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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:32:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2016 5:43:14 PM EDT by SkilletsUSMC]
FUCK......

Link to update post here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1790231_ATF_rules_Can_Cannon_an_NFA_item_when_mounted_to_a_non_NFA_lower__UPDATED_1_9_16__page_8_.html&page=8#i57592821

For those of you out there that have a can cannon: Be advised.

EDIT: X Products' founder explains what the issue was with the ATF in this video.



Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:34:20 PM EDT
IN!
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:34:57 PM EDT
Shocked face.


Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:35:36 PM EDT
Huh.

I've already got an SBR'd lower so does this mean I can get one of these can thingies for cheap, now?
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:36:12 PM EDT
Oops
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:36:21 PM EDT
Nothing like broad powers to rule by decree.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:36:24 PM EDT
Fuck that unconstitutional law. Why do we tolerate it?!
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:37:49 PM EDT
good to see the ATF is all over the regulation of ballistic soda cans and tennis balls, great job guys
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:38:03 PM EDT
These fuckers are way out of hand.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:38:29 PM EDT
My pop can shooter is homemade no ruling on that!
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:38:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By invisibleink:
good to see the ATF is all over the regulation of ballistic soda cans and tennis balls, great job guys
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Dude, these things are used in so much crime.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:39:08 PM EDT
That thing that launches soda cans? Are they mentally ill?
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:39:19 PM EDT
SBRed lower should be GTG, no?
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:39:58 PM EDT
Retards gotta retard.

TC
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:40:09 PM EDT
NO FUN ALLOWED
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:40:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By robertmegar:
SBRed lower should be GTG, no?
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Should be GTG. But who knows anymore...
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:40:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By robertmegar:
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Sounds like it.

They could just lengthen the tube a bit, tho. Problem averted.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:41:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2015 11:42:06 PM EDT by Drugmanrx]
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:41:07 PM EDT
Somebody asked about this a couple months ago.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:41:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By robertmegar:
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I don't believe so...
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:42:01 PM EDT
Not seeing the letter on the X-products website.

Got a link??
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:42:29 PM EDT
Ok. I have to agree with their ruling. Do away with the ATF.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:42:36 PM EDT
Oh for fucks sake.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:42:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:


Should be GTG. But who knows anymore...
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Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:
Originally Posted By robertmegar:
SBRed lower should be GTG, no?


Should be GTG. But who knows anymore...
In for inevitable DD (destructive device) ruling after the "it should be gtg on sbr lower", due to the "caliber" of the can.....Coca Cola is now a destructive device
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:42:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:


Sounds like it.

They could just lengthen the tube a bit, tho. Problem averted.
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By robertmegar:
SBRed lower should be GTG, no?


Sounds like it.

They could just lengthen the tube a bit, tho. Problem averted.



I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot.

Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:43:43 PM EDT
Cocksucking ATF.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:44:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:

I don't believe so...
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Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:
Originally Posted By robertmegar:
SBRed lower should be GTG, no?

I don't believe so...



Why wouldn't it be?

They're saying it's an SBR when mated to a lower and non-firearm when it's connected to nothing.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:44:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jhereg:



I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot.

Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower.
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Originally Posted By jhereg:
Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By robertmegar:
SBRed lower should be GTG, no?


Sounds like it.

They could just lengthen the tube a bit, tho. Problem averted.



I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot.

Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower.


I welded mine shut. I didn't like the way the end cap was attached. Still...going back for a refund.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:44:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jhereg:



I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot.

Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower.
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Originally Posted By jhereg:
Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By robertmegar:
SBRed lower should be GTG, no?


Sounds like it.

They could just lengthen the tube a bit, tho. Problem averted.



I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot.

Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower.

ATF are petty tyrant fucktards?

Also the "barre"l is closed and ported so there's no projectile exiting the "barrel", the sleeve itself is the functional barrel.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:45:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:

I don't believe so...
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Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:
Originally Posted By robertmegar:
SBRed lower should be GTG, no?

I don't believe so...

I think so. You're fine as long asylum have SBR lower.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:45:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fivepointoh:
In for inevitable DD (destructive device) ruling after the "it should be gtg on sbr lower", due to the "caliber" of the can.....Coca Cola is now a destructive device
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Originally Posted By fivepointoh:
Originally Posted By SkilletsUSMC:
Originally Posted By robertmegar:
SBRed lower should be GTG, no?


Should be GTG. But who knows anymore...
In for inevitable DD (destructive device) ruling after the "it should be gtg on sbr lower", due to the "caliber" of the can.....Coca Cola is now a destructive device



It's a non-rifled muzzle loader. No more a DD than an antique black powder cannon.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:45:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:45:58 PM EDT
FBATFE!!!

How is it they even exist??

They contravene the Constitution itself and all.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:46:02 PM EDT
They going to make duck dummy launchers & nail guns DDs now?
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:46:08 PM EDT
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redacted because, reading is for faggots.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:47:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:
Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has
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They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:48:30 PM EDT
I'll start with the AOW, because I know that they're wrong.

An AOW must be able to fire fixed ammunition. The can cannon, to the best of my knowledge, must be used with blanks. The use of real ammunition will destroy the thing, right?

Therefore, it can't be an AOW. "Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition."
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Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:48:52 PM EDT
Huh, never wanted one before but now I suddenly do. I've already got an SBR'd lower so I guess it's not an issue.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:48:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:
Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has
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MG fine, SBR fine, AOW fine, but all of those are NFA.

No DD involved.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:50:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:



They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower.
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:
Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has



They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower.

Yeah detailed reading vs. skimming actually helps.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:50:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:



They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower.
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:
Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has



They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower.

Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:51:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Locke556:

MG fine, SBR fine, AOW fine, but all of those are NFA.

No DD involved.
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Originally Posted By Locke556:
Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:
Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has

MG fine, SBR fine, AOW fine, but all of those are NFA.

No DD involved.

Yeah, see above.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:51:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ragedracer1977:
I'll start with the AOW, because I know that they're wrong.

An AOW must be able to fire fixed ammunition. The can cannon, to the best of my knowledge, must be used with blanks. The use of real ammunition will destroy the thing, right?

Therefore, it can't be an AOW. "Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition."
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But they don't have a fixed plug last I heard, so you could theoretically pull the plug and shoot it. That would be their argument.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:51:29 PM EDT
Rat bastards.

In on 1.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:51:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GunnyG:

Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it.
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Originally Posted By GunnyG:
Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:
Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has



They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower.

Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it.

In theory....
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:52:32 PM EDT
I wouldn't take the ATFs rulings too serious anymore. Between the SCOTUS word definition games and ATF flip flopping, it's best to just take anything they say like you would as if it's coming from your senile drunk 75y/o uncle.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:52:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Thesandstonefiles:
Fuck that unconstitutional law. Why do we tolerate it?!
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There is no such thing as "the government." There are only men and women, some who are arbitrarily dictating their will over other men and women.
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:53:02 PM EDT
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What exactly do they think it can launch that it would be considered a firearm at all?


Or are they going to ban AP coke cans next
Link Posted: 9/21/2015 11:53:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GunnyG:

Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it.
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Originally Posted By GunnyG:
Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By AEROMechanic:
Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has



They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower.

Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it.


If the lower is registered as an AOW, sure. They covered that, too.

Though we should probably wait for them to publish the actual opinion letter.
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