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Link Posted: 12/20/2015 9:47:50 AM EDT
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Cruz is an extremist. His unconditional opposition to abortion, even in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother, proves this. That issue alone would make him unelectable. (In the general election. It probably helps him in some of the primaries.) And harping on gay marriage is out of step with the times.

True, Cruz is good on guns. Probably the best of the candidates, on guns. And I personally am not affected by the abortion issue, so I wouldn't vote based on it. Nor am I a fan of gay marriage. I wouldn't mind Cruz as president. But, it's a moot point if he can't be elected. Nominating Cruz means conceding the election to Hillary. That would be a disaster. Wake up, people, and smell the coffee.

Cruz can easily take the nomination, and then lose the election. In fact, that's the most likely scenario for what will actually happen. It means 8 years of Hillary as president. Flush your gun rights down the toilet. This country is finished, due 100% to Republican stupidity.

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There is no evidence whatsoever that Cruz would do any worse against Hillary against any other candidate except everyone's perception that he is unelectable.  

It has been a long time since we have had an election where we can see the contrast between a true conservative and a true liberal.  With as polarized as this country is, i think Cruz would do quite well
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Cruz is an extremist. His unconditional opposition to abortion, even in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother, proves this. That issue alone would make him unelectable. (In the general election. It probably helps him in some of the primaries.) And harping on gay marriage is out of step with the times.

True, Cruz is good on guns. Probably the best of the candidates, on guns. And I personally am not affected by the abortion issue, so I wouldn't vote based on it. Nor am I a fan of gay marriage. I wouldn't mind Cruz as president. But, it's a moot point if he can't be elected. Nominating Cruz means conceding the election to Hillary. That would be a disaster. Wake up, people, and smell the coffee.

Cruz can easily take the nomination, and then lose the election. In fact, that's the most likely scenario for what will actually happen. It means 8 years of Hillary as president. Flush your gun rights down the toilet. This country is finished, due 100% to Republican stupidity.

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abortion.

Its so popular, the SCOTUS had to stop everyone from banning it.

Thank you yet again for the socialist talking points.
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It's true -- Trump or Cruz would be the easiest candidates for the Democrats to beat. Their consultants are having wet dreams about that possibility.

Rubio would be the strongest Republican candidate in the general election. But even with Rubio, it would be uncomfortably close.

Don't be misled by listening only to the right-wing echo chamber. Even if every conservative, Tea Partier, libertarian, etc., turned out to vote for the Republicans, it still would not carry the presidential election. The numbers just aren't there (in the handful of swing states that will decide the election).

The only way the Republicans can win is to appeal to significant numbers of moderate, middle-of-the-road, and independent voters. Rubio maybe can do that. Trump or Cruz can't.

Edited to add: Sometimes I wish that the Republicans would run an extremist like Cruz, just to bury, once and for all, the myth of the "stay-at-home conservatives." But then I think of 8 years of Hillary, and I cringe. This country may be doomed.

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You are delusional.  The Republicans have already tried middle of the road, establishment candidates the last two cycles.  Rubio?  Hillary shits bigger every morning.  Trump or Cruz is the way to go.  


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Okay... I'm going to break this to you nice and gently. RUBIO IS FUCKING SCUM.

As a Miami Native and a Floridian. Let me tell you about Rubio. Ever since he was a City of West Miami Council Member, he has said whatever the fuck he needed to say to get elected. He is a fair weather politician and lies through his mother fucking teeth.

When he ran for office in Florida, he ran as a Child of Cuban Exiles fleeing Communism. Problem is, his family came to the US in 1956. Castro took power in 1959. He lied and used the Cuban American sympathy to win office.

As a Cuban, we find that very deceitful since his family never suffered under Castro. That is like some asshat claiming he was a combat vet when he never enlisted. In fact, his family traveled back and forth between the US and Cuba until the mid 1960s.

He has never worked in the private sector a day in his life, yet he owns a $700,000 home in West Miami, yet he claims his networth is only $400K.

He is as we say... un chupa pinga.... a fucking cock sucker.

