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Posted: 11/23/2009 11:12:33 AM EDT
Guess it has been there for a bit and this pic is rangers.



US Army Rangers engage Taliban forces in Khowst province, Afghanistan, November 2009. The foremost Ranger is armed with a MK 17 Mod 0 (SCAR-H), a 7.62mmx51mm assault rifle. This is one of the first photos of the SCAR in operational use as apposed to training.

Link confirming it is rangers here.

http://www.americanspecialops.com/photos/rangers/ranger-scar-h.php

Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:15:08 AM EDT
[#1]
Still hate the 'boot' stock!
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:15:14 AM EDT
[#2]
Using SCAR H's should stir the shit with the 5.56 apologist.
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:17:00 AM EDT
[#3]
What is this rifle supposed to do that a regular M4 won't do?

It sure looks a lot heavier, which seems to be the in thing nowadays, but other than that...?
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:17:04 AM EDT
[#4]
They're also wearing Multicam.
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:17:34 AM EDT
[#5]



Quoted:


Using SCAR H's should stir the shit with the 5.56 apologist.
why?  its one Scar-H and most likely a designated marksmen, just like the M14's





 
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:17:58 AM EDT
[#6]
cool
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:18:02 AM EDT
[#7]
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:18:03 AM EDT
[#8]



Quoted:


What is this rifle supposed to do that a regular M4 won't do?



It sure looks a lot heavier, which seems to be the in thing nowadays, but other than that...?


heavier where?  its mostly plastic



 
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:18:07 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
What is this rifle supposed to do that a regular M4 won't do?

It sure looks a lot heavier, which seems to be the in thing nowadays, but other than that...?


In this case shoot a 7.62, which an M4 cannot do.

Have you ever held one? Because the SCAR-L isn't appreciably heavier than an M4.
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:18:33 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
What is this rifle supposed to do that a regular M4 won't do?

It sure looks a lot heavier, which seems to be the in thing nowadays, but other than that...?

The magazine in that one is straight, so it's a SCAR-H in 7.62x51mm. Try shooting that in a M4.
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:19:42 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Using SCAR H's should stir the shit with the 5.56 apologist.
why?  its one Scar-H and most likely a designated marksmen, just like the M14's

 



Running a short/carbine fore-end with short barrel and a suppressor?

Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:19:46 AM EDT
[#12]
Is it really worth switching everyone over to this new weapon system?
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:20:02 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
What is this rifle supposed to do that a regular M4 won't do?

It sure looks a lot heavier, which seems to be the in thing nowadays, but other than that...?


Shoot 7.62 NATO on full auto with decent controllability and excellent reliability, while weighing LESS than an M14.  M4's don't do all that.

As far as the SCAR-L, its supposed to be an ergonomic and reliability upgrade.  Only way to know for sure is to put a bunch of them in the mountains and start shooting people with them, and see how they do.  You can only do lab testing for so long, eventually you need to put them in the hands of troops and see what breaks and what is an actual improvement.  They aren't going to "switch everyone over" until they get alot more data about whether the gun is a true upgrade and worth the cost.

Personally, I think we should field the best small arms we can lay our hands on.  Purchase a few less ICBMs, one less B2 bomber, and one fewer submarine, and put the best rifle possible in the hands of the troops.  If that rifle happens to be the Colt M4, well ok, fine, lets order a shitload of new ones to replace the ones that have been in combat since 2001.
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:20:42 AM EDT
[#14]
Shit did not notice that was the .308 variant.

good catch on that.

so 1 be .308 and can't tell if the 1 next to it is 5.56.

Just glad to see it being used.

Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:21:30 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Using SCAR H's should stir the shit with the 5.56 apologist.
why?  its one Scar-H and most likely a designated marksmen, just like the M14's

 


Actually, there's two and they're 'assaulting' a compound.
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:21:44 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Is it really worth switching everyone over to this new weapon system?

It was never meant for everyone. FNH designed it at the request of SOCOM for their guys.
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:23:02 AM EDT
[#17]
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:23:54 AM EDT
[#18]
SCAR-H



DO WANT!

How much are they, $2500?
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:24:39 AM EDT
[#19]



Quoted:



Quoted:




Quoted:

Using SCAR H's should stir the shit with the 5.56 apologist.
why?  its one Scar-H and most likely a designated marksmen, just like the M14's



 






Running a short/carbine fore-end with short barrel and a suppressor?



maybe they just like the heavy.  




 
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:25:35 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
SCAR-H



DO WANT!

How much are they, $2500?



