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Posted: 7/23/2009 5:34:49 AM EST

Copied this from Fark. randomly checked some of them, seems legit to me.

That fucking bill is SCARY.



• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

TXL
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 5:37:08 AM EST
STOP READING!!!
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 5:39:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By TxLewis:

Copied this from Fark. randomly checked some of them, seems legit to me.

That fucking bill is SCARY.



• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

TXL


besides all of the other unmitigated BS, i forsee lots of banks going under when ALL of their deposits are withdrawn.

Link Posted: 7/23/2009 5:47:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
STOP READING!!!


And thinking as well.

TXL
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 5:50:49 AM EST
And Liberals complained the patriot act was an invasion of privacy

Link Posted: 7/23/2009 5:51:44 AM EST
Waterloo, indeed...

So, where's Wellington...

Sen Thune? Do the boots fit?
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 5:55:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Waterloo, indeed...

So, where's Wellington...

Sen Thune? Do the boots fit?


No shit. If those are all substantiated claims, and they actually are in the bill... those are some pretty bold moves.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 6:07:24 AM EST
i predict a rise in AARP trained suicide bombers if this gets off the ground.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 6:15:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By torstin:
i predict a rise in AARP trained suicide bombers if this gets off the ground.


AARP is pushing this shit like all the other libtard orgs.

Dumb fuckers believe what the libs tell them

TXL
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 6:22:37 AM EST
This shit is getting more ridiculous by the day.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 6:22:58 AM EST
You forgot a page
Originally Posted By TxLewis:

Copied this from Fark. randomly checked some of them, seems legit to me.

That fucking bill is SCARY.


• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

TXL


Link Posted: 7/23/2009 6:23:50 AM EST
Originally Posted By TxLewis:
Originally Posted By torstin:
i predict a rise in AARP trained suicide bombers if this gets off the ground.


AARP is pushing this shit like all the other libtard orgs.

Dumb fuckers believe what the libs tell them

TXL



I'm going to send this to a couple friends. Info is accurate? Scary if it is....I have a 3 month old and my grandparents are getting up there in age.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 6:25:24 AM EST
i don't have health insurance right now because i haven't been able to find work for a few months so the funds just aren't there. yet I still do not want government healthcare.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 6:37:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By TxLewis:

Copied this from Fark. randomly checked some of them, seems legit to me.

That fucking bill is SCARY.



• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

TXL


Can you hot link this from Fark please?

Link Posted: 7/23/2009 6:53:04 AM EST
Yes please provide the link you got this from.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 6:57:40 AM EST
Thank a DNC voter for this.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 6:58:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/23/2009 7:00:19 AM EST by CKA]
Is there a link to the 400+ page document that this references? I can only find a 407 page American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 6:59:34 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 7:01:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By wgjhsafT:
There was a thread on this very same thing yesterday. Have to find it....

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=902813

From http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html



thanks
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 7:04:25 AM EST
I hope this scares the private insurance into voluntary changes to avoid this shit. I agree that there needs to be an overhaul...I just don't want government dictators making all the decisions. If things weren't as fucked up as they are now, the govt. would not even consider something like this.

Where is the reset button? The nation's Operating system seems to have corrupted (pun intended). We need to reboot.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 7:12:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/23/2009 7:12:52 AM EST by The_Macallan]


49 million people don't have health insurance. Those that do pay way too much for health care costs.

This will help fix all that.

Obviously we have to do SOMETHING.

So just trust Obama.

Remember... he won.


Link Posted: 7/23/2009 7:17:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/23/2009 7:18:14 AM EST by Mcboogles]
Originally Posted By FreeFloater:
I hope this scares the private insurance into voluntary changes to avoid this shit. I agree that there needs to be an overhaul...I just don't want government dictators making all the decisions. If things weren't as fucked up as they are now, the govt. would not even consider something like this.

Where is the reset button? The nation's Operating system seems to have corrupted (pun intended). We need to reboot.


