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Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:33:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MeatBag:
Could also be that people don't want to be associated with the most annoying subgroup in firearms, Glock fanboys.
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That would actually be the old cogers, I mean 1911 fanboys.
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:33:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DarkCharisma:
Glock > M&P > Almost everything else > XD
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Cocaine is a helluva drug
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:34:05 PM EDT
I went with the XD 45 because of the grip size and angle. I still love my glocks but they don't point as naturally for me.
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:34:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ColdEngineer:


That would actually be the old cogers, I mean 1911 fanboys.
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Originally Posted By ColdEngineer:
Originally Posted By MeatBag:
Could also be that people don't want to be associated with the most annoying subgroup in firearms, Glock fanboys.


That would actually be the old cogers, I mean 1911 fanboys.



Really
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:37:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DevilDog0402:



Cocaine is a helluva drug
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Originally Posted By DevilDog0402:
Originally Posted By DarkCharisma:
Glock > M&P > Almost everything else > XD



Cocaine is a helluva drug

No he just has fine taste in firearms. Though I'd put High Power below XD
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:38:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DevilDog0402:



Really
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Originally Posted By DevilDog0402:
Originally Posted By ColdEngineer:
Originally Posted By MeatBag:
Could also be that people don't want to be associated with the most annoying subgroup in firearms, Glock fanboys.


That would actually be the old cogers, I mean 1911 fanboys.



Really


Yep. Can't really think of many reasons for all the love for an outdated piece of technology. Sure, it has a lot of history and I will own one some day, but as far as a practical tool? It's utility is magnitudes less than modern handguns.
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:39:07 PM EDT
XDM 5.25 in 9 and 45.
I like the way they feel in my hand don't like Glocks.
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:40:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:

S.A. doesn't really manufacture anything.
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Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:
Originally Posted By westernhaikus1:
backed by one of the largest and most trusted firearms manufacturers,

S.A. doesn't really manufacture anything.

Yes they do.
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:40:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg:


Eh, sorta.

The grip safety actuates a firing pin block that is easily as "safe" as the Glock Safe Action System.

I dont have a dog in this fight, as I have XD's and Glocks, but I really dont buy the argument that an XD is somehow less safe than the Glock.
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Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
Originally Posted By AKengineer:
It's technically a SA with no safety other than the grip and trigger insert. No thanks.


Eh, sorta.

The grip safety actuates a firing pin block that is easily as "safe" as the Glock Safe Action System.

I dont have a dog in this fight, as I have XD's and Glocks, but I really dont buy the argument that an XD is somehow less safe than the Glock.


No, it doesn't. The grip safety prevents the sear from moving. The safety must be depressed for the sear to drop. It's not in any way like the Safe Action system, but nonetheless, just as safe.
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:41:02 PM EDT
Ya know what would be very interesting? If someone or a group of guys on this board acquired duty size Glocks/XDs or XDMs/and M&Ps and put them through the same torture test. Folks that know far more about it than me could design the parameters, and then we could see if there is an actual difference in the ability to perform under normal and extreme circumstances and if any has fewer reliability or durability issues than another.

I'm willing to bet that XDs/XDMs will perform at least as well as both Glock and Smith and Wesson. Old Painless is the only one I know of on this board who has done any sort of objective testing.

Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:41:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ColdEngineer:


Yep. Can't really think of many reasons for all the love for an outdated piece of technology. Sure, it has a lot of history and I will own one some day, but as far as a practical tool? It's utility is magnitudes less than modern handguns.
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Originally Posted By ColdEngineer:
Originally Posted By DevilDog0402:
Originally Posted By ColdEngineer:
Originally Posted By MeatBag:
Could also be that people don't want to be associated with the most annoying subgroup in firearms, Glock fanboys.


That would actually be the old cogers, I mean 1911 fanboys.



Really


Yep. Can't really think of many reasons for all the love for an outdated piece of technology. Sure, it has a lot of history and I will own one some day, but as far as a practical tool? It's utility is magnitudes less than modern handguns.