Civi price will be in excess of 3K probably by a noticeable margin, and I'd hazard a guess the proprietary mags will be at least $50 per.

Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:25:37 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:

Quoted:
What is this rifle supposed to do that a regular M4 won't do?

It sure looks a lot heavier, which seems to be the in thing nowadays, but other than that...?

heavier where?  its mostly plastic
 


Basic SCAR is heavier then basic M4.
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:26:27 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
Using SCAR H's should stir the shit with the 5.56 apologist.
why?  its one Scar-H and most likely a designated marksmen, just like the M14's

 


Actually, there's two and they're 'assaulting' a compound.


yup nothing says Fuck you better  than a SCAR on steroids .308 will do massive penetration / damage to them mud huts and terrorists.





Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:26:39 AM EDT
[#23]



Quoted:



Quoted:




Quoted:

Using SCAR H's should stir the shit with the 5.56 apologist.
why?  its one Scar-H and most likely a designated marksmen, just like the M14's



 




Actually, there's two and they're 'assaulting' a compound.
you cant POSSIBLY tell whch designation the rifle in the back round is..






 
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:26:40 AM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
Quoted:
SCAR-H



DO WANT!

How much are they, $2500?



Civi price will be in excess of 3K probably by a noticeable margin, and I'd hazard a guess the proprietary mags will be at least $50 per.



Hmm. Makes AR-10 look like a bargain
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:26:41 AM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
Using SCAR H's should stir the shit with the 5.56 apologist.
why?  its one Scar-H and most likely a designated marksmen, just like the M14's

 



Running a short/carbine fore-end with short barrel and a suppressor?

maybe they just like the heavy.  
 


I would too, especially since I might have to shoot through something to put rounds on my target.

Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:27:50 AM EDT
[#26]





Quoted:



SCAR-H
















DO WANT!





How much are they, $2500?
I don't think they are. IIRC, FNH Isn't going to release the SCAR-H to the public.
 
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:28:38 AM EDT
[#27]
I don't think those are Rangers...
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:29:31 AM EDT
[#28]
I brightened and sharpened it in photoshop as much as I could so we could see details a bit better.  Since its a .jpeg and not a .raw I wasn't able to do any noise reduction.  Looks like the guy nearest the camera is using an Elcan Spectre 1-4x, and the guy on his left has something else, maybe one of the FDE Leupolds?

Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:32:48 AM EDT
[#29]
Nice.
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:33:36 AM EDT
[#30]
SCAR is nice. I typically use mine with a heartbeat sensor and suppressor or acog with gernade launcher. But recently i switched to the ACR. Its a lot more controlable.
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:35:08 AM EDT
[#31]
Can you shoot gernades with your ACR?
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:35:42 AM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
What is this rifle supposed to do that a regular M4 won't do?

It sure looks a lot heavier, which seems to be the in thing nowadays, but other than that...?

heavier where?  its mostly plastic
 


Basic SCAR is heavier then basic M4.


5.9 lb (2.68 kg) M-4 Carbine.

Guess the Rangers and all Spec ops Can handle that Actually pound in a half gain Wow big #'s

Weight: 6.99 lbs. empty (CQC)  SCAR-L 10 inch Version
Weight: 7.24 lbs. empty (STD)  SCAR-L course that be the 16 inch Version
Weight: 7.74 lbs. empty (LB)  SCAR-L 18 inch Version

big thing is here in the 7.62x51mm land notice the Weights of and recoil is still minimal.

Weight: 7.69 lbs. empty (CQC)  13 inch Version
Weight: 7.91 lbs. empty (STD)   16 inch Version
Weight: 8.23 lbs. empty (LB)  20 inch Version











Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:37:25 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Quoted:
What is this rifle supposed to do that a regular M4 won't do?

It sure looks a lot heavier, which seems to be the in thing nowadays, but other than that...?


In this case shoot a 7.62, which an M4 cannot do.

Have you ever held one? Because the SCAR-L isn't appreciably heavier than an M4.


Oh sweet!  Thanks for the replies guys.  I honestly did not know.  I was not trying to troll the thread.
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:39:04 AM EDT
[#34]
Quoted:

Quoted:
SCAR-H



DO WANT!

How much are they, $2500?
I don't think they are. IIRC, FNH Isn't going to release the SCAR-H to the public.

 



The SCAR 17S .308 rifle will be available in Q1 2010

but the 16S quickly went to 10k but has since settled out at about 2400 bux
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:42:22 AM EDT
[#35]
Nah, its a screenshot from ArmA II

Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:47:26 AM EDT
[#36]
I remember watching a video of a DEA raid in Afghanistan and one of the guys was using a SCAR... I'll try to find the video.