Bush=XP Service pack 1 Obama=Vista on release

Vista=Takes all of your resources and gives you bad performance in return

Link Posted: 7/23/2009 7:58:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By Jrock82:
Yes please provide the link you got this from.


www.fark.com
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 8:00:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By CKA:
Is there a link to the 400+ page document that this references? I can only find a 407 page American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.


http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-3200


From there, I went to the pdf link in blue

TXL
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 8:05:53 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 8:19:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By TxLewis:
Originally Posted By Jrock82:
Yes please provide the link you got this from.


www.fark.com


Link Posted: 7/23/2009 8:31:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By TxLewis:

Copied this from Fark. randomly checked some of them, seems legit to me.

That fucking bill is SCARY.



• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure! Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

TXL



Other than the parts I struck through, I have no problem with that.






Seriously, though - my full reaction would violate the CoC here.



Link Posted: 7/23/2009 8:32:43 AM EST
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:


Remember... he won.





That's the scariest part of all. A majority of people who live and vote in America (dare I call them Americans?) voted for him.

Link Posted: 7/23/2009 8:35:07 AM EST
I have the 7142009 copy of HR Bill 3200 downloaded and some of the pages/sections in TXL's post don't match what's in the document (or between the lines). I'm interested in learning which version this came from.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 8:35:26 AM EST
Holy shit that is some scarry stuff.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 8:37:33 AM EST
tagged for updates to the list of gotcha's
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 8:37:59 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 8:42:53 AM EST
Originally Posted By TheRocketmac:
I have the 7142009 copy of HR Bill 3200 downloaded and some of the pages/sections in TXL's post don't match what's in the document (or between the lines). I'm interested in learning which version this came from.


Ditto. The problem is that this bill is constantly being amended, so it would be more useful to reference section & paragraph numbers rather than page numbers.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 8:50:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By mattellis2:
Originally Posted By TxLewis:

• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
besides all of the other unmitigated BS, i forsee lots of banks going under when ALL of their deposits are withdrawn.

I would have an account somewhere so I could cash my paychecks - and I mean *cash* my paychecks. I won't accept PayPal because of the control they demand over a checking account––and I could always open a separate account just for PayPal. With these assholes, there's no "separate account" workaround.

My savings would go into non-FDIC insured vehicles (bonds, etc. - and I'm not talking US Savings Bonds) or simply into a safe at the house. I'd empty my 401(k), penalties be damned, and opt out at work.

Evil cocksuckers will ruin this country yet.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 8:53:03 AM EST
The original is here.

Interesting sidenote from a physician:

There is plenty of talk today about the broken medical care system, inefficiency and waste and the prospects of government-planned better quality and how a more accomplished central planning effort and more rules will create better care at a lower price. All the yakking is a distraction. Even the providers, who know the truth, will join the government plan to save, short term, their economic status. Some hope to maneuver a place on the planning committee and receive favorable payment treatment. They also recognize political pressure and know it's a dance; planning doesn't control silly overuse and lack of economic incentives. They know the system will never be sensible until people start paying their own bills for service. However they also aren't inclined to blurt out the truth to guys with an attitude.


...

The vast majority of the uninsured do not need care –– they are young and healthy or they would already be in the safety net. There is no uninsured crisis. The cost of uninsured care in the United States is less than 50 billion, much less, because the bill of 120 billion is a bill of lost income, not cost. Cost is half of that–– 40 to 50 billion, and the uninsured pay 40 or 50 billion, so one might call uninsured care a wash. It's not forbidden to pay for healthcare with cash money, is it?

So the cost of uninsured care is 2 percent of the total cost of American health care. The studies show that they don't suffer ill health because of lack of insurance –– that is another shibboleth put out by the left. Lack of insurance is not a disease I know.

To address another obsession of the public and politicians, encouraged by my whining emergency physician colleagues, the uninsured who go to the emergency department are not that big a problem. In fact the total cost for emergency care in America uninsured, and insured, is 120 million visits at a cost of less than 1000 dollars per visit. That is well less than 5 % of the 2 trillion plus total cost of healthcare in the US. So the crisis is?

So two phony crises are enough to take down the whole system and reconstruct it, and put it in the hands of the organization that gave us the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, the VA, the Post Office, the Department of Education, or the EPA and the Department of Energy and the Department of Commerce. Is there a czar of national healthcare?

