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CMMG Joined Feb 2001 Posts 13598 EE Offline MO, USA	Posted: 5/15/2008 7:14:39 PM EST It just passed our house 142:1 and passed the senate last week 30:4 Looks like 28August2008 that we can make, sell, own suppressors. We have joined the ranks! Jeff
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Posted: 5/15/2008 7:16:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By CMMG:
It just passed our house 142:1 and passed the senate last week 30:4

Looks like 28August2008 that we can make, sell, own suppressors. We have joined the ranks!

Jeff

But can ya use them in yer state?
Here in WA it's wierd, we can do all the same things you guys can now, EXCEPT actually use one inside the state. We gotta go to OR or ID.

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Chairborne American Abroad Joined Dec 2004 Posts 9981 EE Offline GBR	Posted: 5/15/2008 7:17:52 PM EST I thought that law only allowed SOTs to manufacture them in the state, and didn't have anything to do with peons owning them? Do you have the text of the bill?

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Posted: 5/15/2008 7:19:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By Chairborne:
I thought that law only allowed SOTs to manufacture them in the state, and didn't have anything to do with peons owning them?

Do you have the text of the bill?

anyone with an FFL

my C&R is pending...

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Posted: 5/15/2008 7:22:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By JBowles:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:
I thought that law only allowed SOTs to manufacture them in the state, and didn't have anything to do with peons owning them?

Do you have the text of the bill?

anyone with an FFL

my C&R is pending...

Even a C&R FFL? That's cool. Not really allowing joe six-pack to get them, but a step in the right direction.

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Posted: 5/15/2008 7:24:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By JBowles:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:
I thought that law only allowed SOTs to manufacture them in the state, and didn't have anything to do with peons owning them?

Do you have the text of the bill?

anyone with an FFL

my C&R is pending...

Even a C&R FFL? That's cool. Not really allowing joe six-pack to get them, but a step in the right direction.

Got to have a C&R to have anything NFA in Missouri.

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TX_CO4 Can you fade the gas? Joined Apr 2006 Posts 3703 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 5/15/2008 7:25:31 PM EST So you'r gonna give em away free to ARFCOM team members for the first couple months riiiiight...
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BigHunt Joined Nov 2005 Posts 231 EE Offline MO, USA	Posted: 5/15/2008 7:25:52 PM EST My guess is that there will be a whole bunch of people who suddenly decide to become "Collectors" stepping forward in Missouri to get their C&R License. I've had mine since 2004 in anticipation of such a law change, and also in case I ever found a smoking deal on any transferrable MG's.

Pitch23 Joined Aug 2007 Posts 32 EE Offline MO, USA	Posted: 5/15/2008 10:56:50 PM EST [Last Edit: 5/15/2008 10:57:15 PM EST by Pitch23] The way I read the bill, it allows C&R holders to own but not use suppressors. Exciting for CMMG since they get to manufacture but for the rest of us it's just an expensive "curio, ornament, or keepsake". Am I missing something?

andrasik Member Joined Jul 2006 Posts 1693 EE Offline KS, USA	Posted: 5/15/2008 10:59:19 PM EST Nice. Kansas just joined those ranks. 1JUL08
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Posted: 5/15/2008 11:06:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Pitch23:
The way I read the bill, it allows C&R holders to own but not use suppressors. Exciting for CMMG since they get to manufacture but for the rest of us it's just an expensive "curio, ornament, or keepsake". Am I missing something?

I really hope that's not the case here...

estoves Joined Jan 2006 Posts 144 EE Offline SWE	Posted: 5/15/2008 11:10:53 PM EST Still a $200 fee?

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Posted: 5/15/2008 11:11:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By estoves:
Still a $200 fee?

That's a federal law, so yes.

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Posted: 5/16/2008 2:19:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By Pitch23:
The way I read the bill, it allows C&R holders to own but not use suppressors. Exciting for CMMG since they get to manufacture but for the rest of us it's just an expensive "curio, ornament, or keepsake". Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing something. The law is now in line with exactly how it works for SBR's and MG's.

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evo462 Member Joined Jun 2006 Posts 3730 EE Offline MO, USA	Posted: 5/16/2008 4:09:48 AM EST Bump and thanks for CMMG's hard work

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Posted: 5/16/2008 4:11:32 AM EST

[Last Edit: 5/16/2008 4:16:56 AM EST by RockHard13F]

Originally Posted By Cavalry99:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By JBowles:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:
I thought that law only allowed SOTs to manufacture them in the state, and didn't have anything to do with peons owning them?

