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Posted: 2/3/2016 1:15:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/3/2016 1:39:45 PM EST by saigamanTX]
The guys at Two Rivers rebuilt this gun from a rifle that was smuggled back by a Gulf War vet and then cut up.....Sadly the barrel was cut as well so they had to substitute a G1 profile barrel. The gun was pretty damn rusty and the front sight parts were frozen in place. In the end the owner decided on a complete refinish. They added the Kuwaiti crest to the mag well and did some other clean up.

The original parts that are no longer apart of the rifle.
1.Barrel - Owner cut it up without realizing he didn't have to.
2.Original receiver (Machine gun....Goes without saying)
3.Bolt carrier (Lost over time)

Quite an uncommon variant which not a lot survived.



One that the soldier carrying it was not so lucky.
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 1:18:19 PM EST
Neat!
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 1:21:26 PM EST
What is from the orignal bringback?

I see mostly new parts.

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Originally Posted By Got_Guns:
What is from the orignal bringback?

I see mostly new parts.

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Most of the kit with the exception of the barrel and bolt carrier.
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 1:24:11 PM EST
Cool!
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 1:24:52 PM EST
So the barrel and bolt carrier are new.

And they rewelded the receiver? And they added DSA logo on receiver?

Link Posted: 2/3/2016 1:26:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Got_Guns:
So the barrel and bolt carrier are new.

And they rewelded the receiver? And they added DSA logo on receiver?

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No the original receiver had to be left out of the build. It has since been rewelded as a post sample. The rest of the kit was rebuilt for the owner.
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Link Posted: 2/3/2016 1:29:47 PM EST
We found quite a few FALs near the Kuwait City airport. I threw a few mags in my ruck to keep, we tossed the rifles in a business store front.
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
No the original receiver had to be left out of the build. It has since been rewelded as a post sample. The rest of the kit was rebuilt for the owner.
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By Got_Guns:
So the barrel and bolt carrier are new.

And they rewelded the receiver? And they added DSA logo on receiver?

No the original receiver had to be left out of the build. It has since been rewelded as a post sample. The rest of the kit was rebuilt for the owner.

First it was the barrel, then the barrel and bolt carrier. Now it's the barrel, bolt carrier, and receiver.
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 1:38:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:

First it was the barrel, then the barrel and bolt carrier. Now it's the barrel, bolt carrier, and receiver.
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Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By Got_Guns:
So the barrel and bolt carrier are new.

And they rewelded the receiver? And they added DSA logo on receiver?

No the original receiver had to be left out of the build. It has since been rewelded as a post sample. The rest of the kit was rebuilt for the owner.

First it was the barrel, then the barrel and bolt carrier. Now it's the barrel, bolt carrier, and receiver.
Do you know how part kit builds work? You automatically put the original receiver out of the picture.....ATF once a machine gun always a machine gun (It's sear cut) so when it's rewelded it's a machine gun receiver again and now it an illegal machine gun again as far as civilian ownership......Common sense man.
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 1:43:43 PM EST
Nice FAl.
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 1:44:48 PM EST
FS: Gulf War Kuwaiti FAL- Never fired and only dropped once
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 1:45:49 PM EST
so ....what exactly did this guy bring back except a bin of parts he mostly couldn't use for this build?


......an idea?




Sorry, but bringback is a stretch imo.


...well the carry handle looks old.

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FS: Gulf War Kuwaiti FAL- Never fired and only dropped once
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Originally Posted By Hyperformer:
so ....what exactly did this guy bring back except a bin of parts he mostly couldn't use for this build?


......an idea?




Sorry, but bringback is a stretch imo.


...well the carry handle looks old.

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Well technically they were full guns when he brought em back. He also had a Hungarian underfolder AKMS.

Link Posted: 2/3/2016 1:49:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Do you know how part kit builds work? You automatically put the original receiver out of the picture.....ATF once a machine gun always a machine gun (It's sear cut) so when it's rewelded it's a machine gun receiver again and now it an illegal machine gun again as far as civilian ownership......Common sense man.
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By Got_Guns:
So the barrel and bolt carrier are new.

And they rewelded the receiver? And they added DSA logo on receiver?

No the original receiver had to be left out of the build. It has since been rewelded as a post sample. The rest of the kit was rebuilt for the owner.

First it was the barrel, then the barrel and bolt carrier. Now it's the barrel, bolt carrier, and receiver.
Do you know how part kit builds work? You automatically put the original receiver out of the picture.....ATF once a machine gun always a machine gun (It's sear cut) so when it's rewelded it's a machine gun receiver again and now it an illegal machine gun again as far as civilian ownership......Common sense man.

I used common sense, and it told me that the more parts they replaced, the less of a bring back it was. Just sayin.
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Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:

I used common sense, and it told me that the more parts they replaced, the less of a bring back it was. Just sayin.
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By Got_Guns:
So the barrel and bolt carrier are new.

