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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:12:33 AM EST
[#1]
OC to a TH, you are going to get fucked in your ass like never before.
I strongly discourage this. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:13:31 AM EST
[#2]
Consider the leftist media will say right wing, armed KKK'ers or right wing Republicans are orchestrating dissent at those meetings. Better to appear as a dissenting leftist who doesn't buy Obamacare. If they think they're losing their own support base, then it'll swing them more to a centralist position.
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:14:30 AM EST
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Why, if you are outside the venue and on a sidewalk, and you are a responsible person - why not
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:14:34 AM EST
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It is my firm belief that a window of opportunity exists to forward 2nd Amendment rights while exercising our 1st Amendment right as well. During these town hall protests, I firmly believe that all protestors that can, should OC their firearms. As long as they are on a public street/sidewalk and not actually on a piece of property where firearms are not permitted (varies by state/city/town) – then I see no reason why protesting health care reform while wearing a pistol on your hip would not be 100% legal. Will the Popo be nervous? – yes, but as long as the protesters are knowledgeable about their rights and are protesting in a legal and non-violent manner – this is a WIN all around. I'd do it here in my area. This will be a great way to make many people unsympathetic to your cause. If most gun owners don't like OC, imagine how much of the general public will dislike OC at a political protest! |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:14:44 AM EST
[#5]
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OC to a TH, you are going to get fucked in your ass like never before. I strongly discourage this. This. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:15:21 AM EST
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Popo will make shit up to throw you in jail. Hope you have some friends/family/lawyer at the ready to bail you out and fight whatever bullshit charge they come up with.
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:17:22 AM EST
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Are you out of your freaking mind? We're already being painted as right wing loonies, hell Dingell compared us to the KKK. And you want to open carry?
Insanity. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:17:30 AM EST
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It wasn't that many years ago that OC was considered normal - The pussification of this country isn't going to change by pretending you are a leftist against heath reform. It's going to change when people see that responsible behavior is really OK and they can do it too.
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:18:30 AM EST
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Quoted: Consider the leftist media will say right wing, armed KKK'ers or right wing Republicans are orchestrating dissent at those meetings. Better to appear as a dissenting leftist who doesn't buy Obamacare. If they think they're losing their own support base, then it'll swing them more to a centralist position. Fuck all that... who gives a shit? You're opening yourself to all kinds of "terroristic threats" charges and shit like that if you go "brandishing" holstered sidearms. Seriously... any kinds of weapons at any assembly such as this will be interpreted in ways not in your favor, and you won't get much support if any from the sidelines.... as you can be goddamn certain the media and politicians both will crawl way far up your ass to paint you as a madman holocaust denier with grand plans of rampaging murder. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:21:09 AM EST
[#10]
No. You're just going to validate the leftards assertion about brown shirts and such. Choose your battles.
This is not the time or the place. You WILL damage our cause. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:21:35 AM EST
[#11]
Bad idea- it will be seen as being intimidating the opposition. CCW - fine, open carry no.
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:22:00 AM EST
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Quoted: It wasn't that many years ago that OC was considered normal - The pussification of this country isn't going to change by pretending you are a leftist against heath reform. It's going to change when people see that responsible behavior is really OK and they can do it too. In case you haven't been paying attention, we're in an era where freedom is not running rampant, shootings are happening every fucking day lately, and all of the attention is currently focused on right wing domestic terrorist white supremacist extremists. We are not in an environment where making two stands at once, by combining political protests and guns, is wise. I'm not sure those two EVER mix unless you're intending the kind of business that ends only one way. This isn't about being a fucking pussy, it's about having a brain capable of rational thought processes! |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:23:15 AM EST
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Not just no, HELL NO!
The left is already throwing everything but the kitchen sink at us trying to make something stick. Having a bunch of wannabe tough guys open carrying to a meeting with a member of Congress? Words cannot express the FAIL that would result. We are winning this fight, the most important thing to do is to stay on message and not get distracted by the increasingly shrill accusations being leveled by the Dems. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:23:30 AM EST
[#14]
Wow. No way. That is truly a bad idea.