The premium cost and affordability that irritates the devil out of the common man and makes it impossible to find real catastrophic, cheap health insurance, could be fixed on Monday next if the state and federal mandates were removed and insurance companies could get down and compete. My cheap-as-possible catastrophic policy with a 10,000 dollar deductible (yes you read that right, that's the way big boys buy their insurance) would cost me a lot less than 4500 dollars a year, since I have never, ever filed a health insurance claim in my life (I am not unique, some people, even doctors, don't use health insurance to pay their medical bills).

So the problem is that the federal government proposes in its Healthcare Highjack Bill that they will fix the cost of health care and make it cheap and high quality when they caused the problem? The same outfit that made healthcare insurance premiums too expensive and restricted competition across the country says they are the solution?

We need to start over and ditch the guys from Chicago, they're always on the take and acting like thugs.

Link
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 8:54:44 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 8:55:34 AM EST
Originally Posted By h3smith:
And Liberals complained the patriot act was an invasion of privacy

http://smiliesftw.com/x/bowrofl.gif


It was and is, and this crap is even worse.

I'll say it again––I am never again voting for any incumbent unless they can prove that they actively tried to repeal existing laws instead of constantly make more and more. What was it P.J. O'Rourke said?
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 8:56:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Waterloo, indeed...

So, where's Wellington...

Sen Thune? Do the boots fit?


Link Posted: 7/23/2009 8:59:14 AM EST
If this bill passes. There will be warefare in the streets.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 9:01:36 AM EST
Just heard on the radio that it's being put off till September at least. At least fark will be entertaining.

Link Posted: 7/23/2009 9:02:34 AM EST
Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:
Originally Posted By h3smith:
And Liberals complained the patriot act was an invasion of privacy

http://smiliesftw.com/x/bowrofl.gif


It was and is, and this crap is even worse.

I'll say it again––I am never again voting for any incumbent unless they can prove that they actively tried to repeal existing laws instead of constantly make more and more. What was it P.J. O'Rourke said?


"So when can we quit passing laws and raising taxes? When can we say of our political system, "Stick a fork in it, it's done"? When will our officers, officials and magistrates realize that their jobs are finished and return, like Cincinnatus, to the plow or, as it were, to the law practice or the car dealership? The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop." [P.J. O'Rourke]

Link Posted: 7/23/2009 9:06:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By SplintNicket:
The original is here.

Interesting sidenote from a physician:

There is plenty of talk today about the broken medical care system, inefficiency and waste and the prospects of government-planned better quality and how a more accomplished central planning effort and more rules will create better care at a lower price. All the yakking is a distraction. Even the providers, who know the truth, will join the government plan to save, short term, their economic status. Some hope to maneuver a place on the planning committee and receive favorable payment treatment. They also recognize political pressure and know it's a dance; planning doesn't control silly overuse and lack of economic incentives. They know the system will never be sensible until people start paying their own bills for service. However they also aren't inclined to blurt out the truth to guys with an attitude.


...

[quote]The vast majority of the uninsured do not need care –– they are young and healthy or they would already be in the safety net. There is no uninsured crisis. The cost of uninsured care in the United States is less than 50 billion, much less, because the bill of 120 billion is a bill of lost income, not cost. Cost is half of that–– 40 to 50 billion, and the uninsured pay 40 or 50 billion, so one might call uninsured care a wash. It's not forbidden to pay for healthcare with cash money, is it?

So the cost of uninsured care is 2 percent of the total cost of American health care. The studies show that they don't suffer ill health because of lack of insurance –– that is another shibboleth put out by the left. Lack of insurance is not a disease I know.

To address another obsession of the public and politicians, encouraged by my whining emergency physician colleagues, the uninsured who go to the emergency department are not that big a problem. In fact the total cost for emergency care in America uninsured, and insured, is 120 million visits at a cost of less than 1000 dollars per visit. That is well less than 5 % of the 2 trillion plus total cost of healthcare in the US. So the crisis is?

So two phony crises are enough to take down the whole system and reconstruct it, and put it in the hands of the organization that gave us the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, the VA, the Post Office, the Department of Education, or the EPA and the Department of Energy and the Department of Commerce. Is there a czar of national healthcare?

