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Posted: 12/4/2009 10:16:28 AM EDT
30 round mag in a good AR.....How long would it take for the average guy to empty the mag?

No bump firing.
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 10:17:10 AM EDT
5 to 6 seconds
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 10:23:01 AM EDT
As fast as he can pull the trigger. For me that's around 4.5-5.5 seconds.
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 10:24:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ftwm:
5 to 6 seconds

Damn I like that car in your Avatar.....Is that yours?
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 10:25:44 AM EDT
Fast enough that the handguards are uncomfortably hot to the touch even wearing a GI leather glove shell after three mags-no, we're not going to count the left over rounds in this just opened ammo can.
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 10:27:48 AM EDT
Fast enough to be considered a threat to anybody on the receiving end.
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 10:29:50 AM EDT
Are we just spraying and praying? Can empty a mag like that in 4-5 seconds. If I want to actually hit something, its going to be 10-15.
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 10:31:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 1Bigdog:

Originally Posted By ftwm:
5 to 6 seconds

Damn I like that car in your Avatar.....Is that yours?


It was, until I traded it for something else.

I am currently building another one, and this one is a '49.
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 10:32:59 AM EDT
Fast enough to keep the Zombies at bay
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 10:48:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/4/2009 10:48:51 AM EDT by AR4U]
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 10:52:44 AM EDT
A fairly hard shooter in a sling, with good windage can put 30 on a man-sized sillouette at 500 and 600yds in 50seconds.
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 10:53:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ftwm:
Originally Posted By 1Bigdog:

Originally Posted By ftwm:
5 to 6 seconds

Damn I like that car in your Avatar.....Is that yours?


It was, until I traded it for something else.

I am currently building another one, and this one is a '49.

It looks like it should have a moonshine tank in the trunk.

Cool!
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 10:57:21 AM EDT
fast enough that quite a few people will think you're running class-III.
you might get A Visit.

Link Posted: 12/4/2009 11:05:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/4/2009 11:06:20 AM EDT by 1Bigdog]

Originally Posted By LowBeta:
fast enough that quite a few people will think you're running class-III.
you might get A Visit.


Thats the reason why I asked....

With all of the 5.7x28 threads posted here and all of the so called experts saying that there is a big difference between the effectiveness of a P90 and a PS90 because the P90 is full auto (as in that is why the SS uses them).......for some reason I do not think that there is much difference between 3 to 5 rounds a second going into a body versus 10.
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 11:06:49 AM EDT
87 rounds per minute.
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 11:08:31 AM EDT
actually 88 rounds/min with proper training
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 11:08:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 11:21:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 1Bigdog:

Originally Posted By LowBeta:
fast enough that quite a few people will think you're running class-III.
you might get A Visit.


Thats the reason why I asked....

With all of the 5.7x28 threads posted here and all of the so called experts saying that there is a big difference between the effectiveness of a P90 and a PS90 because the P90 is full auto (as in that is why the SS uses them).......for some reason I do not think that there is much difference between 3 to 5 rounds a second going into a body versus 10.


I've never been lucky enough to shoot a P90 and I'm sad to admit that my PS is neutered to 10 round mags ( really asking what the point is but I wanted one anyway) but the thing has no appreciable recoil pulling the trigger as fast as I can.It's such an easy gun to shoot that it's almost comical and most of those that don't get the original PDW purpose must have never fired one to realize that it really is pretty much a handgun for idiots.They weren't meant for people who pull triggers as their first order of business and it only takes one time firing one to see that the guy/gal who might have done a mag dump from their pistol in futility might actually hit someone and do some damage with the goofball FN.

Link Posted: 12/4/2009 11:24:00 AM EDT
If I'm hitting a target, it's about a half second rhythm. So about 15 seconds.
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 11:46:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/4/2009 12:33:02 PM EDT by SamColt]
I've been running the V-TAC half and half drill for a few months now.

final stage - 10 rds, under 2.5 seconds, 7 yds, A zone, from the low ready.

I'm down to a 2.13, first round .51 seconds, split average .12 seconds, 10 Alphas pretty consistently.

My goal is obviously under 2.0 seconds but I don't see it happening unless I can snap the rifle up much faster.

ETA: V-TAC 1/2 and 1/2 Drill
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 11:51:36 AM EDT
I like this video better Video
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 12:16:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By E-Mag:
I like this video better Video

Same thing I was gonna post. Prett damn fast.
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 12:21:47 PM EDT
I've done it in less than 5 seconds.
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 10:16:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By xdoctor:
Are we just spraying and praying? Can empty a mag like that in 4-5 seconds. If I want to actually hit something, its going to be 10-15.


Slowpoke. Properly slung up I dumped ten rounds in a couple of seconds into a 25m scaled silhouette, the ROTC cadidiot from New Jersey thought I'd gone auto (M16A1's) until he saw the big ragged hole in the middle of the target...
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 10:55:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/4/2009 10:56:48 PM EDT by Lympago]

Pretty damn fast.

Speed shooting


Link Posted: 12/4/2009 11:34:44 PM EDT
I can empty and reload a bolt action rifle around 850rpm, and I can empty and reload my ak around 1600rpm.
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 11:41:13 PM EDT
150 to 180 rpm
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 11:41:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 1Bigdog:

Originally Posted By LowBeta:
fast enough that quite a few people will think you're running class-III.
you might get A Visit.


