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Link Posted: 10/25/2018 8:28:47 AM EST
Honestly I hate federal playing these fuck fuck games, I’ll just stick to my fiocchi 124 grain XTP it might not come in 50 round boxes, but at lease I’m not dealing with “law enforcement only” bullshit.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 8:35:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By hollywood387:
Fuck hst

Buy hi shok at half the price.

The post is a gimmick.

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No post in HST. That is old technology hydrashock, which sucks in clothing tests.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 8:45:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Dan_Cooper:
This whole argument is bullshit. Plenty of online retailers want to sell the 50 rnd boxes to the general public and selling more ammo makes any shelf life issues easier not harder.

This is about nothing more than Federal wanting to keep their margins high. They essentially are cutting out discounters to the general public for this product. It's their right to pursue such a marketing strategy but the consumer is also free to take their business elsewhere.
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Originally Posted By FedDC:
Originally Posted By barnbwt:
Do they not realize this is worse publicity than simply raising their prices?
Folks on arf don't get how this works-

Most shooters won't burn 20 rounds of premium ammo in a year. I have seen people at Bass Pro complain that they had to buy 50 rounds of something..."don't you have the small box, I only need 6"/

Second, Federal doesn't do huge runs of this ammo and it doesn't age well...it must be recent manufacture to satisfy LE contracts...so 20 round boxes are easier to fill. Recall that some duty ammo is literally unavailable, even to agencies, just because it sells out every single year.

Lastly, stores want shelf space and smaller boxes are what they ask for...easier to market and requires less shelf space with higher profit.

Thus...you get 20rd boxes.

Keep in mind, most shooters will fire under 20 round (TOTAL) in a year unless they take a mandated class. Most gun owners don't shoot at all.
This whole argument is bullshit. Plenty of online retailers want to sell the 50 rnd boxes to the general public and selling more ammo makes any shelf life issues easier not harder.

This is about nothing more than Federal wanting to keep their margins high. They essentially are cutting out discounters to the general public for this product. It's their right to pursue such a marketing strategy but the consumer is also free to take their business elsewhere.
This guy gets it! My first thought is online LE marked ammo is cutting into the BS they sell in the sporting goods store
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 8:48:54 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2018 9:11:11 AM EST by AustinAl]
I knew this was coming!

A company can't sell 50 rounds in one package for half the price as the same exact product sold in a fancier box with only 25 rounds.

It was just a matter of time before they corrected their practice.

Panic buy is now if you can find it.

HST at about 40 cents per round shipped is/was the best SD ammo available considering cost and quality.

Price aside, HST is the industry leader in SD ammo.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 9:34:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AZ_Mike:
If you are a previous Bone Frog customer the REORDER link in your email receipt will bypass the LEO Check!!! I just bought 500 rds of P9HST3 (124gr +P). Their price was up $2 per box from June.
I also bought 500rd of P40HST3 (165gr) from MASSAMMO.com with free shipping. The price was the same as Bone Frog 9mm with shipping! Their price has actually gone down almost $1 per box from June (and I had to pay shipping in June). No LEO check. They are out of stock on the P9HST3, BTW.

You need to check several (like 4 or 5 ammo search engines to get the best deals).

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Let us know if you get a shipping notice.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 9:55:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2018 9:57:37 AM EST by AustinAl]
GT has it.

Their price is pretty low due to their $4.50 shipping on 500 rounds. It may be the current lowest shipped price. They appear to beat Bonefrog when shipping price considered.

Box to check. No proof.

Curious to see if they will ship.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 9:56:58 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 9:59:01 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Tejas1836:
P9HST2, .57/r after shipping
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Too high, try GT and others first.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 10:01:15 AM EST
I ordered from GT and mass ammo early this morning.
Mass Ammo sent a shipping confirmation already and GT has confirmed my orders.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 10:02:28 AM EST
And I just got a 10% code for GT for placing my orders.
May have to place more ...
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 10:02:41 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AustinAl:

Too high, try GT and others first.
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Will they sell to non LEO?
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 10:02:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DieselII:
I ordered from GT and mass ammo early this morning.
Mass Ammo sent a shipping confirmation already and GT has confirmed my orders.
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41 cents shipped per 500 at GT.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 10:03:23 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DieselII:
And I just got a 10% code for GT for placing my orders.
May have to place more ...
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Code does NOT apply to ammo.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 10:04:32 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Tejas1836:

Will they sell to non LEO?
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Box to check. Wink Wink.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 10:28:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2018 10:28:38 AM EST by Tejas1836]
Thanks from Texarkana
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 10:39:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AustinAl:
Code does NOT apply to ammo.
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Originally Posted By AustinAl:
Originally Posted By DieselII:
And I just got a 10% code for GT for placing my orders.
May have to place more ...
Code does NOT apply to ammo.
Ahhh dammit , just saw that too .

Oh well .
I'll probably order more anyways .
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 10:45:11 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AustinAl:
I knew this was coming!

A company can't sell 50 rounds in one package for half the price as the same exact product sold in a fancier box with only 20 25 rounds.