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:23:31 AM EST
[#15]
Quoted: Quoted: OC to a TH, you are going to get fucked in your ass like never before. I strongly discourage this. This. Agreed. OC in a gov't building is illegal, and town halls are local gov't buildings... |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:23:39 AM EST
[#16]
I think that's a good way to hurt both causes.
Always remember and play to your audience. -K |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:23:44 AM EST
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It wasn't that many years ago that OC was considered normal - The pussification of this country isn't going to change by pretending you are a leftist against heath reform. It's going to change when people see that responsible behavior is really OK and they can do it too. I'm 53 years old. Never in my life has open carry been considered "normal". |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:23:55 AM EST
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I think that if in your normal day you OC - go for it. But if you normally don't carry or CC then i'd continue to do that. I don't know that i'd oc just to grab attention.
If you do decide to oc at these heated events, i'd strongly suggest that you use a retention holster of some type. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:26:34 AM EST
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I would go for the complete opposite of what you are considering. I think at this point in our country's history, these townhall meetings are the worst place to exercise our 2A rights. The media would destroy us over it right now.
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:26:38 AM EST
[#20]
One fight at a time.
All you'd do is give the enemy ammunition against us. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:29:44 AM EST
[#21]
It is funny listening to all the web warriors talk about "over my dead body" then, when something like that comes up where you can actually make a stand without violence people get all poo poo about the idea.
When do you think the lib media will ever be on our side? Do we really care what they have to say at this point? That said there might be some venues that OC might be a bad idea. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:29:54 AM EST
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Quoted: I would go for the complete opposite of what you are considering. I think at this point in our country's history, these townhall meetings are the worst place to exercise our 2A rights. The media would destroy us over it right now. That is one huge understatement. One man, he'd likely be railroaded head a'spinnin. If this was a group effort though.... the media's head would asplode. They'd accuse us of flat out provoking war and everything else under the sun. And shit, even to my way of thinking... I'd probably agree that bringing guns to a protest is interpretable as some sort of escalation. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:30:40 AM EST
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NONONONONONONO
the Loving, Caring, OPEN MINDED DEOCRATS are already calling the protestors NAZI, RACIST, KKK member and RIGHT WING EXTEMEISTS and teh PRESS is EATING THAT UP adding an open carry protest to it will only give them more fuel to the fire and a beat down by LEO for daring to do so,,especilly if there is a CONGRESSCRITTER within a mile of your local.. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:32:56 AM EST
[#24]
All it takes is one agent provocateur to bring along a gun and start waving it around and/or discharging it and gun owners are completely fucked
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:32:58 AM EST
[#25]
That's a very bad idea. All you would do is confuse the issue you are protesting. I predict it's going to become increasingly harder for the grass roots protesters to stay on topic anyway. Dilute your message and you are lost. What does open carry add to the dialogue?
Oh, and showing up openly armed at what already has been one of the more contentious issues in politics lately and expect to be cuffed and stuffed. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:33:21 AM EST
[#26]
this is a great way to give the MSM something OTHER THAN THE ISSUE AT HAND to actually talk about.
MSM ridiculing "dangerous" and "provocative" open-carry by "radical conservatives" = WIN for Obama (on more than one front). MSM not having anything else to talk about... except the ISSUES at hand (you know, "healthcare") = opportunity for Joe Taxpayer. Not to mention, it WILL blow up and people WILL get hurt, and it will be blamed solely on the "radical/racist conservatives," etc etc. I wish the country were different, but that's the way it is. Oh, and the first person to get shot (lawfully or not) will also be captured on video and used as justification for more "common sense gun control" in the future. Be smart - you know OC is asking for trouble in these situations, be a better man and avoid the fight. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:35:49 AM EST
[#27]
I'm not saying that there wouldn't be problems awith the media, but cherry picking our support for the constitution will just mean that Sotamayor and the other libs will rewrite it for us.