     
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Polls have consistently shown that Rubio beats Hillary in a head-to-head matchup on a pretty regular basis

He fares better against her than any other candidate


I will NOT vote for anyone out of NY.  After the safe act, nobody out of that state has any political credibility with me as a conservative.

Rubio is from Florida, and would bring Florida into the Electoral College on the R side.

Rubio is young blood, likable, has a great looking family, wants to get government out of your life, appeals to college kids raised by parents who communicate with their parents on social media, has some of the best ideas on education, energy, taxes, environment, guns, and government reform.  He's very conservative.

Hillary didn't say anything about Rubio, the moderators of the DNC debate did, and they were rolling their eyes at Hillary's failure to answer direct questions, cutting her off and schooling her like a teacher with a misbehaving student in class.

Rubio would ruin Hillary in a debate, because Hillary can't debate.  She won't be well prepared either because she's been thrown soft balls by the DNC of her own making, which is basically a shill Hillary PAC now.

 

Okay... I'm going to break this to you nice and gently. RUBIO IS FUCKING SCUM.

As a Miami Native and a Floridian. Let me tell you about Rubio. Ever since he was a City of West Miami Council Member, he has said whatever the fuck he needed to say to get elected. He is a fair weather politician and lies through his mother fucking teeth.

When he ran for office in Florida, he ran as a Child of Cuban Exiles fleeing Communism. Problem is, his family came to the US in 1956. Castro took power in 1959. He lied and used the Cuban American sympathy to win office.

As a Cuban, we find that very deceitful since his family never suffered under Castro. That is like some asshat claiming he was a combat vet when he never enlisted. In fact, his family traveled back and forth between the US and Cuba until the mid 1960s.

He has never worked in the private sector a day in his life, yet he owns a $700,000 home in West Miami, yet he claims his networth is only $400K.

He is as we say... un chupa pinga.... a fucking cock sucker.

     


That's what I've gathered from bits and pieces of reading over the years.  Rubio is bad news.  Hillary would destroy him.



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That's what I've gathered from bits and pieces of reading over the years.  Rubio is bad news.  Hillary would destroy him.



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Polls have consistently shown that Rubio beats Hillary in a head-to-head matchup on a pretty regular basis

He fares better against her than any other candidate


I will NOT vote for anyone out of NY.  After the safe act, nobody out of that state has any political credibility with me as a conservative.

Rubio is from Florida, and would bring Florida into the Electoral College on the R side.

Rubio is young blood, likable, has a great looking family, wants to get government out of your life, appeals to college kids raised by parents who communicate with their parents on social media, has some of the best ideas on education, energy, taxes, environment, guns, and government reform.  He's very conservative.

Hillary didn't say anything about Rubio, the moderators of the DNC debate did, and they were rolling their eyes at Hillary's failure to answer direct questions, cutting her off and schooling her like a teacher with a misbehaving student in class.

Rubio would ruin Hillary in a debate, because Hillary can't debate.  She won't be well prepared either because she's been thrown soft balls by the DNC of her own making, which is basically a shill Hillary PAC now.

 

Okay... I'm going to break this to you nice and gently. RUBIO IS FUCKING SCUM.

As a Miami Native and a Floridian. Let me tell you about Rubio. Ever since he was a City of West Miami Council Member, he has said whatever the fuck he needed to say to get elected. He is a fair weather politician and lies through his mother fucking teeth.

When he ran for office in Florida, he ran as a Child of Cuban Exiles fleeing Communism. Problem is, his family came to the US in 1956. Castro took power in 1959. He lied and used the Cuban American sympathy to win office.

As a Cuban, we find that very deceitful since his family never suffered under Castro. That is like some asshat claiming he was a combat vet when he never enlisted. In fact, his family traveled back and forth between the US and Cuba until the mid 1960s.

He has never worked in the private sector a day in his life, yet he owns a $700,000 home in West Miami, yet he claims his networth is only $400K.

He is as we say... un chupa pinga.... a fucking cock sucker.

     


That's what I've gathered from bits and pieces of reading over the years.  Rubio is bad news.  Hillary would destroy him.



