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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:32:40 PM EDT
FUCK......
Link to update post here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1790231_ATF_rules_Can_Cannon_an_NFA_item_when_mounted_to_a_non_NFA_lower__UPDATED_1_9_16__page_8_.html&page=8#i57592821 For those of you out there that have a can cannon: Be advised. EDIT: X Products' founder explains what the issue was with the ATF in this video. |
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Huh.
I've already got an SBR'd lower so does this mean I can get one of these can thingies for cheap, now? |
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good to see the ATF is all over the regulation of ballistic soda cans and tennis balls, great job guys
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Not seeing the letter on the X-products website.
Got a link?? |
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Ok. I have to agree with their ruling. Do away with the ATF.
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Quoted: Should be GTG. But who knows anymore... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Sounds like it. They could just lengthen the tube a bit, tho. Problem averted. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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SBRed lower should be GTG, no? Sounds like it. They could just lengthen the tube a bit, tho. Problem averted. I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot. Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower. |
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I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot. Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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SBRed lower should be GTG, no? Sounds like it. They could just lengthen the tube a bit, tho. Problem averted. I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot. Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower. I welded mine shut. I didn't like the way the end cap was attached. Still...going back for a refund. |
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I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot. Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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SBRed lower should be GTG, no? Sounds like it. They could just lengthen the tube a bit, tho. Problem averted. I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot. Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower. ATF are petty tyrant fucktards? Also the "barre"l is closed and ported so there's no projectile exiting the "barrel", the sleeve itself is the functional barrel. |
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In for inevitable DD (destructive device) ruling after the "it should be gtg on sbr lower", due to the "caliber" of the can.....Coca Cola is now a destructive device View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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SBRed lower should be GTG, no? Should be GTG. But who knows anymore... It's a non-rifled muzzle loader. No more a DD than an antique black powder cannon. |
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FBATFE!!!
How is it they even exist?? They contravene the Constitution itself and all. |
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They going to make duck dummy launchers & nail guns DDs now?
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Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has View Quote They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. |
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I'll start with the AOW, because I know that they're wrong.
An AOW must be able to fire fixed ammunition. The can cannon, to the best of my knowledge, must be used with blanks. The use of real ammunition will destroy the thing, right? Therefore, it can't be an AOW. "Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition." |
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Huh, never wanted one before but now I suddenly do. I've already got an SBR'd lower so I guess it's not an issue.
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Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has View Quote MG fine, SBR fine, AOW fine, but all of those are NFA. No DD involved. |
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They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. Yeah detailed reading vs. skimming actually helps. |
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Quoted: They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it. |
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MG fine, SBR fine, AOW fine, but all of those are NFA. No DD involved. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has MG fine, SBR fine, AOW fine, but all of those are NFA. No DD involved. Yeah, see above. |
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I'll start with the AOW, because I know that they're wrong. An AOW must be able to fire fixed ammunition. The can cannon, to the best of my knowledge, must be used with blanks. The use of real ammunition will destroy the thing, right? Therefore, it can't be an AOW. "Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition." View Quote But they don't have a fixed plug last I heard, so you could theoretically pull the plug and shoot it. That would be their argument. |
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Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it. In theory.... |
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I wouldn't take the ATFs rulings too serious anymore. Between the SCOTUS word definition games and ATF flip flopping, it's best to just take anything they say like you would as if it's coming from your senile drunk 75y/o uncle.
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What exactly do they think it can launch that it would be considered a firearm at all?
Or are they going to ban AP coke cans next |
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Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it. If the lower is registered as an AOW, sure. They covered that, too. Though we should probably wait for them to publish the actual opinion letter. |
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