My position is still - If it's legal, then why not. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:38:19 AM EST
[#28]
Go for it OP. Just make sure you have a friend who can post here what happens, because you sure as shit won't be able to.
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:40:21 AM EST
[#29]
Inappropriate. One topic at a time.
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:42:09 AM EST
[#30]
Quoted: I'm not saying that there wouldn't be problems awith the media, but cherry picking our support for the constitution will just mean that Sotamayor and the other libs will rewrite it for us. My position is still - If it's legal, then why not. Because it's just a stupid thing to do. It's legal to cross the road, but stupid to do it when a semi is coming. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:42:15 AM EST
[#31]
What could possibly go wrong?
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:43:04 AM EST
[#32]
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I'm not saying that there wouldn't be problems awith the media, but cherry picking our support for the constitution will just mean that Sotamayor and the other libs will rewrite it for us. My position is still - If it's legal, then why not. Because the action will be used to further marginalize and discredit people speaking out against the health care plan. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:43:12 AM EST
[#33]
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It is my firm belief that a window of opportunity exists to forward 2nd Amendment rights while exercising our 1st Amendment right as well. During these town hall protests, I firmly believe that all protestors that can, should OC their firearms. That is quite possibly the WORST idea I've ever heard. Are you TRYING to hand the libs a victory? Have you not seen the press coverage this has gotten so far? Throw a bunch of people on some absurd OC crusade into the mix and it will get WORSE. Terrible idea. HORRIBLE idea. In Virginia there are activists who have openly carried to political meetings...and it's always been covered as some sort of threat by the press. State issues don't get that much play....you start sticking guns into the Obama agenda and it'll be all over the fucking news. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:43:45 AM EST
[#34]
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Why, if you are outside the venue and on a sidewalk, and you are a responsible person - why not If you have to ask "why not" then you really don't understand what is going on. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:46:34 AM EST
[#35]
Quoted: I'm not saying that there wouldn't be problems awith the media, but cherry picking our support for the constitution will just mean that Sotamayor and the other libs will rewrite it for us. My position is still - If it's legal, then why not. Because legal or not, there is some shit that you just don't do. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:47:43 AM EST
[#36]
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OC to a TH, you are going to get fucked in your ass like never before. I strongly discourage this. He lives in Vermont, they have the best gun laws in the country, no gun laws. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:47:44 AM EST
[#37]
In many states, I believe you could wind up getting charged with Menacing. It's like brandishing-lite.
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:47:51 AM EST
[#38]
Follow all State and Local laws, but exercise your RIGHTS.
If you don't exercise your Rights, you will lose them. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:48:56 AM EST
[#39]
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OC to a TH, you are going to get fucked in your ass like never before. I strongly discourage this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX1YzS_CYIw&feature=player_embedded |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:48:57 AM EST
[#40]
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It is my firm belief that a window of opportunity exists to forward 2nd Amendment rights while exercising our 1st Amendment right as well. During these town hall protests, I firmly believe that all protestors that can, should OC their firearms. That is quite possibly the WORST idea I've ever heard. Are you TRYING to hand the libs a victory? Have you not seen the press coverage this has gotten so far? Throw a bunch of people on some absurd OC crusade into the mix and it will get WORSE. Terrible idea. HORRIBLE idea. In Virginia there are activists who have openly carried to political meetings...and it's always been covered as some sort of threat by the press. State issues don't get that much play....you start sticking guns into the Obama agenda and it'll be all over the fucking news. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:49:07 AM EST
[#41]
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I'm not saying that there wouldn't be problems awith the media, but cherry picking our support for the constitution will just mean that Sotamayor and the other libs will rewrite it for us. My position is still - If it's legal, then why not. Nobody is "cherry picking" anything. Politics is a game, not unlike football. When your stated goal is to beat your opponent it is pretty fucking stupid to hand them ready-made propaganda material. THAT is "why not". It is legal to show up at these protests with big signs that call Barack Obama the N word....it is also beyond fucking stupid to do it IF your goal is actually winning. If your goal is to draw attention to yourself, the N word or openly displaying a firearm will work beautifully. Remember that Obama campaign office with a big glorious portrait of Che Guevara in it? Remember how little press coverage that got? The exact inverse will happen if some assclown shows up to one of these town hall things openly carrying a gun. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:49:36 AM EST
[#42]
Talking about shooting oneself in the foot!
