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Posted: 1/4/2005 1:06:10 PM EDT
Hi all,

If the 50 cal is illegal in Califoristan why not reduce the caliber to .499 and beat the law? Perhaps a new rifle chambered in .499 is in store? All the attributes of the .50 cal, but in .499. Does the law say anything about the caliber allowance? Just a thought.

Added: How tight are the machines that manufacture the .50 cal? I understand that building a perfect .50 caliber bullet is tough and building a .499 caliber bullet is even tougher.

Am I striving for the impossible here?
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:07:30 PM EDT
That's very possible, and it's been discussed
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:07:41 PM EDT
why would they make a gun for 1 out of 50 states?
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:07:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2005 1:08:58 PM EDT by LHD]
Its called the .408 cheyanne.


Also .50 ae is actually .498.

Edit:  .50 bmg is actually .510-.512.  All the new .50 cals have to be under .499 or they are a DD anyway.  .50bmg is exempt.
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:08:27 PM EDT
1 state for now, but many to follow...
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:09:08 PM EDT
I'd prefer a .450BMG! Birng the old "forty five" essence back into power.
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:09:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2005 1:09:53 PM EDT by 50cal]
There are rifles being R&D'ed to chamber wildcat rounds based from the .50 BMG. They are coming, don't worry Ca residents.
The downside will be new wildcat ammo won't be cheap. You will need new brass formed and loads developed. For a while ammo be pretty pricey till adequate supplies get in the pipeline.
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:09:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 20iner:
why would they make a gun for 1 out of 50 states?



True, very true. Only one of fifty.

But it's also 12% of the U.S. population.

A large market.

Something to think about.

Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:10:15 PM EDT
I believe that the law is worded something to the effect ".50 Browning Machine Gun cartridges and similar dimension cartriges"  so I dont thing you could neck it down and get away with it.

now if you necked down a soviet 14.7 to .50 cal you'd be good to go from what I remember after reading it.  and about twice the power too!(and pain)
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:11:53 PM EDT
The new cartridges will be shortened and necked down 50BMG brass. It will pass muster with Ca DoJ. They already have.
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:13:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By operatorerror:

Originally Posted By 20iner:
why would they make a gun for 1 out of 50 states?



True, very true. Only one of fifty.

But it's also 12% of the U.S. population.

A large market.

Something to think about.




and .001 % if that 12% is into guns.
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:14:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 20iner:

and .001 % if that 12% is into guns.



Okay

Whatever you say.
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:15:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 20iner:

Originally Posted By operatorerror:

Originally Posted By 20iner:
why would they make a gun for 1 out of 50 states?



True, very true. Only one of fifty.

But it's also 12% of the U.S. population.

A large market.

Something to think about.




and .001 % if that 12% is into guns.



actually CA has more guns than any other state, it also is the biggest handgun market thats why you see things like loaded chamber indicators...
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:19:22 PM EDT
510 DTC European.

EDM Arms news

This is what will be available to Californians now.  The letter of the law states specific dimensions for the .50 BMG in regarding case sizes.  This new cartridge will not chamber in a .50 BMG rifle or vise versa.  This is how stupid our law makers are.
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:19:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
I believe that the law is worded something to the effect ".50 Browning Machine Gun cartridges and similar dimension cartriges"  so I dont thing you could neck it down and get away with it.



Actually, the law defines a .50BMG cartridge very precisely.  And if the gun you have can chamber and fire it, then you have a .50BMG rifle.  So if you make a minor change that prevents you from chambering a .50BMG into your new wildcat gun, then you're good to go.

But I am not a lawyer.
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:21:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sydwaiz:
510 DTC European.  EDM Arms news



At .510 caliber, wouldn't this be a no-no under Federal Law?
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:21:57 PM EDT
the .50BGM ban has specific dimensions for the .50BMG round.

All you need to do is (essentially, however more accurate than this) collar the chamber, and use a hammer to push the bullet back into the brass about 1/10th"

Then you've got yourself a .50Schwarzeneggar, .50Kortez, .50suckitfineswine.. whatever you want to call it.
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:24:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2005 1:24:56 PM EDT by ErinMT]
So just shorten the chamber and brass and you're good to go? Man, they put a lot of thought into this ban didn't they?
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:25:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By operatorerror:

Originally Posted By 20iner:
why would they make a gun for 1 out of 50 states?



True, very true. Only one of fifty.

But it's also 12% of the U.S. population.

A large market.

Something to think about.



Yo, Fab10

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:

Originally Posted By Sydwaiz:
510 DTC European.  EDM Arms news



At .510 caliber, wouldn't this be a no-no under Federal Law?


Are they automatically illegal, or are they just subject to review?
Wasn't there a post about a rifle that fired a round nearly an inch in diameter that wasn't considered a DD?
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:25:26 PM EDT
If they don't like it they can move. Kali would just outlaw the new rifles anyway.
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