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Forgetting about Hillary altogether; Rubio is a dirtbag in his own right as MiamiJBT has accurately  pointed out.
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abortion.

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Americans are ambivalent about abortion. A majority, emotionally, are pro-life. But this sentiment breaks down when we start talking about the particulars. Most people would allow abortions in cases of rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is at risk. And first-trimester abortions don't bother people nearly as much as third-trimester abortions.

Certainly, only a very small minority believe unconditionally that "life begins at conception," that fetuses have the full panoply of human rights, and that there should be no exceptions for rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother. These elements pretty much describe Cruz' position. Lots of people, particularly women, will vote against him because of that.

Rubio is much better able to fudge things like this. Sometimes the best political course is "creative vagueness."

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this.
Link Posted: 12/20/2015 10:52:09 AM EDT
Listening to the Democrats, on the subject of which match-up they'd like to see, is laughable.  

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Rubio talks a lot.

He doesn't actually do anything that he talks about.

He's a liar -- just like Cruz, if you heard Cruz on CNN getting the shit beaten out of him about his flip-flops on immigration you'd see that clearly.  Neither of them will get anywhere near the white house.
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 Listen to this man!

(Although the net worth thing is probably due to having hardly any equity and a lot of debt in that $700K house).

I have found most of what Miami JBT to be invalid on this site.  I rarely agree with him.  

If you look at the consistency that Rubio has on the issues, it's very conservative.  Where he really differs is that he is talking about a vision for the future.  Other than Trump, I don't hear that from the other candidates.

Outlier voters won't matter anyway once the electorate sees and connects with who they will connect with.  Right now, a lot of people connect with Trump because of Celebrity Apprentice, and he is an accomplished outsider with no political career.  He's a father figure to Millennials since they saw someone being decisive for once on TV and in his speeches.

I'm not an advocate for anyone's campaign right now, just looking at all of this as if I was on the outside, using metrics that get overlooked by almost everyone.


Rubio talks a lot.

He doesn't actually do anything that he talks about.

He's a liar -- just like Cruz, if you heard Cruz on CNN getting the shit beaten out of him about his flip-flops on immigration you'd see that clearly.  Neither of them will get anywhere near the white house.


I missed that about Cruz? How did he flip flop?
Also I am curious who you do like? I doubt its trump as he has definitely flip flopped more than Cruz.
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Americans are ambivalent about abortion. A majority, emotionally, are pro-life. But this sentiment breaks down when we start talking about the particulars. Most people would allow abortions in cases of rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is at risk. And first-trimester abortions don't bother people nearly as much as third-trimester abortions.

Certainly, only a very small minority believe unconditionally that "life begins at conception," that fetuses have the full panoply of human rights, and that there should be no exceptions for rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother. These elements pretty much describe Cruz' position. Lots of people, particularly women, will vote against him because of that.

Rubio is much better able to fudge things like this. Sometimes the best political course is "creative vagueness."

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abortion.

Its so popular, the SCOTUS had to stop everyone from banning it.


Americans are ambivalent about abortion. A majority, emotionally, are pro-life. But this sentiment breaks down when we start talking about the particulars. Most people would allow abortions in cases of rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is at risk. And first-trimester abortions don't bother people nearly as much as third-trimester abortions.

Certainly, only a very small minority believe unconditionally that "life begins at conception," that fetuses have the full panoply of human rights, and that there should be no exceptions for rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother. These elements pretty much describe Cruz' position. Lots of people, particularly women, will vote against him because of that.

Rubio is much better able to fudge things like this. Sometimes the best political course is "creative vagueness."



the number of voters whose votes are determined based upon abortion are 10-1 in favor of republicans.

Abortion, its so popular they have to call it "womens health"

Stop with the completely incorrect talking points.

More to the point, the only correct answer is that its a state issue.  The states are free to determined what is, and is not, murder.  Which is exactly Ted Cruz's position, btw.

Yougov.com, a fairly neutral british polling company (who was pretty fucking accurate in 2012) says 52% of americans believe that life begins at conception.

http://www.lifenews.com/2015/04/08/poll-66-of-americans-say-unborn-babies-are-people-52-say-life-begins-at-conception/

I got your political bias.  Cool.

