love how the husband slaps his wife down right before he grabs his gun and shoots on of the CHIPS.

And he was stylin' with white dress shoes on.

I honest to God do not mean this as a criticism, I smiled when the instructor who was demonstrating ricochets put a towel down on the grass to keep his trousers clean.

Posted: 5/1/2011 10:19:40 AM EDT

[#24]

Model 10 skinny barrel porn.

Posted: 5/1/2011 10:35:00 AM EDT

[#25]

Is that first cop Jesse jackson?

Posted: 5/1/2011 10:53:13 AM EDT

[#26]

Great historical video

The ricochets against a hard flat surface I'm sure is very counter-intuitive for most people.

Posted: 5/1/2011 11:22:35 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Why was a two handed grip verbotten until the Weaver/Cooper revolution? Nobody was doing anything useful with their weak hand, you'd think a two handed grip would be natural.

Because, among other reasons, when doctrine was being formulated in the early days of formalized training, the SME's were competitive shooters. Thats how they did it in competition, so thats how PPC was taught.

That doesn't really answer why competition shooters used one hand, though.

You have to go back to the development of the pistol - it was always simply thought of as a one hand weapon. As the technology got to where multiple shots were feasible, the mindset never caught up. The weaver/cooper revolution really overcame an ingrained mental block.

Posted: 5/1/2011 11:58:10 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
That doesn't really answer why competition shooters used one hand, though.

You have to go back to the development of the pistol - it was always simply thought of as a one hand weapon. As the technology got to where multiple shots were feasible, the mindset never caught up. The weaver/cooper revolution really overcame an ingrained mental block.

Well, if you're going to go THAT far back in history, the handgun was taught one-handed because it was presumed that you were holding the reins in the other hand. I didn't think we were discussing military mounted handgun use.

Posted: 5/2/2011 12:19:18 AM EDT

[#29]

tag for home

Posted: 5/2/2011 2:04:51 AM EDT

[#30]

Think about how much fun it will be to watch the current training videos 40 years from now.

Posted: 5/2/2011 2:17:13 AM EDT

[#31]

tag

Posted: 5/2/2011 1:22:24 PM EDT

[#32]

Tag so I can show some other guys at work in the morning.

Posted: 5/2/2011 1:44:51 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
That doesn't really answer why competition shooters used one hand, though.

You have to go back to the development of the pistol - it was always simply thought of as a one hand weapon. As the technology got to where multiple shots were feasible, the mindset never caught up. The weaver/cooper revolution really overcame an ingrained mental block.

Well, if you're going to go THAT far back in history, the handgun was taught one-handed because it was presumed that you were holding the reins in the other hand. I didn't think we were discussing military mounted handgun use.

We weren't.

But the one-handed use of such weapons was taught outside of that context as well. Even the design of the things were as one-handed weapons.

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