And they rewelded the receiver? And they added DSA logo on receiver?

No the original receiver had to be left out of the build. It has since been rewelded as a post sample. The rest of the kit was rebuilt for the owner.

First it was the barrel, then the barrel and bolt carrier. Now it's the barrel, bolt carrier, and receiver.
Do you know how part kit builds work? You automatically put the original receiver out of the picture.....ATF once a machine gun always a machine gun (It's sear cut) so when it's rewelded it's a machine gun receiver again and now it an illegal machine gun again as far as civilian ownership......Common sense man.

I used common sense, and it told me that the more parts they replaced, the less of a bring back it was. Just sayin.
Gotcha.

I wish the original receiver could be used and they could do a semi auto mod to it etc but sadly thanks to the ATF no bueno!
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 1:51:58 PM EST
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Link Posted: 2/3/2016 1:55:29 PM EST
Ill keep mine

Link Posted: 2/3/2016 1:59:39 PM EST
I'm confused? Is this rifle yours or someone else's?

What parts on the new build are from the original? The dust cover looks be new/replacement. As does the pistol grip. I understand on an FAL, 922r requires the replacement of the barrel, receiver, hammer, trigger, sear, piston and usually a part of the furniture or pistol grip. So its a Kuwaiti lower and maybe some Kuwaiti springs and a buttstock? Would love to see photos of the other side of the lower to see how those parts fared, as the lower prebuild looks to be mostly rust.

Thanks

Matt
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Originally Posted By Deadheadmatt:
I'm confused? Is this rifle yours or someone else's?

What parts on the new build are from the original? The dust cover looks be new/replacement. As does the pistol grip. I understand on an FAL, 922r requires the replacement of the barrel, receiver, hammer, trigger, sear, piston and usually a part of the furniture or pistol grip. So its a Kuwaiti lower and maybe some Kuwaiti springs and a buttstock? Would love to see photos of the other side of the lower to see how those parts fared, as the lower prebuild looks to be mostly rust.

Thanks

Matt
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Jesus that didnt take long
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Most of the kit with the exception of the barrel and bolt carrier.
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By Got_Guns:
What is from the orignal bringback?

I see mostly new parts.

Most of the kit with the exception of the barrel and bolt carrier.

And receiver....
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 2:05:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
You automatically put the original receiver out of the picture.....ATF once a machine gun always a machine gun (It's sear cut) so when it's rewelded it's a machine gun receiver again and now it an illegal machine gun again as far as civilian ownership......Common sense man.
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Except your interpretation of "common sense" is wrong. Once cut, it's no longer an MG or a firearm. Once rewelded, it's a new firearm. Weld up the sear cut prior to welding the rest of the receiver and it would be a legal, new manufacture semi receiver.

If all you wanted was a post-sample receiver, it should have just been left uncut.
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Originally Posted By Deadheadmatt:
I'm confused? Is this rifle yours or someone else's?

What parts on the new build are from the original? The dust cover looks be new/replacement. As does the pistol grip. I understand on an FAL, 922r requires the replacement of the barrel, receiver, hammer, trigger, sear, piston and usually a part of the furniture or pistol grip. So its a Kuwaiti lower and maybe some Kuwaiti springs and a buttstock? Would love to see photos of the other side of the lower to see how those parts fared, as the lower prebuild looks to be mostly rust.

Thanks

Matt
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One of the guys at TRA is a buddy of mine and I asked permission to post it. Actually it's not super bad. Let me see if I can find photos of the gun post re build. You can use a US mag (3 parts) Receiver(1 Part) and either a piston (1 part) or something in the stock set to count towards parts compliance.
Gun before rebuild.




Link Posted: 2/3/2016 2:07:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gamma762:

Except your interpretation of "common sense" is wrong. Once cut, it's no longer an MG or a firearm. Once rewelded, it's a new firearm. Weld up the sear cut prior to welding the rest of the receiver and it would be a legal, new manufacture semi receiver.
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Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
You automatically put the original receiver out of the picture.....ATF once a machine gun always a machine gun (It's sear cut) so when it's rewelded it's a machine gun receiver again and now it an illegal machine gun again as far as civilian ownership......Common sense man.

Except your interpretation of "common sense" is wrong. Once cut, it's no longer an MG or a firearm. Once rewelded, it's a new firearm. Weld up the sear cut prior to welding the rest of the receiver and it would be a legal, new manufacture semi receiver.
The owner didn't want it done like that (Too much cost) He would rather have had it rebuilt just to be on the safe side. The owner is the veterans son.

Also you have to prove when the now kit came in....The rules on Demil procedure have changed. 1 saw cut hasn't been used in a long long lllllllllllllllllllong time.
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 2:09:13 PM EST
It wasn't my intent to question 922r compliance, I am just interested in what parts on this are Kuwaiti v. new. I think 922r is lame.