The premium cost and affordability that irritates the devil out of the common man and makes it impossible to find real catastrophic, cheap health insurance, could be fixed on Monday next if the state and federal mandates were removed and insurance companies could get down and compete. My cheap-as-possible catastrophic policy with a 10,000 dollar deductible (yes you read that right, that's the way big boys buy their insurance) would cost me a lot less than 4500 dollars a year, since I have never, ever filed a health insurance claim in my life (I am not unique, some people, even doctors, don't use health insurance to pay their medical bills).

So the problem is that the federal government proposes in its Healthcare Highjack Bill that they will fix the cost of health care and make it cheap and high quality when they caused the problem? The same outfit that made healthcare insurance premiums too expensive and restricted competition across the country says they are the solution?

We need to start over and ditch the guys from Chicago, they're always on the take and acting like thugs.








That is correct.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 9:16:40 AM EST
Read this over the phone to a friend of mine.

After several breaks so he could stop swearing, all he had to say is "I need more guns."

Link Posted: 7/23/2009 9:25:16 AM EST
So... WHEN it happens, and the American people are taxed to shit, and doctors quit their jobs because they're better off at McDonalds...

Then we'll finally get that reset button on the .gov we've been wanting.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 9:27:32 AM EST
I don't really mind the part about real-time access to my bank account, they can't take what isn't there, maybe they can add to it for me....
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 9:29:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By TxLewis:

Copied this from Fark. randomly checked some of them, seems legit to me.

That fucking bill is SCARY.



• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 138: Anyone who has aids must not enter any pools managed by all municipalities and county boards.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

TXL


lol wut?
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 9:31:03 AM EST
It is good, that all this in out there, and in one place.

It is bad that the Dems are going to go out there, try to figure out how to strip out all of the most obnoxious stuff, and then still pass some Nationalized Healthcare Reform.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 9:33:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By Angelshare1:
Originally Posted By TxLewis:

Copied this from Fark. randomly checked some of them, seems legit to me.

That fucking bill is SCARY.

• Page 138: Anyone who has aids must not enter any pools managed by all municipalities and county boards.

TXL


lol wut?

You know what is sad? A LOT of people will be more outraged at this part, than the rest of this abortion put together.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 9:34:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By TerribleTom:

Originally Posted By mattellis2:
Originally Posted By TxLewis:

• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
besides all of the other unmitigated BS, i forsee lots of banks going under when ALL of their deposits are withdrawn.

I would have an account somewhere so I could cash my paychecks - and I mean *cash* my paychecks. I won't accept PayPal because of the control they demand over a checking account––and I could always open a separate account just for PayPal. With these assholes, there's no "separate account" workaround.

My savings would go into non-FDIC insured vehicles (bonds, etc. - and I'm not talking US Savings Bonds) or simply into a safe at the house. I'd empty my 401(k), penalties be damned, and opt out at work.

Evil cocksuckers will ruin this country yet.


That sounds good and all but your plan with the 401K isn't going to work out since you can only take a full withdrawal once you're 55 and retired, 59 1/2 or no longer employed with the company. Since you mentioned the penalty I assume you're not 55 and retired or 59 1/2 so you can't just pull it all out.

Link Posted: 7/23/2009 9:38:06 AM EST
Where's the provision for a SWAT team, under Bill Clinton's plan they had a provision for a SWAT team.
Link Posted: 7/23/2009 9:41:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:


Remember... he won.





That's the scariest part of all. A majority of people who live and vote in America (dare I call them Americans?) voted for him.



I'm not so sure of that. Yes, a lot of people voted for the fucker. But how many votes were the result of fraud? ACORN got sued by 14 states for massive voter fraud and was caught registering thousands of fake voters (dead people, infants, fictional characters, celebrities, etc.) and bussing homeless people from one polling place to another in many other states. Just how widespread was the voter fraud and how much didn't get caught? And who was counting all of the votes too? Remember, Obama is trying to put ACORN in charge of counting the votes next time.




In any case, it's looking more and more like I need to save up my cash and start planning to live off the grid.
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