Thats the reason why I asked....

With all of the 5.7x28 threads posted here and all of the so called experts saying that there is a big difference between the effectiveness of a P90 and a PS90 because the P90 is full auto (as in that is why the SS uses them).......for some reason I do not think that there is much difference between 3 to 5 rounds a second going into a body versus 10.


Most people are wrong. The diffrence is ammo. AP will do a whole hell of a lot more damage then a sporter/varmint round. Most the time If you can get a P90, you can get the ammo to go with it.
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 11:44:27 PM EDT
Shoot Off in IPSC European Rifle Champioships 2009 (Norway) http://www.takkumaki.com/images/ShootOffHowTo.avi

Other shooter was taken by surprise and stopped shooting to see what was going on...

Shoot Off winner is Finnish LE Officer shooting with Bushmaster 20" HBAR. He finished 3rd place.

MN
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 11:45:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/4/2009 11:46:52 PM EDT by ar10er]
Link Posted: 12/4/2009 11:59:29 PM EDT
I'd like to see an AR in Jerry Miculeks hands.
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 12:09:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Uberjager:
I can empty and reload a bolt action rifle around 850rpm, and I can empty and reload my ak around 1600rpm.


Might want to fix your typos there
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 12:28:13 AM EDT
I was pretty slow with my SKS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5mzhALy5Ww
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 5:40:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Uberjager:
I can empty and reload a bolt action rifle around 850rpm, and I can empty and reload my ak around 1600rpm.


we need LOL WUT pear
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 7:16:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/5/2009 7:17:40 AM EDT by Mazawakhan]
Originally Posted By Uberjager:
I can empty and reload a bolt action rifle around 850rpm, and I can empty and reload my ak around 1600rpm.


Im hoisting the BS flag! Cyclic rate on an AK is about 650 rpm!
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 7:20:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Uberjager:
I can empty and reload a bolt action rifle around 850rpm, and I can empty and reload my ak around 1600rpm.


Uh....what?
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 7:24:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Uberjager:
I can empty and reload a bolt action rifle around 850rpm, and I can empty and reload my ak around 1600rpm.


No, you can't.
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 7:27:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Uberjager:
I can empty and reload a bolt action rifle around 850rpm, and I can empty and reload my ak around 1600rpm.


m = month?
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 7:29:38 AM EDT
At the fucked up range we have around here, 3 minutes.
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 7:35:03 AM EDT
That's nothing, I'm so fast I bumpfire my pump shotgun

But seriously, I'm going to try those drills the next time I get some range time with my other shooting buddies.
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 7:35:43 AM EDT
1 round per sec according to my local range nazi.
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 7:41:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Uberjager:
I can empty and reload a bolt action rifle around 850rpm, and I can empty and reload my ak around 1600rpm.

Sign this guy up!



Link Posted: 12/5/2009 7:47:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/5/2009 7:49:33 AM EDT by ORIGINAL-Waterdog]
Originally Posted By SamColt:
I've been running the V-TAC half and half drill for a few months now.

final stage - 10 rds, under 2.5 seconds, 7 yds, A zone, from the low ready.

I'm down to a 2.13, first round .51 seconds, split average .12 seconds, 10 Alphas pretty consistently.

My goal is obviously under 2.0 seconds but I don't see it happening unless I can snap the rifle up much faster.

ETA: V-TAC 1/2 and 1/2 Drill


Useless training.

Static targets, known distances, no cover, no obstacles. Man-O-man, if I ever have to use a firearm for self defense, I hope the BGs are as disciplined as those targets are.

As for dumping max rounds for time, that is also a waste of time.
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 8:14:59 AM EDT
With my AKS-74 clone I can empty a mag in 3-4seconds. I have to shoot with my middle finger though, its much faster for me. Accuracy on the other hand is a whole different story!
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 8:31:30 AM EDT
If none of you guys own AOTTC 1 or 2 from Magpul Dynamics, get some. My adult step son thought they were shooting automatic weapons in it. I had to tell him that Costa and Haley are fast. So were the other guys in the 2nd half of 1 and all of 2.
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 8:32:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/5/2009 8:33:03 AM EDT by mike12345]

Originally Posted By peekay:

Originally Posted By Uberjager:
I can empty and reload a bolt action rifle around 850rpm, and I can empty and reload my ak around 1600rpm.

Sign this guy up!






1,100RPM Is 18 per second, nobody can fire 1600 considering an AK isent even capable of a cyclic rate that high
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 8:36:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By wormgod:
I was pretty slow with my SKS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5mzhALy5Ww



you could probably bump fire by holding the stock against your D cups to get some recoil bounce going.
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 8:46:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By M4A2_L073754:
Shoot Off in IPSC European Rifle Champioships 2009 (Norway) http://www.takkumaki.com/images/ShootOffHowTo.avi

Other shooter was taken by surprise and stopped shooting to see what was going on...

Shoot Off winner is Finnish LE Officer shooting with Bushmaster 20" HBAR. He finished 3rd place.

MN

Apparently, if you want to win, employ a finn has merit in shooting as well as in racing.
Link Posted: 12/5/2009 9:48:45 AM EDT
Pretty quick.
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