Do you have the text of the bill?

anyone with an FFL

my C&R is pending...

Even a C&R FFL? That's cool. Not really allowing joe six-pack to get them, but a step in the right direction.

Got to have a C&R to have anything NFA in Missouri.

Unless you have a 5320.20 and you are only visiting temporarily from another state. Ask me how I know.

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Posted: 5/16/2008 4:18:16 AM EST

CMMG,

Thanks for your efforts with this bill! I never cared about anything NFA related, as far as ownership goes, but this is one thing that I'm very excited about. Knocking 30db or so of my rifles report would be nice considering I already have hearing loss. That with plugs should make a lot of difference.

Now, I'm going to have to start reading up on things. My C&R is in-hand, just need to figure out what I want.

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Posted: 5/16/2008 4:35:47 AM EST

[Last Edit: 5/16/2008 4:36:28 AM EST by -Duke-Nukem-]

Originally Posted By Cavalry99:

Originally Posted By Pitch23:
The way I read the bill, it allows C&R holders to own but not use suppressors. Exciting for CMMG since they get to manufacture but for the rest of us it's just an expensive "curio, ornament, or keepsake". Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing something. The law is now in line with exactly how it works for SBR's and MG's.

Yup. If you had to have specific permission to "use" an item defined as a curio, ornament, or keepsake, nobody would shooting old Mosins and Mausers and Enfields now would they? Bottom line: use is implied with possession.

Excellent job by CMMG and a few others who were in on the ground floor of this thing. They had the plan, they had the money, they had the BALLS to put it in motion.

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ShamusMcOI Team Member Joined Apr 2001 Posts 6872 EE Offline MO, USA	Posted: 5/16/2008 4:37:03 AM EST Jeff, a big thanks to all the hard work you guys at CMMG put into this......
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hi-tech-rancher pro-gun-fessional Joined Jan 2007 Posts 1380 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 5/16/2008 4:39:17 AM EST [Last Edit: 5/16/2008 4:39:59 AM EST by hi-tech-rancher] As much as we like to complain, it is nice to see that there is evidence that the tide could be turning. A SCOTUS decision, and dodging Obama would put us in the dirver's seat....I hope. Go MO!!! ETA: THANK YOU CMMG!! And I am not eve from MO...
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andrasik Member Joined Jul 2006 Posts 1699 EE Offline KS, USA	Posted: 5/16/2008 7:59:06 AM EST Now the question is since Kansas just legalized these as well, and (hoping) MO legalizes them, will I be able to come shoot with a suppressor in MO without an FFL?
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Posted: 5/16/2008 8:05:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By andrasik:
Now the question is since Kansas just legalized these as well, and (hoping) MO legalizes them, will I be able to come shoot with a suppressor in MO without an FFL?

There are going to be some who disagree with me but we just had a thread about this in the MOHTF. Several believe that you will need to have some type of FFL to be in Missouri and legally be in physical possession of said item. C&R FFL is $30/3 years. No CLEO sign off for a C&R.

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Posted: 5/16/2008 8:08:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By Cavalry99:

Originally Posted By andrasik:
Now the question is since Kansas just legalized these as well, and (hoping) MO legalizes them, will I be able to come shoot with a suppressor in MO without an FFL?

There are going to be some who disagree with me but we just had a thread about this in the MOHTF. Several believe that you will need to have some type of FFL to be in Missouri and legally be in physical possession of said item. C&R FFL is $30/3 years. No CLEO sign off for a C&R.

It'd be a while for me anyways as I'm not 21 until next June. I just figured I'd ask.

Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in that grey twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.

yakrat101 Combat lawn ornament. Joined Mar 2004 Posts 1291 EE Offline MO, USA	Posted: 5/16/2008 8:09:19 AM EST Excellent news, I've been pining for this day to arrive. Now the only thing left on my list banned by MO is an M203.
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Posted: 5/16/2008 8:15:17 AM EST

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hip hip hooray!

hip hip hooray!

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WOW, MGs in KS, supressors in MO, and then IL in HELL.

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Posted: 5/16/2008 8:26:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lancair:
You could all move to New Zealand, no nasty suppressor taxes there!

Mail me one, will you?