ETA: found it, the SCAR is at around 1:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-boImGp1UY
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:47:29 AM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
Quoted:
What is this rifle supposed to do that a regular M4 won't do?

It sure looks a lot heavier, which seems to be the in thing nowadays, but other than that...?


In this case shoot a 7.62, which an M4 cannot do.

Have you ever held one? Because the SCAR-L isn't appreciably heavier than an M4.



It just recoils more and has that stupid reciprocating CH.
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:47:46 AM EDT
[#38]
I'm hoping that gear all filters down to the rest of us here soon   That SCAR H looks like it would go nicely with my 240
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:51:33 AM EDT
[#39]
What website did you get this picture off of?
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:52:07 AM EDT
[#40]
I'm convinced.

I want one.
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:52:08 AM EDT
[#41]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
What is this rifle supposed to do that a regular M4 won't do?

It sure looks a lot heavier, which seems to be the in thing nowadays, but other than that...?

heavier where?  its mostly plastic
 


Basic SCAR is heavier then basic M4.


5.9 lb (2.68 kg) M-4 Carbine.

Guess the Rangers and all Spec ops Can handle that Actually pound in a half gain Wow big #'s

Weight: 6.99 lbs. empty (CQC)  SCAR-L 10 inch Version
Weight: 7.24 lbs. empty (STD)  SCAR-L course that be the 16 inch Version
Weight: 7.74 lbs. empty (LB)  SCAR-L 18 inch Version

big thing is here in the 7.62x51mm land notice the Weights of and recoil is still minimal.

Weight: 7.69 lbs. empty (CQC)  13 inch Version
Weight: 7.91 lbs. empty (STD)   16 inch Version
Weight: 8.23 lbs. empty (LB)  20 inch Version













I hear what your saying but the Military is currrently undergoing a large initiatve to reduce the weight that soldiers are carrying to make them more agile in theaters like Afganistan. Add weight no matter how seemingly trivial is going in the wrong direction. Small weight gains are amplified once you get above a tree line

Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:53:26 AM EDT
[#42]
I gotta admit, if I were over there fighting and my life depended on taking someone out without a doubt, I would want the .308 also. Some here may disagree, but to each his own.
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:53:58 AM EDT
[#43]
Anyone else see the "ghost' with green eyes on the far left?
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:55:42 AM EDT
[#44]



Quoted:


Anyone else see the "ghost' with green eyes on the far left?


2 of em



 
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:55:54 AM EDT
[#45]



Quoted:


Still hate the 'boot' stock!


No kidding, if they just got rid of that ugly ass boot stock, the rifle would look a whole lot better



 
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 11:59:16 AM EDT
[#46]
Quoted:
SCAR is nice. I typically use mine with a heartbeat sensor and suppressor or acog with gernade launcher. But recently i switched to the ACR. Its a lot more controlable.


Link Posted: 11/23/2009 12:00:11 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted:
What website did you get this picture off of?


military photos

not that it matters they do have large sections of photos of .mil stuff.

Link Posted: 11/23/2009 12:02:21 PM EDT
[#48]
Quoted:

Quoted:
SCAR-H



DO WANT!

How much are they, $2500?
I don't think they are. IIRC, FNH Isn't going to release the SCAR-H to the public.

 


Yes, they are.

http://www.fnhusa.com/le/press/detail.asp?id=74


For Immediate Release:
November 16, 2009
.................
SCAR 17S
Released for 2010 is the highly anticipated SCAR 17S now available for civilian purchase. Chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO (308 Win.) and slightly heavier than the SCAR 16S, this unique carbine offers long-range accuracy, exceptional reliability and match winning versatility.

Both SCARs have fully ambidextrous operating controls, a free floating, cold hammer-forged Mil-SPEC barrel with hard-chromed bore; a receiver-integrated MIL-STD 1913 optical rail plus three accessory rails for mounting scopes, electronic sights, lights, or lasers. The side-folding polymer stock is fully adjustable for comb height and has six settings for length of pull. The SCAR also features a tactically advantageous reciprocating charging handle for quick ammo and magazine failure response.


Also the black SCAR-L. Anyway, they've said online for a long time that the SCAR-H would be released. This is just the latest press release.
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 12:02:53 PM EDT
[#49]
Thanks for my new desktop.
Link Posted: 11/23/2009 12:05:58 PM EDT
[#50]
I'd use it if I was issued it, no way I'd pay more than 1k for one for a personal range toy.
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