It was just a matter of time before they corrected their practice.

Panic buy is now if you can find it.

HST at about 40 cents per round shipped is/was the best SD ammo available considering cost and quality.

Price aside, HST is the industry leader in SD ammo.
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Only 20 rounds per box. An even bigger rip-off.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 10:50:26 AM EST
The response from Vista. I have followed up for clarification


Good Morning,
Thank you for taking the time to reach out for clarification. We are not restricting sales of HST ammunition to anyone. We simply limit certain packaging configurations to a class of trade. All dealers have access to HST ammo.
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Link Posted: 10/25/2018 10:53:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By green_bullet:
The response from Vista. I have followed up for clarification

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Originally Posted By green_bullet:
The response from Vista. I have followed up for clarification


Good Morning,
Thank you for taking the time to reach out for clarification. We are not restricting sales of HST ammunition to anyone. We simply limit certain packaging configurations to a class of trade. All dealers have access to HST ammo.
Isn’t the 124gr+P only available in the 50 round boxes?
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 10:56:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FishKepr:

Isn’t the 124gr+P only available in the 50 round boxes?
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I have seen them in 20ct boxes at Cabelas and Walmart
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:03:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2018 11:05:52 AM EST by AustinAl]
Justifiable panic buy situation.

Federal pressure on dealers to require LEO docs may not apply to dealers with stock already on hand.

I am seeing the impact already with high prices and out of stock on sites that don't require proof.

Normal prices and in stock on sites that ask for proof.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:05:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2018 11:07:08 AM EST by 762AR25]
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Originally Posted By DieselII:
I ordered from GT and mass ammo early this morning.
Mass Ammo sent a shipping confirmation already and GT has confirmed my orders.
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Would have ordered from Massammo but they had no 9mm. I'm set on .45.

So far it seems the majority of retailers have either:

A) asked for creds to continue selling the 50rd boxes

or

B) raised the prices by 50-100% on said 50rd boxes

But a few stragglers have yet to implement changes.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:10:11 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Holdemdown:
They jacked the price up $10/box since August. Price gouging because of Vista's shit policy.
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Originally Posted By Holdemdown:
Originally Posted By AmericaJr:
SGAmmo doesn't care, they're got HST in stock.
They jacked the price up $10/box since August. Price gouging because of Vista's shit policy.
Wouldn't call it gouging, since it's still cheaper than the ass-rape 20 round boxes that big box stores carry. $30/50rnds

LE members willing to play go between will make a mint at $2/50rnd box or $20/1000rnd case.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:14:15 AM EST
Vista Intel Update! It’s bullshit but they posted this on Social Media: We are not restricting the sale of HST ammunition to anyone. We simply limit certain packaging configurations to a class of trade. All dealers have access to HST Ammo.

Class?! LMFAO
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:14:57 AM EST
Well lets see what happens with an order from GT. I'm running low on Win RA9T might as well get some HST while I can.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:14:58 AM EST
So no shipping notice for my order yesterday of a case of 124gr HST from Bonefrog,

but they did just send me a thank-you email for my repeat business?
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:18:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By rb889:

Wouldn't call it gouging, since it's still cheaper than the ass-rape 20 round boxes that big box stores carry. $30/50rnds

LE members willing to play go between will make a mint at $2/50rnd box or $20/1000rnd case.
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Profit margin too low for LE to risk their job. Not illegal but would be a problem if discovered IMO.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:20:09 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
I was always under the impression it was a excise tax thing similar to all the gun companies that sell guns direct to LE for super low prices.
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Negative.

Depts buy ammo by contract, and get contract pricing.

Individual officers sometimes get ammo allowance, varies by dept.

Other times, they have to buy their own, but get to write it off on taxes as a work expense. Never heard of an excise tax on ammo equivalent to $5 or $10 per 50 rounds...

Stores would have to pay that when ordering the ammo, I'd think, then figure it into pricing. Would've come up years ago if they were ordering LE ammo in bulk like that to dodge an excise tax.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:21:33 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Ghostdog1066:
So no shipping notice for my order yesterday of a case of 124gr HST from Bonefrog,

but they did just send me a thank-you email for my repeat business?
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they said they are busy, orders will take 1-2 days to process/ship. i ordered 124gr+p hst from them yesterday.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:21:41 AM EST
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Originally Posted By CavScout:
Vista Intel Update! It’s bullshit but they posted this on Social Media: We are not restricting the sale of HST ammunition to anyone. We simply limit certain packaging configurations to a class of trade. All dealers have access to HST Ammo.

Class?! LMFAO
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I like that they call LE a "trade" instead of a "profession".

That is amusing for some reason.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:22:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Ghostdog1066:
So no shipping notice for my order yesterday of a case of 124gr HST from Bonefrog,

but they did just send me a thank-you email for my repeat business?
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Bonefrog normally ships within just a few hours. They are very quick in the past. Your order may be under review.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:23:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Undefined:

I like that they call LE a "trade" instead of a "profession".

