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Posted: 11/28/2014 1:02:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/28/2014 1:16:59 PM EDT by LaRue_Tactical]
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 1:06:08 PM EDT
In!

Here is his comment on FB in reference to the Magpul videos:

I've had a lot of people ask me about this: Be careful buying training DVDs that 7 yrs old. If you know how adaptive we are in our training programs then you get my point... If you don't then here: DO NOT BUY THESE. "yes this message is approved by Travis Haley."
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https://www.facebook.com/travis.haley.18/posts/10205126414590391
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 1:07:54 PM EDT
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Drive the weapon system!
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 1:10:09 PM EDT
I have watched a few of the videos on youtube.  Good stuff, but if i can get it for free, why buy?
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Originally Posted By skink:
I have watched a few of the videos on youtube.  Good stuff, but if i can get it for free, why buy?
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um, Do you even operate Bro?
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Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:


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Here is his comment on FB in reference to the Magpul videos:
https://www.facebook.com/travis.haley.18/posts/10205126414590391
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Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:


In!



Here is his comment on FB in reference to the Magpul videos:




I've had a lot of people ask me about this: Be careful buying training DVDs that 7 yrs old. If you know how adaptive we are in our training programs then you get my point... If you don't then here: DO NOT BUY THESE. "yes this message is approved by Travis Haley."




https://www.facebook.com/travis.haley.18/posts/10205126414590391




 
Oh, the drama.  
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 1:19:42 PM EDT
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I need an ORAL IV to make my blood molecules dance.


Be right back.



Link Posted: 11/28/2014 1:21:40 PM EDT
Seven years ago?   Dang, I thought they were older than that.
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  Oh, the drama.  
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Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:
Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:
In!

Here is his comment on FB in reference to the Magpul videos:

I've had a lot of people ask me about this: Be careful buying training DVDs that 7 yrs old. If you know how adaptive we are in our training programs then you get my point... If you don't then here: DO NOT BUY THESE. "yes this message is approved by Travis Haley."


https://www.facebook.com/travis.haley.18/posts/10205126414590391

  Oh, the drama.  


I don't care, personally.  I don't watch the videos.  It seems akin to watching porn and thinking you're going to be good in the sack.

But I do find it funny that he's straight up saying "DO NOT BUY THESE".  Sure, things change, but not that drastically, in 7 years.  

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Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:


I don't care, personally.  I don't watch the videos.  It seems akin to watching porn and thinking you're going to be good in the sack.

But I do find it funny that he's straight up saying "DO NOT BUY THESE".  Sure, things change, but not that drastically, in 7 years.  

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Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:
Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:
In!

Here is his comment on FB in reference to the Magpul videos:

I've had a lot of people ask me about this: Be careful buying training DVDs that 7 yrs old. If you know how adaptive we are in our training programs then you get my point... If you don't then here: DO NOT BUY THESE. "yes this message is approved by Travis Haley."


https://www.facebook.com/travis.haley.18/posts/10205126414590391

  Oh, the drama.  


I don't care, personally.  I don't watch the videos.  It seems akin to watching porn and thinking you're going to be good in the sack.

But I do find it funny that he's straight up saying "DO NOT BUY THESE".  Sure, things change, but not that drastically, in 7 years.  



You never learned any new moves watching porn?



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You never learned any new moves watching porn?
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Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:


Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:


Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:

In!



Here is his comment on FB in reference to the Magpul videos:




I've had a lot of people ask me about this: Be careful buying training DVDs that 7 yrs old. If you know how adaptive we are in our training programs then you get my point... If you don't then here: DO NOT BUY THESE. "yes this message is approved by Travis Haley."




https://www.facebook.com/travis.haley.18/posts/10205126414590391


  Oh, the drama.  





I don't care, personally.  I don't watch the videos.  It seems akin to watching porn and thinking you're going to be good in the sack.



But I do find it funny that he's straight up saying "DO NOT BUY THESE".  Sure, things change, but not that drastically, in 7 years.  







You never learned any new moves watching porn?




 
Whether it's Magpul videos or porn, I'm still jealous of their equipment.
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 1:25:59 PM EDT
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Where's the Aerial Ops video?!?!
Fuck that set!!!

I'm going with Costa's Zombie series...



eta: Scratch that, looks like Aerial Ops is part of the Special Features.
The Complete Art of the Firearm Special Features set contains over 3.5 hours of new footage and training including Low Light Operations, Go Bags, rough-cuts of Dynamic Vehicle and Skydiving Techniques, and the complete Aerial Platform Operations.
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Link Posted: 11/28/2014 1:26:09 PM EDT
The couple of "in-testing" magpul products that Haley was using in the video already seemed unnecessary (bad lever, angled foregrip, side-by-side magazine carrier thingy) and I just kinda ignored them.  Maybe that's what he's trying to steer people away from?

Aside from maybe less flipping of an AR to clear the magazine out of the well... what else has changed as far as actually using the guns?


It'd be interesting to hear what parts of the video are obsolete or at least what people feel is obsolete.
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 1:28:37 PM EDT
These videos are too far behind the dynamic curve. 7 years ago these would offer the dynamic paradigm suitable for operations against the Iraqi insurgency and Taliban but threats change bro. If you're running this sort of  ancient kit and techniques these days,might as well be packing a .38 in a basket weave flap holster and shooting from the  dueling stance. It's your life bro,I'm just trying to save it.
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The Carbine/handgun are the really old ones.  A lot of the gunstuff/equipment they were recomending is old and newer better stuff is out there.  So I think thatss what he is saying.  Think AFGs, slings, rails, optics.
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  Whether it's Magpul videos or porn, I'm still jealous of their equipment.
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Amen.
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 1:32:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:

  Whether it's Magpul videos or porn, I'm still jealous of their equipment.
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Originally Posted By patchouli:

You never learned any new moves watching porn?