But stop lying.
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Dem's run people who take the position of 30 percent of the population and they are sold as mainstream

Reps run people who normally take the position of the majority population and they are sold as extremist
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abortion.

Its so popular, the SCOTUS had to stop everyone from banning it.


Thank you yet again for the socialist talking points.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Cruz is an extremist. His unconditional opposition to abortion, even in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother, proves this. That issue alone would make him unelectable. (In the general election. It probably helps him in some of the primaries.) And harping on gay marriage is out of step with the times.

True, Cruz is good on guns. Probably the best of the candidates, on guns. And I personally am not affected by the abortion issue, so I wouldn't vote based on it. Nor am I a fan of gay marriage. I wouldn't mind Cruz as president. But, it's a moot point if he can't be elected. Nominating Cruz means conceding the election to Hillary. That would be a disaster. Wake up, people, and smell the coffee.

Cruz can easily take the nomination, and then lose the election. In fact, that's the most likely scenario for what will actually happen. It means 8 years of Hillary as president. Flush your gun rights down the toilet. This country is finished, due 100% to Republican stupidity.



abortion.

Its so popular, the SCOTUS had to stop everyone from banning it.


Thank you yet again for the socialist talking points.


Abortion.  It's so popular, the Hippocratic Oath bans it.

Moreover, I will give no sort of medicine to any pregnant woman, with a view to destroy the child




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excellent observation with one glaring flaw.

If only the republicans actually ran people who normally take that position AND GOVERN BY IT.
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Not among suburban voters in swing states, which is where this election will be decided. The soccer moms are overwhelmingly pro-choice. Even the Republican ones.
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No.

No they are not.  

men 18-30 are the single largest demographic in favor of it followed by single women.

married women are overwhelming pro-life.

You are either making shit up independently or believing stupid shit.

To put it in simple terms, in deference to you, if abortion was popular they would 1.  Call it abortion and 2.  The SCOTUS would never have had to hear a court case banning the practice.
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excellent observation with one glaring flaw.

If only the republicans actually ran people who normally take that position AND GOVERN BY IT.
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excellent observation with one glaring flaw.

If only the republicans actually ran people who normally take that position AND GOVERN BY IT.

Very true, their lack of governing/legislating by the principles they campaign under has caused the rise of people like Trump
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Title should have been from the controlled media;

Globalists/controlled GOP/controlled Dems/controlled media most want a Rubio/Kasich ticket so they can win against America.

Trump/Cruz fucks up the Globalists dismantling of America and puts bad ideas in the heads of European countries not enjoying their planned cultural/racial genocide.

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Damn right it does.

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I missed that about Cruz? How did he flip flop?
Also I am curious who you do like? I doubt its trump as he has definitely flip flopped more than Cruz.
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 Listen to this man!

(Although the net worth thing is probably due to having hardly any equity and a lot of debt in that $700K house).

I have found most of what Miami JBT to be invalid on this site.  I rarely agree with him.  

If you look at the consistency that Rubio has on the issues, it's very conservative.  Where he really differs is that he is talking about a vision for the future.  Other than Trump, I don't hear that from the other candidates.

Outlier voters won't matter anyway once the electorate sees and connects with who they will connect with.  Right now, a lot of people connect with Trump because of Celebrity Apprentice, and he is an accomplished outsider with no political career.  He's a father figure to Millennials since they saw someone being decisive for once on TV and in his speeches.

I'm not an advocate for anyone's campaign right now, just looking at all of this as if I was on the outside, using metrics that get overlooked by almost everyone.


Rubio talks a lot.

He doesn't actually do anything that he talks about.

He's a liar -- just like Cruz, if you heard Cruz on CNN getting the shit beaten out of him about his flip-flops on immigration you'd see that clearly.  Neither of them will get anywhere near the white house.


I missed that about Cruz? How did he flip flop?
Also I am curious who you do like? I doubt its trump as he has definitely flip flopped more than Cruz.


