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Posted: 11/17/2008 11:11:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2008 1:29:44 PM EDT by Old_Painless]
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:16:11 AM EDT
great info, thanks!
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:17:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2008 11:18:14 AM EDT by LuvBUSHmaster]
I like that sling! I gotta figure out a way to attach one to the buttstock of my 870...

Great write up and great pics as usual, Thanks.

Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:17:54 AM EDT

O_P you da man!
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:18:34 AM EDT
Thank you. Great, informative post.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:18:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2008 11:20:42 AM EDT by Red_Label]

All I need to practice is maximizing the sound of racking the slide. That always ends the fight right then and there. What does Clint Smith know?  
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:20:31 AM EDT
Tag for later study
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:21:11 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:21:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:21:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:21:42 AM EDT
O-P, you the man!

Nice write-up.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:22:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2008 11:23:52 AM EDT by kap_x]
Excellent write up, O_P.

You consistently churn out interesting, educational, and down right kickass reviews, how-tos and write ups. You're a valuable source to arfcom
Happy shooting
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:23:15 AM EDT
awesome stuff O_P

Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:23:24 AM EDT
Excellent post!

I do have Benelli M1 but now I think I need to go buy a pump action
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:24:01 AM EDT
Always a pleasure to listen to what you have to say O_P.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:24:23 AM EDT
Nice. Obvious stuff, but nice.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:24:54 AM EDT
nice writeup thanks.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:25:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

Some advantages I'd add (vice EBRs):

a) Sights mounted close to bore axis (more accurate shots at very short distance).

b) No pistol grip on standard models––better for weapon's retention.

Something like an M-1 carbine has similar advantegous, of course . . .
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:25:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2008 11:25:29 AM EDT by navvet89]
Nice post O_P, the general theme seems to be "shoot him some more"
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:25:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2008 11:29:22 AM EDT by leo6223]
I would offer this......

I know you say "not to scan with your muzzle" but sometimes you may "wish you brought your gun with you".

If you're looking around corners or in dark places..."bring your gun".

Oh, and it is IMPERATIVE to have a light.

EDIT:  forget to add this:  NEVER, EVER use your shotgun as an impact weapon or to "buttstroke" someone.  There have been two cases over the years where cops have either hit a door or a suspect with the shotgun and had it slamfire.  Remington 870's are especially prone to this.  I want to say it was an Ohio cop but during a raid they buttstroked a non-compliant fighting suspect and the gun went off....can't remember if it killed a cop or another resident of the house.   I guess you could say that goes for most guns––-they're not impact weapons.

EDIT 2 :  Thanks for always putting more 'gun related' topics in GD
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:25:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:25:53 AM EDT
O_P's write-ups always make my day a little better.


*Shooting is more fun when you know why you're shooting*
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:26:39 AM EDT
I like it.  It mirrors my favorite instructors mantra:

"Put a working, loaded gun in your hand and shoot the bad guy.  Repeat as necesary" "Really, how hard is it.  Even you should be able to follow that avslash"
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:26:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:28:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:29:01 AM EDT
Always like reading your stuff - good post.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:29:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By LuvBUSHmaster:
I like that sling! I gotta figure out a way to attach one to the buttstock of my 870...

If you're handy with a drill, all you need is the lug (you can buy at any Wal-Mart or K-Mart hunting section, sold next to the slings).  I prefer the magazine end caps with the lug installed in them for the front.  (Usually, need to go to a gun store for that one, or order it).

Oh yeah, great thread.  
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:29:20 AM EDT
O_P this post is curiously timed with my most recent acquisition I picked up today.

Are you, in fact, monitoring my purchases?  

Another interesting post. Thanks.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:29:20 AM EDT
O_P 2012!
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:30:31 AM EDT
Lots 'o common sense all bundled together, unusual for GD.

Well done
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:32:23 AM EDT
Thanks for the excellent write up
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:34:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ShadowAngel:

Thank you. Great, informative post.

Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:34:07 AM EDT
Thanks OP.  You are amazing.  Great organization and info.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:34:20 AM EDT
Whoo doggy, tag for a read after my test!

Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:35:56 AM EDT
As always great stuff Old Painless!
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:36:16 AM EDT
I find I like to keep my trigger finger out of the trigger guard when reloading from the shouldered position.  Its not a big deal, and I'm not a trigger finger nazi, and I'm not giving you a hard time.  I just have found that while your support hand is off the gun you have a much greater moment on your firing hand, which some new-comers will dangerously and accidentally compensate for by pulling up with their trigger finger.  You know what works for you, I just think it might be worth mentioning to learners.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:37:12 AM EDT
And, shooting stuff is fun!
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:37:25 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:40:09 AM EDT
Thank you O_P, for posting this.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:40:49 AM EDT
Great thread O_P

I've taken a Tactical Shotgun class earlier this year and going into it, I did not have high expectations. After the 8 hour class, I walked away with a new attitude towards the shotty and new skills for my tactical toolbox
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:41:16 AM EDT
I don't know when the safety comes into play, but if you don't practice a lot with a shotgun it's easy to forget the safety is on when it comes time to put up or shut-up.

Folks have been known to miss a nice deer or two because they shouldered the weapon and it wouldn't fire (forgot the safety).

Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:43:06 AM EDT
Good write-up and pics as always, O_P.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:43:16 AM EDT
Thanks O-P great as usual!
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:43:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By bbkiote:
Thanks OP.  You are amazing.  Great organization and info.

+1 Slug-O

Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:43:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Mountain_Snipe:
Nice. Obvious stuff, but nice.

I needed it.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:44:32 AM EDT
Hey O_P,

Is Clint (or any of the other instructors you keep in touch with) developing doctrine for the mag-fed Saigas?  Everybody I've met just runs them as rifles, but... they're not rifles.

They're neat guns that don't fit the traditional tube-fed practices.  I'm especially curious if anybody's come up with a way to do the Switch-to-Slug drill with a mag-fed system.
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:44:36 AM EDT
Very nice O_P, as usual.

As Clint Smith always reminds us, "At short distances, shotguns will remove meat and bone".  

Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:44:43 AM EDT
Did I miss it? were is your light?
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:44:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/17/2008 11:47:29 AM EDT by mhoffman]
O_P again, doing what he does best -


 I can tell you all of that is exactly what they trained us to do in the Criminal Justice Academy.  Spot on!


ETA: If I may ride on the coat-tails for a few seconds ––

If a purpose of your shotgun is going to be home defense, you should definitely consider a barrel with rifle sights, and put night sights on them.  A flashlight will do a good job illuminating down range, but this is still meaningless unless you can find your sights.  NS will help you acquire them much faster.

Remington 870 will meet ALL these needs
Link Posted: 11/17/2008 11:45:33 AM EDT
O_P you are truly a great asset to both Arfcom and and the shooting community as a whole.
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