Here's my FAL, btw.

Link Posted: 2/3/2016 2:09:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gamma762:

Except your interpretation of "common sense" is wrong. Once cut, it's no longer an MG or a firearm. Once rewelded, it's a new firearm. Weld up the sear cut prior to welding the rest of the receiver and it would be a legal, new manufacture semi receiver.

If all you wanted was a post-sample receiver, it should have just been left uncut.
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Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
You automatically put the original receiver out of the picture.....ATF once a machine gun always a machine gun (It's sear cut) so when it's rewelded it's a machine gun receiver again and now it an illegal machine gun again as far as civilian ownership......Common sense man.

Except your interpretation of "common sense" is wrong. Once cut, it's no longer an MG or a firearm. Once rewelded, it's a new firearm. Weld up the sear cut prior to welding the rest of the receiver and it would be a legal, new manufacture semi receiver.

If all you wanted was a post-sample receiver, it should have just been left uncut.

I always thought that reweld thinking was a grey area. Didn't some get into legal trouble with reweld M14 receivers with the full auto connector stud ground/machined off prior to rewelding?
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Jesus that didnt take long
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Originally Posted By Deadheadmatt:
I'm confused? Is this rifle yours or someone else's?

What parts on the new build are from the original? The dust cover looks be new/replacement. As does the pistol grip. I understand on an FAL, 922r requires the replacement of the barrel, receiver, hammer, trigger, sear, piston and usually a part of the furniture or pistol grip. So its a Kuwaiti lower and maybe some Kuwaiti springs and a buttstock? Would love to see photos of the other side of the lower to see how those parts fared, as the lower prebuild looks to be mostly rust.

Thanks

Matt


Jesus that didnt take long
Fuck 922r (r is for retarded) nobody cares or enforces that bullshit


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I always thought that reweld thinking was a grey area. Didn't some get into legal trouble with reweld M14 receivers with the full auto connector stud ground/machined off prior to rewelding?
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Originally Posted By 50cal:
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
You automatically put the original receiver out of the picture.....ATF once a machine gun always a machine gun (It's sear cut) so when it's rewelded it's a machine gun receiver again and now it an illegal machine gun again as far as civilian ownership......Common sense man.

Except your interpretation of "common sense" is wrong. Once cut, it's no longer an MG or a firearm. Once rewelded, it's a new firearm. Weld up the sear cut prior to welding the rest of the receiver and it would be a legal, new manufacture semi receiver.

If all you wanted was a post-sample receiver, it should have just been left uncut.

I always thought that reweld thinking was a grey area. Didn't some get into legal trouble with reweld M14 receivers with the full auto connector stud ground/machined off prior to rewelding?
I remember something about that yeah....I also think those were cut to different demil standards.....The reason why kits come in with no barrel and with milled guns the receiver being torch cut in 3 different spots has a lot to do with rewelding(Rebuilding) Hell a few years ago Apex was selling crushed stamped AKM receivers and a couple of chuckleheads managed to unflatten them and bring the receiver back into spec and built in at least one case a functioning full auto AKM......

There are so many grey areas with kits it's gotten insane.
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Most of the kit with the exception of the barrel and bolt carrier.
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By Got_Guns:
What is from the orignal bringback?

I see mostly new parts.

Most of the kit with the exception of the barrel and bolt carrier.




Why did the owner cut the barrel? Where did he store that rifle?
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 2:24:47 PM EST
I have always thought that the FAL was the second greatest rifle of all time.


The two I had were awesome, even the oddball .243 money shredder.
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Why did the owner cut the barrel
? Where did he store that rifle?
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Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:
Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By Got_Guns:
What is from the orignal bringback?

I see mostly new parts.

Most of the kit with the exception of the barrel and bolt carrier.




Why did the owner cut the barrel
? Where did he store that rifle?
Bad information from a buddy of his back in the day apparently......They told him the barrel had to be cut with the receiver.
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
I remember something about that yeah....I also think those were cut to different demil standards.....The reason why kits come in with no barrel and with milled guns the receiver being torch cut in 3 different spots has a lot to do with rewelding(Rebuilding) Hell a few years ago Apex was selling crushed stamped AKM receivers and a couple of chuckleheads managed to unflatten them and bring the receiver back into spec and built in at least one case a functioning full auto AKM......

There are so many grey areas with kits it's gotten insane.
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Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
You automatically put the original receiver out of the picture.....ATF once a machine gun always a machine gun (It's sear cut) so when it's rewelded it's a machine gun receiver again and now it an illegal machine gun again as far as civilian ownership......Common sense man.

Except your interpretation of "common sense" is wrong. Once cut, it's no longer an MG or a firearm. Once rewelded, it's a new firearm. Weld up the sear cut prior to welding the rest of the receiver and it would be a legal, new manufacture semi receiver.