He's now claiming he's always opposed amnesty, when he voted for a bill that would have made it law.
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It's a little more complicated, he offered a poison pill (banning naturalization to those who granted legal status) since poison pills generally don't work if you go around announcing it is a poison pill at the time he said he hoped his amendment would be passed
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He (Cruz) put an amendment on that bill to make the illegals legal, but not give them citizenship.  The original bill was to give them amnesty and citizenship.

The Cruz amendment killed the bill, as Cruz knew it would.

Or you can keep getting your "facts" from CNN rather than looking beyond the surface of their talking points.

Rubio was a sponsor of said bill, a member of the Gang of Eight.
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And that is the irony of him bringing the topic up
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It's a little more complicated, he offered a poison pill (banning naturalization to those who granted legal status) since poison pills generally don't work if you go around announcing it is a poison pill at the time he said he hoped his amendment would be passed
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He's now claiming he's always opposed amnesty, when he voted for a bill that would have made it law.


It's a little more complicated, he offered a poison pill (banning naturalization to those who granted legal status) since poison pills generally don't work if you go around announcing it is a poison pill at the time he said he hoped his amendment would be passed


He sure did a shitty job explaining it on tv.  

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It's true -- Trump or Cruz would be the easiest candidates for the Democrats to beat. Their consultants are having wet dreams about that possibility.

Rubio would be the strongest Republican candidate in the general election. But even with Rubio, it would be uncomfortably close.

Don't be misled by listening only to the right-wing echo chamber. Even if every conservative, Tea Partier, libertarian, etc., turned out to vote for the Republicans, it still would not carry the presidential election. The numbers just aren't there (in the handful of swing states that will decide the election).

The only way the Republicans can win is to appeal to significant numbers of moderate, middle-of-the-road, and independent voters. Rubio maybe can do that. Trump or Cruz can't.

Edited to add: Sometimes I wish that the Republicans would run an extremist like Cruz, just to bury, once and for all, the myth of the "stay-at-home conservatives." But then I think of 8 years of Hillary, and I cringe. This country may be doomed.
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In todays USA, Rubio is good looking, Hillary is an old hag.  No contest for the shallow voters that thought FBHO was worthy.
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don't care.

because the effective difference between the two is zero.

If we let in 20 million immigrants from the third world, its over.
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Rubio can suck my cock.  I will NOT vote for anyone out of NY.  After the safe act, nobody out of that state has any political credibility with me as a conservative.
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Polls have consistently shown that Rubio beats Hillary in a head-to-head matchup on a pretty regular basis

He fares better against her than any other candidate


Rubio can suck my cock.  I will NOT vote for anyone out of NY.  After the safe act, nobody out of that state has any political credibility with me as a conservative.


You might want to check your facts Rubio was born in Miami and is one of the senators from Florida he has nothing to do with New York.

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Not among suburban voters in swing states, which is where this election will be decided. The soccer moms are overwhelmingly pro-choice. Even the Republican ones.
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the number of voters whose votes are determined based upon abortion are 10-1 in favor of republicans.


Not among suburban voters in swing states, which is where this election will be decided. The soccer moms are overwhelmingly pro-choice. Even the Republican ones.

You're out of touch with the actual metrics.  The ones you keep citing are what are vomited from the controlled presstitute disinformation hose.

This election will not be determined by abortion.

Where all the pundits are wrong on this is that Millennials have one of the lowest teenage abortion rates, compared to Generation X and baby boomers.

None of the demographics being pushed by the DNC are in touch with reality.

Millennials have one of the lowest incidences of crime per capita, are looking for stability, and are thinking about the future.  As soon as they entered the prime age bracket for criminal activity, crime started plunging (1993).
Many millennials grew up during the Reagan era, and know what a real President felt like.

More millennials are still living at home because of the economy, so they have more traditional views on home ownership as they save and plan for the future, placing a very high value on being able to buy a home.

Millennials have watched many of the mistakes their Generation X parents made, and talk regularly with their parents about those decisions.  Their parents are telling them to save, plan ahead, work until they are ready to fly, and delay home ownership to a point where conditions are more favorable to them.

They could give a crap about abortion, gays, "women's issues", LGBT useful idiots, and the general derp from college professors who are so out of touch with reality.