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Posted: 5/16/2008 8:52:47 AM EST

[Last Edit: 5/16/2008 8:54:14 AM EST by EdAvilaSr]

Originally Posted By CMMG:
It just passed our house 142:1 and passed the senate last week 30:4

Looks like 28August2008 that we can make, sell, own suppressors. We have joined the ranks!

Jeff

A little bird told me CMMG had ~~something~~ everything to do with that legislation.................... NOW a law

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Posted: 5/16/2008 8:56:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By TX_CO4:
So you’re gonna give em away free to ARFCOM team members for the first couple months riiiiight...

As a Contest, why not?

The winner(s) would still have to cough up the $200 Transfer Tax. But so what?
The peons of Missouri will finally be able to boycott AAC! *rimshot*

This can show the Democrats that Gun Control will make them lose out on elections almost every time.

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Posted: 5/16/2008 8:56:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By andrasik:

Originally Posted By Cavalry99:

Originally Posted By andrasik:
Now the question is since Kansas just legalized these as well, and (hoping) MO legalizes them, will I be able to come shoot with a suppressor in MO without an FFL?

There are going to be some who disagree with me but we just had a thread about this in the MOHTF. Several believe that you will need to have some type of FFL to be in Missouri and legally be in physical possession of said item. C&R FFL is $30/3 years. No CLEO sign off for a C&R.

It'd be a while for me anyways as I'm not 21 until next June. I just figured I'd ask.

A C&R is really easy to get, easier than a CCW. I turned 21 last year and got mine finally, just had to wait a while for the paperwork to be processed. You will save more than $30 from website discounts and FFL transfer fees if you buy C&R firearms.

I think to cross state lines with an NFA item you have to get permission from the ATF first.

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Posted: 5/16/2008 11:58:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By m14fun:
I think to cross state lines with an NFA item you have to get permission from the ATF first.

Not true of suppressors and AOW's as I read it. If you have other toys, MG's, SBR's or SBS's then it's probably best to just get it all done to CYA. I have been an NFA reading MoFo today.

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Posted: 5/16/2008 12:35:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By Grunteled:

Originally Posted By m14fun:
I think to cross state lines with an NFA item you have to get permission from the ATF first.

Not true of suppressors and AOW's as I read it. If you have other toys, MG's, SBR's or SBS's then it's probably best to just get it all done to CYA. I have been an NFA reading MoFo today.

I thought it was with every NFA item you had to fill out some...form...thing.

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Posted: 5/16/2008 12:44:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By -GunNutJuell-:

Originally Posted By CMMG:
It just passed our house 142:1 and passed the senate last week 30:4

Looks like 28August2008 that we can make, sell, own suppressors. We have joined the ranks!

Jeff

But can ya use them in yer state?
Here in WA it's wierd, we can do all the same things you guys can now, EXCEPT actually use one inside the state. We gotta go to OR or ID.

You can BUILD a suppressor, OWN a suppressor, BUY a suppressor, SELL a suppressor, but not USE a suppressor?

What the fuck do they think you're going to do with it, use it for a paperweight?

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Posted: 5/16/2008 1:00:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By CMMG:
It just passed our house 142:1 and passed the senate last week 30:4

Looks like 28August2008 that we can make, sell, own suppressors. We have joined the ranks!

Jeff

Any plans on a CMMG suppressor?

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Posted: 5/16/2008 1:53:44 PM EST

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Originally Posted By EdAvilaSr:
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Originally Posted By CMMG:
It just passed our house 142:1 and passed the senate last week 30:4

Looks like 28August2008 that we can make, sell, own suppressors. We have joined the ranks!

Jeff

A little bird told me CMMG had ~~something~~ everything to do with that legislation.................... NOW a law has HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

ds762 Joined May 2008 Posts 3 EE Offline USA	Posted: 5/16/2008 3:15:15 PM EST [Last Edit: 5/16/2008 3:16:32 PM EST by ds762] . doh!

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Posted: 5/16/2008 3:17:04 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Cavalry99:
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:
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Originally Posted By JBowles:
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:
I thought that law only allowed SOTs to manufacture them in the state, and didn't have anything to do with peons owning them? have

anyone with an FFL

my C&R is pending...hat

Got to have a C&R to have anything NFA in Missouri.

NOT true! You may own Curio & Relic eligible NFA within the state with no FFL. IF it is a non- C&R item then yes, you must have an FFL of sorts.

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