If all you wanted was a post-sample receiver, it should have just been left uncut.

I always thought that reweld thinking was a grey area. Didn't some get into legal trouble with reweld M14 receivers with the full auto connector stud ground/machined off prior to rewelding?
I remember something about that yeah....I also think those were cut to different demil standards.....The reason why kits come in with no barrel and with milled guns the receiver being torch cut in 3 different spots has a lot to do with rewelding(Rebuilding) Hell a few years ago Apex was selling crushed stamped AKM receivers and a couple of chuckleheads managed to unflatten them and bring the receiver back into spec and built in at least one case a functioning full auto AKM......

There are so many grey areas with kits it's gotten insane.
It's pretty clear as to what needs to be done now, but over the years the standard has changed quite a bit. From one saw cut, to two, to three, to torch cuts, to torch cuts in different places, to torch cuts and not supplying one of the cut out parts, to barrel holes, barrel cuts....no barrels, etc etc. Keeps getting better and better.


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Bad information from a buddy of his back in the day apparently......They told him the barrel had to be cut with the receiver.
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Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Originally Posted By Got_Guns:
What is from the orignal bringback?

I see mostly new parts.

Most of the kit with the exception of the barrel and bolt carrier.




Why did the owner cut the barrel
? Where did he store that rifle?
Bad information from a buddy of his back in the day apparently......They told him the barrel had to be cut with the receiver.



His buddy owes him several beers.
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I have always thought that the FAL was the second greatest rifle of all time.


The two I had were awesome, even the oddball .243 money shredder.
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I sure as hell like the ergos over the G3

Gotta slice your knuckles off every time you wanna change a mag real quick on my G3A3 and the stock is made for tenderizing meat
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I sure as hell like the ergos over the G3

Gotta slice your knuckles off every time you wanna change a mag real quick on my G3A3 and the stock is made for tenderizing meat
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Originally Posted By skytrooper01:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
I have always thought that the FAL was the second greatest rifle of all time.


The two I had were awesome, even the oddball .243 money shredder.


I sure as hell like the ergos over the G3

Gotta slice your knuckles off every time you wanna change a mag real quick on my G3A3 and the stock is made for tenderizing meat


With an extended selector and one of the more naturally-angled grips (the swept-back grips are optimized for launching rifle grenades), I actually like the ergonomics in their entirety over those of the AR as well. Compared to the G-3, though, the FAL's ergonomics in any configuration result in no contest. The FAL is just plain better.
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I sure as hell like the ergos over the G3

Gotta slice your knuckles off every time you wanna change a mag real quick on my G3A3 and the stock is made for tenderizing meat
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Originally Posted By skytrooper01:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
I have always thought that the FAL was the second greatest rifle of all time.

The two I had were awesome, even the oddball .243 money shredder.


I sure as hell like the ergos over the G3

Gotta slice your knuckles off every time you wanna change a mag real quick on my G3A3 and the stock is made for tenderizing meat


I think the AK is number three. Sorry Germans.

But yeah, all my years lusting for a PSG1 clone and thank god I bought a G3 first.

Pretty much the German version of the ebr sage chassis on an old ass m14. "Now it's a sniper rifle!"
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With an extended selector and one of the more naturally-angled grips (the swept-back grips are optimized for launching rifle grenades), I actually like the ergonomics in their entirety over those of the AR as well. Compared to the G-3, though, the FAL's ergonomics in any configuration result in no contest. The FAL is just plain better.
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Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Originally Posted By skytrooper01:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
I have always thought that the FAL was the second greatest rifle of all time.


The two I had were awesome, even the oddball .243 money shredder.


I sure as hell like the ergos over the G3

Gotta slice your knuckles off every time you wanna change a mag real quick on my G3A3 and the stock is made for tenderizing meat


With an extended selector and one of the more naturally-angled grips (the swept-back grips are optimized for launching rifle grenades), I actually like the ergonomics in their entirety over those of the AR as well. Compared to the G-3, though, the FAL's ergonomics in any configuration result in no contest. The FAL is just plain better.


Belongs in a trashcan
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Hence third place.
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Belongs in a trashcan
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Originally Posted By bigstick61:
Originally Posted By skytrooper01:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
I have always thought that the FAL was the second greatest rifle of all time.


The two I had were awesome, even the oddball .243 money shredder.


I sure as hell like the ergos over the G3

Gotta slice your knuckles off every time you wanna change a mag real quick on my G3A3 and the stock is made for tenderizing meat


With an extended selector and one of the more naturally-angled grips (the swept-back grips are optimized for launching rifle grenades), I actually like the ergonomics in their entirety over those of the AR as well. Compared to the G-3, though, the FAL's ergonomics in any configuration result in no contest. The FAL is just plain better.


Belongs in a trashcan

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