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Posted: 4/29/2011 5:25:39 AM EDT
Look at his radio, Holy shit.



Fundamentals are still there though. Cool video.




Link Posted: 4/29/2011 5:46:14 AM EDT
off the hip with the shot gun ftw lol





cool video so far
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 5:57:04 AM EDT
Surprisingly good.


I guess being tactical isn't new and isn't defined by oakleys, padded gloves, and cargo pants.



ETA:

During the "electronic range walk:"  Look how the pair's demeanor changes as they empty their shells.  Was this what lead to the events that triggered changes in loading/unloading?
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 6:03:57 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 6:09:48 AM EDT
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Dumping the empties into your hand.


They'd never actually pick up their empties in a real fight, right?

So there's a lot to criticize in the video with the benefit of hindsight, but it's still an interesting look at the training of the day.

Remember kids, always crowd your cover. :-)

Link Posted: 4/29/2011 6:15:37 AM EDT
Thats it, I'm growing a mustache!
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 6:31:57 AM EDT
lol at the bitch slap!!
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 6:47:27 AM EDT



Quoted:


Thats it, I'm growing a mustache!


70's porn. FTW

 
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 6:59:17 AM EDT



Quoted:



Quoted:

Dumping the empties into your hand.




They'd never actually pick up their empties in a real fight, right?



So there's a lot to criticize in the video with the benefit of hindsight, but it's still an interesting look at the training of the day.



Remember kids, always crowd your cover. :-)






I was told a story a long time ago about some Troopers that got into a fire fight with some bad guys. Troopers ended up getting killed, but next to them was a pile of brass from their revolvers. They were taught to empty into their hands, to check for unfired ammo, and then drop the empties at their feet.



These two Troopers went back to their training. It was a sad story.






 
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 7:20:47 AM EDT
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Dumping the empties into your hand.
When my brother when through Training for the NCSHP back in 99', if they were caught catching an empty magazine, they had to run a mile or something like that.

In a street gunfight, empty magazines and brass are useless.
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 7:21:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/29/2011 7:32:05 AM EDT
Tag, tag, tag, tag, taggity tag tag tag.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 4:46:20 AM EDT
Make sure you're wearing your hat.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 5:23:45 AM EDT
That first cop is clairvoyant.  When told by the store owner, "Young kid with a gun,"  he automatically knew it was a white mail with a red plaid jacket.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 5:41:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 7:17:40 AM EDT
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That first cop is clairvoyant.  When told by the store owner, "Young kid with a gun,"  he automatically knew it was a white mail with a red plaid jacket.




Not clairvoyant, just racist. If you've been on the street long enough you'll know that only young white males rob liquor stores while wearing red plaid jackets.



I noticed catching the empty brass too. Its a shame most training manuals are written in blood.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 8:30:55 AM EDT
That was a very good demonstration of ricochets traveling parallel to surfaces, I don't believe I've seen it shown so clearly before.  

That guy on the pistol course around 10:40 was whipping the hell out of his muzzle on the draw.

Why was a two handed grip verbotten until the Weaver/Cooper revolution?  Nobody was doing anything useful with their weak hand, you'd think a two handed grip would be natural.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 8:34:31 AM EDT
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Why was a two handed grip verbotten until the Weaver/Cooper revolution?  Nobody was doing anything useful with their weak hand, you'd think a two handed grip would be natural.


Because, among other reasons,  when doctrine was being formulated in the early days of formalized training, the SME's were competitive shooters. Thats how they did it in competition, so thats how PPC was taught.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 8:46:06 AM EDT
I like point shooting
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 9:23:32 AM EDT
Very interesting.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 9:28:50 AM EDT
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Thats it, I'm growing a mustache!




The ladies love "The Tickler".
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 9:35:45 AM EDT
I love how the husband slaps his wife down right before he grabs his gun and shoots on of the CHIPS.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 9:41:18 AM EDT





Quoted:





Quoted:


Dumping the empties into your hand.






They'd never actually pick up their empties in a real fight, right?





So there's a lot to criticize in the video with the benefit of hindsight, but it's still an interesting look at the training of the day.





Remember kids, always crowd your cover. :-)








I remember reading somewhere (maybe here, not sure) of a LEO back in the day that did just that out of force of training habit. I believe he got shot while dicking around with his empties.

ETA: Should have read whole thread, beat by LTBeas.





 
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 10:09:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 10:19:40 AM EDT
Model 10 skinny barrel porn.  
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 10:35:00 AM EDT
Is that first cop Jesse jackson?
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 10:53:13 AM EDT
Great historical video

The ricochets against a hard flat surface I'm sure is very counter-intuitive for most people.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 11:22:35 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Why was a two handed grip verbotten until the Weaver/Cooper revolution?  Nobody was doing anything useful with their weak hand, you'd think a two handed grip would be natural.


Because, among other reasons,  when doctrine was being formulated in the early days of formalized training, the SME's were competitive shooters. Thats how they did it in competition, so thats how PPC was taught.


That doesn't really answer why competition shooters used one hand, though.

You have to go back to the development of the pistol - it was always simply thought of as a one hand weapon.  As the technology got to where multiple shots were feasible, the mindset never caught up.  The weaver/cooper revolution really overcame an ingrained mental block.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 11:58:10 PM EDT
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That doesn't really answer why competition shooters used one hand, though.

You have to go back to the development of the pistol - it was always simply thought of as a one hand weapon.  As the technology got to where multiple shots were feasible, the mindset never caught up.  The weaver/cooper revolution really overcame an ingrained mental block.


Well, if you're going to go THAT far back in history, the handgun was taught one-handed because it was presumed that you were holding the reins in the other hand. I didn't think we were discussing military mounted handgun use.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:19:18 AM EDT
tag for home
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 2:04:51 AM EDT
Think about how much fun it will be to watch the current training videos 40 years from now.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 2:17:13 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 1:22:24 PM EDT
Tag so I can show some other guys at work in the morning.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 1:44:51 PM EDT
Quoted:
Quoted:
That doesn't really answer why competition shooters used one hand, though.

You have to go back to the development of the pistol - it was always simply thought of as a one hand weapon.  As the technology got to where multiple shots were feasible, the mindset never caught up.  The weaver/cooper revolution really overcame an ingrained mental block.


Well, if you're going to go THAT far back in history, the handgun was taught one-handed because it was presumed that you were holding the reins in the other hand. I didn't think we were discussing military mounted handgun use.


We weren't.

But the one-handed use of such weapons was taught outside of that context as well.  Even the design of the things were as one-handed weapons.
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