They want stability more than most know, and are feeling the crunch of this economic recessions more than most because of the job market.

You think Hillary or Bernie resonates with them?  They grew up with parents who despise Hillary, and Hillary's voice in and of itself is unnerving.  Her ideas make no sense to them, and she reminds them of some old witch who puts on a lying face to try to deceive you like some child.  Hillary's terrible character is plainly visible to millennials and Generation X alike.

I think there is going to be a massive shift in this Presidential cycle, and it will put the nail in the coffin of the old school media, which neither Gen X nor Millennials watch anyway.

The next question is, who will be the leader that resonates with these demographics?
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because the effective difference between the two is zero.

If we let in 20 million immigrants from the third world, its over.
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don't care.

because the effective difference between the two is zero.

If we let in 20 million immigrants from the third world, its over.


Totally, there would be no difference at all in having Rubio (or any republican) appoint the SCOTUS replacements for potentially Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy (shitbag), Ginsburg (filthy fucking commie cunt), and Breyer (living document make it up as you go fuckface). We could have a solid 7-2 conservative majority for YEARS, or a 7-2 liberal hell hole court which will quickly redefine our "individual " second amendment rights to a communal one essentially nullifying the 2nd. There is obviously no difference and we should all either vote for Hitlary or stay home if your particular pure conservative doesn't get the nomination.
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Rubio is not as bad as Arfcom portrays.  I would much prefer Cruz, but Rubio would be a good president.
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Yeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhhh. More Amnesty, ZH1b Visas, more government surveillance, government mandated backdoors in encryption programs. RUBIO 2016!!!!!!
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Totally, there would be no difference at all in having Rubio (or any republican) appoint the SCOTUS replacements for potentially Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy (shitbag), Ginsburg (filthy fucking commie cunt), and Breyer (living document make it up as you go fuckface). We could have a solid 7-2 conservative majority for YEARS, or a 7-2 liberal hell hole court which will quickly redefine our "individual " second amendment rights to a communal one essentially nullifying the 2nd. There is obviously no difference and we should all either vote for Hitlary or stay home if your particular pure conservative doesn't get the nomination.
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In todays USA, Rubio is good looking, Hillary is an old hag.  No contest for the shallow voters that thought FBHO was worthy.

don't care.

because the effective difference between the two is zero.

If we let in 20 million immigrants from the third world, its over.


Totally, there would be no difference at all in having Rubio (or any republican) appoint the SCOTUS replacements for potentially Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy (shitbag), Ginsburg (filthy fucking commie cunt), and Breyer (living document make it up as you go fuckface). We could have a solid 7-2 conservative majority for YEARS, or a 7-2 liberal hell hole court which will quickly redefine our "individual " second amendment rights to a communal one essentially nullifying the 2nd. There is obviously no difference and we should all either vote for Hitlary or stay home if your particular pure conservative doesn't get the nomination.


Yeah, whatever will we do without another souter, stevens or kennedy on the bench.
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You're out of touch with the actual metrics.  The ones you keep citing are what are vomited from the controlled presstitute disinformation hose.



This election will not be determined by abortion.



Where all the pundits are wrong on this is that Millennials have one of the lowest teenage abortion rates, compared to Generation X and baby boomers.



None of the demographics being pushed by the DNC are in touch with reality.



Millennials have one of the lowest incidences of crime per capita, are looking for stability, and are thinking about the future.  As soon as they entered the prime age bracket for criminal activity, crime started plunging (1993).

Many millennials grew up during the Reagan era, and know what a real President felt like.



More millennials are still living at home because of the economy, so they have more traditional views on home ownership as they save and plan for the future, placing a very high value on being able to buy a home.



Millennials have watched many of the mistakes their Generation X parents made, and talk regularly with their parents about those decisions.  Their parents are telling them to save, plan ahead, work until they are ready to fly, and delay home ownership to a point where conditions are more favorable to them.



They could give a crap about abortion, gays, "women's issues", LGBT useful idiots, and the general derp from college professors who are so out of touch with reality.



They want stability more than most know, and are feeling the crunch of this economic recessions more than most because of the job market.