That is amusing for some reason.
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you must be one of those people that think police are civilians!

Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:24:32 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SurtrsFire:
they said they are busy, orders will take 1-2 days to process/ship. i ordered 124gr+p hst from them yesterday.
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Originally Posted By SurtrsFire:
Originally Posted By Ghostdog1066:
So no shipping notice for my order yesterday of a case of 124gr HST from Bonefrog,

but they did just send me a thank-you email for my repeat business?
they said they are busy, orders will take 1-2 days to process/ship. i ordered 124gr+p hst from them yesterday.
I ordered 500 of the 230 +p yesterday. Just got shipping notice
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:25:22 AM EST
Ammunition Depot has more than 1000 boxes in stock and they don't want shit but a valid credit card number.

Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:27:30 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RLunyATL:

Ammunition Depot has more than 1000 boxes in stock and they don't want shit but a valid credit card number.

https://i.imgur.com/HHPwpdJ.jpg
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and the price is pretty damn high thats why.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:29:01 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RLunyATL:

Ammunition Depot has more than 1000 boxes in stock and they don't want shit but a valid credit card number.

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and theyll have 1000+ in stock until they either lower the price or everywhere else runs out of stock.

aummintion depot has always had shit prices though.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:30:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By CavScout:
Vista Intel Update! It’s bullshit but they posted this on Social Media: We are not restricting the sale of HST ammunition to anyone. We simply limit certain packaging configurations to a class of trade. All dealers have access to HST Ammo.

Class?! LMFAO
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My caste does not permit me access to boxes of 50 rounds.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:32:07 AM EST
Because low life chicago gang types go out and buy top shelf HST self defense ammo to do a drive by with?

Morons.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:32:30 AM EST
Ordered 6 boxes from GT. We’ll see what happens.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:34:06 AM EST
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Originally Posted By WantsAnRRA:
Ordered 6 boxes from GT. We’ll see what happens.
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and shipping was what $2.50?

load up my man. you need better numbers.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:45:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By green_bullet:
I have seen them in 20ct boxes at Cabelas and Walmart
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Originally Posted By green_bullet:
Originally Posted By FishKepr:

Isn’t the 124gr+P only available in the 50 round boxes?
I have seen them in 20ct boxes at Cabelas and Walmart
Interesting. I don’t see 20 round box 124 +P on Federal’s website.

I’ll have to look at Cabela’s again next time we’re there.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:46:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AustinAl:

and shipping was what $2.50?

load up my man. you need better numbers.
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Shipping was $10.99

I have plenty stashed, ordered more out of curiosity than anything
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:46:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SurtrsFire:

they said they are busy, orders will take 1-2 days to process/ship. i ordered 124gr+p hst from them yesterday.
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I wish I had caught that the 124gr +P had free shipping for a case before I ordered the vanilla 124gr.

Don't want to rock the boat for now.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:46:30 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Haoleb:
Because low life chicago gang types go out and buy top shelf HST self defense ammo to do a drive by with?

Morons.
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Wasn’t the guy here who got jacked a few years ago shot by a thug with a j frame loaded with gold dots?

Can’t recall his name, but his avatar has a picture of the thug. Our guy shot him with a cbob I think. He got hit in the hands/shoulder.

@blitz308 maybe?
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:48:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Haoleb:
Because low life chicago gang types go out and buy top shelf HST self defense ammo to do a drive by with?

Morons.
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We’ve already establish that this is about profit margins, not ‘social responsibility’.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:49:33 AM EST
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Originally Posted By WantsAnRRA:

Shipping was $10.99

I have plenty stashed, ordered more out of curiosity than anything
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$4.50 for 500 for me
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:51:39 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RLunyATL:

Ammunition Depot has more than 1000 boxes in stock and they don't want shit but a valid credit card number.

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124s are supersonic. Screw that. 147s through a can are quiet.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:57:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By green_bullet:
The response from Vista. I have followed up for clarification

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Originally Posted By green_bullet:
The response from Vista. I have followed up for clarification


Good Morning,
Thank you for taking the time to reach out for clarification. We are not restricting sales of HST ammunition to anyone. We simply limit certain packaging configurations to a class of trade. All dealers have access to HST ammo.
I've let them know what I think about their giant "fuck you" to civilians, and I'll no longer be purchasing any Federal branded ammunition or primers.
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 11:59:52 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FIGHTNIGHT:
I miss rangers. Winchester did this years ago. They are pretty hard to find now.
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I stocked up 15 years ago. Got enough rebadged Black Talon sxt to last quite awhile
Link Posted: 10/25/2018 12:00:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By green_bullet:
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Interesting choice of words in their response.

Per Merriam

limit verb
limited; limiting; limits
Definition of limit (Entry 2 of 2)
transitive verb

1 : to assign certain limits to : PRESCRIBE
reserved the right to limit use of the land
2a : to restrict the bounds or limits of
the specialist can no longer limit himself to his specialty
b : to curtail or reduce in quantity or extent
we must limit the power of aggressors
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