  Whether it's Magpul videos or porn, I'm still jealous of their equipment.


But there's at least a chance of buying the equipment in the Magpul vids...



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Originally Posted By skink:
I have watched a few of the videos on youtube.  Good stuff, but if i can get it for free, why buy?
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Why should anyone create content then?
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 1:37:12 PM EDT
Wow, that must have been a really bad breakup...
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 1:42:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By blacksunshinez51:
The Carbine/handgun are the really old ones.  A lot of the gunstuff/equipment they were recomending is old and newer better stuff is out there.  So I think thatss what he is saying.  Think AFGs, slings, rails, optics.
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He could've said it that way, but didn't.


I hope he elaborates.
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 1:44:16 PM EDT
It sounds like Travis made a bunch of porno years ago. But now is now trying to convince the Interweb not to buy it.
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 1:44:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:
These videos are too far behind the dynamic curve. 7 years ago these would offer the dynamic paradigm suitable for operations against the Iraqi insurgency and Taliban but threats change bro. If you're running this sort of  ancient kit and techniques these days,might as well be packing a .38 in a basket weave flap holster and shooting from the  dueling stance. It's your life bro,I'm just trying to save it.



http://www.shootingtimes.com/files/2011/06/32.jpg




My BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBUG. You just never know when only .38 Corto will get the job done

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Originally Posted By outofbattery:
These videos are too far behind the dynamic curve. 7 years ago these would offer the dynamic paradigm suitable for operations against the Iraqi insurgency and Taliban but threats change bro. If you're running this sort of  ancient kit and techniques these days,might as well be packing a .38 in a basket weave flap holster and shooting from the  dueling stance. It's your life bro,I'm just trying to save it.
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Lol, 7 whole years ago, vs "these days".





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Panteo

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I'm guessing he would prefer people buy his newer stuff?
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She really needs to lose the flash suppressors. Those things don't even move!

What were we talking about?
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I'll reiterate that it'd be really nice if he follows up and elaborates.  It doesn't take much to say "some of that is good foundation, but we were using some gear/techniques that were fads, and it's important to know that ____ proved to be a fad, rather than the next best thing".






Or could be his admins made that post.  
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 2:00:54 PM EDT
Elvis just tweeted... Don't buy my movie Blue Hawaii, my royalties ran out... oops...I mean, it's an old movie and love making is different now. You'll die on the street using those techniques.

Really I think this means that the divorce has gotten ugly. I bet Magpul is looking those contracts back over to see if they signed a non-bashing clause.
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 2:06:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sirveaux:
I'll reiterate that it'd be really nice if he follows up and elaborates.  It doesn't take much to say "some of that is good foundation, but we were using some gear/techniques that were fads, and it's important to know that ____ proved to be a fad, rather than the next best thing".






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If it conserns you that much take a class from him and ask him or order his latest video on the subject.  That is how he makes his living after all.
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Originally Posted By Sirveaux:

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Would be funny as hell if he said that.
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Travis is a nice guy and a good teacher, but people seem to forget he is a businessman. People spent years asking him what kind of pants he wore, so he started selling pants.
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 2:18:25 PM EDT
I only use top of the line training materials.




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Do want!
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 2:24:39 PM EDT
Is this an admission that they were essentially teaching fads?


On the other hand, his Adaptive Carbine/Handgun series is really, really good, so maybe he's trying to help people get the most bang for their buck?
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 2:26:30 PM EDT
I heard he doesn't even use that JACK carbine he made that was supposed to be the shiznit.

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Originally Posted By MadMonkey:
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I actually have that...on VHS.
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Honestly, I like the DVDs (my criticisms of it above are already noted), I like the videos he's put out on the side, and he seems to be a really good guy.

I think the rest of the posters in the thread have started coming to conclusions about why he'd say what he has, and that's why it'd be nice to hear something more about it - to give substance to his point, rather than have it look like what folks are currently taking it as.


Right now it seems to have only played out thus far:

"Old=bad."
"Why?"
"..."  (That's where I'd like to have a response.)

If his response eventually proves to be the same as yours "Buy new because I said old=bad and that's how I make my living after all."  ... well, sorry.  As a consumer, I'd like to know what's in the new product.  Why do I need the 2015 model when my 2008 model works fine?

"You have to pass the new course to find out what's in it."  


That's why I'm hoping he follows this up with something.
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 2:34:19 PM EDT
There's very minimal difference in the techniques or equipment used between his Magpul days and his current Panteao Productions stuff. Things do evolve but to suggest that something that was relevant in 2008 is useless today is, well, just not reality. IMO, the Magpul stuff and the present Panteao stuff are BOTH excellent.
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
Gee that much has changed in teaching super basic handgun and carbine manipulations?
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Fundamentals apparently aren't.
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Originally Posted By patchouli:
I heard he doesn't even use that JACK carbine he made that was supposed to be the shiznit.

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There's been one sitting in the AR rack of my local store for at least a year. Another 6 months of cheap ARs on the market and I'm low balling an offer on it
Link Posted: 11/28/2014 3:21:45 PM EDT
He and Costa should get back together.

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