You think Hillary or Bernie resonates with them?  They grew up with parents who despise Hillary, and Hillary's voice in and of itself is unnerving.  Her ideas make no sense to them, and she reminds them of some old witch who puts on a lying face to try to deceive you like some child.  Hillary's terrible character is plainly visible to millennials and Generation X alike.



I think there is going to be a massive shift in this Presidential cycle, and it will put the nail in the coffin of the old school media, which neither Gen X nor Millennials watch anyway.



The next question is, who will be the leader that resonates with these demographics?
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the number of voters whose votes are determined based upon abortion are 10-1 in favor of republicans.




Not among suburban voters in swing states, which is where this election will be decided. The soccer moms are overwhelmingly pro-choice. Even the Republican ones.



You're out of touch with the actual metrics.  The ones you keep citing are what are vomited from the controlled presstitute disinformation hose.



This election will not be determined by abortion.



Where all the pundits are wrong on this is that Millennials have one of the lowest teenage abortion rates, compared to Generation X and baby boomers.



None of the demographics being pushed by the DNC are in touch with reality.



Millennials have one of the lowest incidences of crime per capita, are looking for stability, and are thinking about the future.  As soon as they entered the prime age bracket for criminal activity, crime started plunging (1993).

Many millennials grew up during the Reagan era, and know what a real President felt like.



More millennials are still living at home because of the economy, so they have more traditional views on home ownership as they save and plan for the future, placing a very high value on being able to buy a home.



Millennials have watched many of the mistakes their Generation X parents made, and talk regularly with their parents about those decisions.  Their parents are telling them to save, plan ahead, work until they are ready to fly, and delay home ownership to a point where conditions are more favorable to them.



They could give a crap about abortion, gays, "women's issues", LGBT useful idiots, and the general derp from college professors who are so out of touch with reality.



They want stability more than most know, and are feeling the crunch of this economic recessions more than most because of the job market.



You think Hillary or Bernie resonates with them?  They grew up with parents who despise Hillary, and Hillary's voice in and of itself is unnerving.  Her ideas make no sense to them, and she reminds them of some old witch who puts on a lying face to try to deceive you like some child.  Hillary's terrible character is plainly visible to millennials and Generation X alike.



I think there is going to be a massive shift in this Presidential cycle, and it will put the nail in the coffin of the old school media, which neither Gen X nor Millennials watch anyway.



The next question is, who will be the leader that resonates with these demographics?
Trump.... he resonates very well with them since he knows the keys to a strong America is a strong Middle Class.

 
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abortion.

Its so popular, the SCOTUS had to stop everyone from banning it.

Thank you yet again for the socialist talking points.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Cruz is an extremist. His unconditional opposition to abortion, even in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother, proves this. That issue alone would make him unelectable. (In the general election. It probably helps him in some of the primaries.) And harping on gay marriage is out of step with the times.

True, Cruz is good on guns. Probably the best of the candidates, on guns. And I personally am not affected by the abortion issue, so I wouldn't vote based on it. Nor am I a fan of gay marriage. I wouldn't mind Cruz as president. But, it's a moot point if he can't be elected. Nominating Cruz means conceding the election to Hillary. That would be a disaster. Wake up, people, and smell the coffee.

Cruz can easily take the nomination, and then lose the election. In fact, that's the most likely scenario for what will actually happen. It means 8 years of Hillary as president. Flush your gun rights down the toilet. This country is finished, due 100% to Republican stupidity.




abortion.

Its so popular, the SCOTUS had to stop everyone from banning it.

Thank you yet again for the socialist talking points.


Wait for Cruz to start spouting that shit if/when he debates Hilldabeast, along with the other conservative death blows that always get brought up. I'm sure his poll number agains Hilldawg will only go up.

Cruz has almost no chance of beating Hitlery.
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There are also hotly contested Senate races in those states that are must win to keep control of that chamber.
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You're one of about seven Republicans that understand this. Florida and Ohio. That's it.


Bingo. If the R's don't win Florida and Ohio, it's game over. They also have to carry Virginia or Colorado. Hispanic votes will matter in most of these places.