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:49:42 AM EST
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No. You're just going to validate the leftards assertion about brown shirts and such. Choose your battles. This is not the time or the place. You WILL damage our cause. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDIkpY6QsQU |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:51:48 AM EST
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OC to a TH, you are going to get fucked in your ass like never before. I strongly discourage this. He lives in Vermont, they have the best gun laws in the country, no gun laws. Fuckin' A right - All states should have VT's laws. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:52:42 AM EST
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I'm not saying that there wouldn't be problems awith the media, but cherry picking our support for the constitution will just mean that Sotamayor and the other libs will rewrite it for us. My position is still - If it's legal, then why not. Nobody is "cherry picking" anything. Politics is a game, not unlike football. When your stated goal is to beat your opponent it is pretty fucking stupid to hand them ready-made propaganda material. THAT is "why not". It is legal to show up at these protests with big signs that call Barack Obama the N word....it is also beyond fucking stupid to do it IF your goal is actually winning. If your goal is to draw attention to yourself, the N word or openly displaying a firearm will work beautifully. Remember that Obama campaign office with a big glorious portrait of Che Guevara in it? Remember how little press coverage that got? The exact inverse will happen if some assclown shows up to one of these town hall things openly carrying a gun. Do we really care what they think of us? Maybe we should just join Rosa Parks at the back of the bus when it comes to our Rights. Is that what you are saying? If it's LEGAL, do it. If it's a Right, exercise it. Period. Anyone calling you names for doing so IS THE ENEMY of everything this Country is supposed to stand for. It's the SAME fight. Us against them. Right against Wrong. Freedom against Tyranny. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:54:07 AM EST
[#46]
Why don't you stay home so you don't make the rest of us look like nutjobs?
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:54:53 AM EST
[#47]
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Why don't you stay home so you don't make the rest of us look like nutjobs? Yeah, because staying home has always been a winning strategy. 
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:55:18 AM EST
[#48]
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Do we really care what they think of us? Maybe we should just join Rosa Parks at the back of the bus when it comes to our Rights. Is that what you are saying? If it's LEGAL, do it. If it's a Right, exercise it. Period. Anyone calling you names for doing so IS THE ENEMY of everything this Country is supposed to stand for. It's the SAME fight. Us against them. Right against Wrong. Freedom against Tyranny. You pretty much have to be autistic to not realize the way people might interpret bringing guns to a protest |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:56:59 AM EST
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Do we really care what they think of us? THEY are not the target audience. Propaganda isn't about convincing the die-hards, dude.... Maybe we should just join Rosa Parks at the back of the bus when it comes to our Rights. Is that what you are saying? If you think that 40 years from now they'll lie you in state when you die because of your "courage" on the OC issue, you're living in a fantasy land. If it's LEGAL, do it. If it's a Right, exercise it. Period. Anyone calling you names for doing so IS THE ENEMY of everything this Country is supposed to stand for. Then run around shouting the N word too! Free speech is a right, right? Exercise it!! Woo-hoo!! What can possibly go wrong??? It's the SAME fight. Us against them. Right against Wrong. Freedom against Tyranny. ....stupidity versus reality. If you can't grasp how bad of an idea it is to inject open carry into a situation like the healthcare town hall meetings, then you shouldn't be playing this game. Doing things that make it HARDER for you to win the game is stupid. Period. |
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Posted: 8/11/2009 5:58:11 AM EST
[#50]
There's a brainstorm, show up at some Democtrat Senator's forum open carrying. I bet that turns out well.
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