There are also hotly contested Senate races in those states that are must win to keep control of that chamber.

Does it make a difference?
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Cruz is an extremist. His unconditional opposition to abortion, even in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother, proves this. That issue alone would make him unelectable. (In the general election. It probably helps him in some of the primaries.) And harping on gay marriage is out of step with the times.

True, Cruz is good on guns. Probably the best of the candidates, on guns. And I personally am not affected by the abortion issue, so I wouldn't vote based on it. Nor am I a fan of gay marriage. I wouldn't mind Cruz as president. But, it's a moot point if he can't be elected. Nominating Cruz means conceding the election to Hillary. That would be a disaster. Wake up, people, and smell the coffee.

Cruz can easily take the nomination, and then lose the election. In fact, that's the most likely scenario for what will actually happen. It means 8 years of Hillary as president. Flush your gun rights down the toilet. This country is finished, due 100% to Republican stupidity.

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Give it up.  That's not changing.  Stare decisis and all that legal crap.
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He's now claiming he's always opposed amnesty, when he voted for a bill that would have made it law.
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 Listen to this man!

(Although the net worth thing is probably due to having hardly any equity and a lot of debt in that $700K house).

I have found most of what Miami JBT to be invalid on this site.  I rarely agree with him.  

If you look at the consistency that Rubio has on the issues, it's very conservative.  Where he really differs is that he is talking about a vision for the future.  Other than Trump, I don't hear that from the other candidates.

Outlier voters won't matter anyway once the electorate sees and connects with who they will connect with.  Right now, a lot of people connect with Trump because of Celebrity Apprentice, and he is an accomplished outsider with no political career.  He's a father figure to Millennials since they saw someone being decisive for once on TV and in his speeches.

I'm not an advocate for anyone's campaign right now, just looking at all of this as if I was on the outside, using metrics that get overlooked by almost everyone.


Rubio talks a lot.

He doesn't actually do anything that he talks about.

He's a liar -- just like Cruz, if you heard Cruz on CNN getting the shit beaten out of him about his flip-flops on immigration you'd see that clearly.  Neither of them will get anywhere near the white house.


I missed that about Cruz? How did he flip flop?
Also I am curious who you do like? I doubt its trump as he has definitely flip flopped more than Cruz.


He's now claiming he's always opposed amnesty, when he voted for a bill that would have made it law.

Poison pill though.  It would not have given the Dems what they want - citizenship and voting rights for 11 million undocumented democrats.
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He sure did a shitty job explaining it on tv.  

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He's now claiming he's always opposed amnesty, when he voted for a bill that would have made it law.


It's a little more complicated, he offered a poison pill (banning naturalization to those who granted legal status) since poison pills generally don't work if you go around announcing it is a poison pill at the time he said he hoped his amendment would be passed


He sure did a shitty job explaining it on tv.  


He made the mistake of trying to explain it like a lawyer/politician instead of in simple, direct statements.
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You're one of about seven Republicans that understand this. Florida and Ohio. That's it.


Bingo. If the R's don't win Florida and Ohio, it's game over. They also have to carry Virginia or Colorado. Hispanic votes will matter in most of these places.




There are also hotly contested Senate races in those states that are must win to keep control of that chamber.

Does it make a difference?
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This last budget deal is why I am committed to voting against my sitting Republican Congressman and my Republican Senator. I told them WV threw out Democrats because we wanted a change, and what we got was more of the same so we might as well have the real deal Democrats, at least then we would know what we are getting.
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He's now claiming he's always opposed amnesty, when he voted for a bill that would have made it law.


It's a little more complicated, he offered a poison pill (banning naturalization to those who granted legal status) since poison pills generally don't work if you go around announcing it is a poison pill at the time he said he hoped his amendment would be passed


He sure did a shitty job explaining it on tv.  


He made the mistake of trying to explain it like a lawyer/politician instead of in simple, direct statements.


Exactly.  And the one thing that crosses almost all party lines is that everyone hates politicians and lawyers -- and for good reason.  They can't talk like normal people because almost every word coming out of their mouth is a lie.
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