Meh, I owned a 1911 for about a year and I wound up selling it in favor for a Glock
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:41:12 PM EDT
How about splitting the difference and get a Beretta PX4 Storm in one of it's three shapes and sizes........
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:41:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlashHole:
With thousands and thousands of rounds downrange, my XD has never had a failure of any kind. Hard to really bitch about that. Plus, I consider the grip safety a bonus. I can holster my gun without depressing it, which means even if the trigger snags, I won't end up with Glock leg. Plus, their nickname is grenade.



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you do realize XD's have grenaded as well right ? almost every polymer pistol have blown up try doing a search you will be surprised I was. Even my beloved USP's have blown up too
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:42:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dunderway:

Yes they do.
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Originally Posted By Dunderway:
Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:
Originally Posted By westernhaikus1:
backed by one of the largest and most trusted firearms manufacturers,

S.A. doesn't really manufacture anything.

Yes they do.

And most SA products are manufactured outside of the US. At least my Glock is US made

ETA to make more sense lol
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:43:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kiltakaze:

And most is manufactured outside of the US. At least my Glock is US made
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Originally Posted By Kiltakaze:
Originally Posted By Dunderway:
Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:
Originally Posted By westernhaikus1:
backed by one of the largest and most trusted firearms manufacturers,

S.A. doesn't really manufacture anything.

Yes they do.

And most is manufactured outside of the US. At least my Glock is US made

I wouldnt buy a US made Glock
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:45:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:



They were a LOT cheaper when they were called the HS2000.
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Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:
Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
For awhile they were slightly cheaper.



They were a LOT cheaper when they were called the HS2000.


$299 was the max price....anywhere....until they were molded with Springfield on the side....that cost an additional $100...
To get it to say XD (eXtreme Duty) that launched the production cost to $500....of course lots of advertising accompanied that cost...
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:45:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By p226guy:

I wouldnt buy a US made Glock
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Originally Posted By p226guy:
Originally Posted By Kiltakaze:
Originally Posted By Dunderway:
Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:
Originally Posted By westernhaikus1:
backed by one of the largest and most trusted firearms manufacturers,

S.A. doesn't really manufacture anything.

Yes they do.

And most is manufactured outside of the US. At least my Glock is US made

I wouldnt buy a US made Glock

Why not? If you don't mind the asking
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:45:16 PM EDT
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I agree OP. The HS2000 is ugly cheap looking imported garbage. Looks like something a gangbanger would carry.
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:46:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kiltakaze:

And most SA products are manufactured outside of the US. At least my Glock is US made

ETA to make more sense lol
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Originally Posted By Kiltakaze:
Originally Posted By Dunderway:
Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:
Originally Posted By westernhaikus1:
backed by one of the largest and most trusted firearms manufacturers,

S.A. doesn't really manufacture anything.

Yes they do.

And most SA products are manufactured outside of the US. At least my Glock is US made

ETA to make more sense lol
That's true. But what he said was incorrect.
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:46:08 PM EDT
It's the finest pistol the Croatian arms industry has ever produced. The HS2000 . . . er, I mean the Springfield Armory XD is an American classic!
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:46:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By badgerking:


I've got over a 1,000 rounds through my XD 45. It is accurate, 100% reliable, easy to shoot, fits my hand, and one of the best pistols I have ever owned. It is wasn't huge, I'd carry it instead of my Beretta.
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Originally Posted By badgerking:
Originally Posted By pcsutton:
I fired my new XD.45 about 50 times and concluded I had just been fucked.

What a second rate piece of shit.



I've got over a 1,000 rounds through my XD 45. It is accurate, 100% reliable, easy to shoot, fits my hand, and one of the best pistols I have ever owned. It is wasn't huge, I'd carry it instead of my Beretta.


I am just a little guy and I can still manage to carry it daily.
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:47:20 PM EDT
I've had my XD for, probably 6 or 7 years now. got it from a guy who owned it for less then a month, needed to make a truck payment, $350 with about 100 rounds of defensive ammo. good deal.

Ive shot tons threw it and its never, ever had a single jam or failure of any kind except ONE failure to lock on empty using tula ammo.

Its been a good gun. I've always preferred something with a hammer, but I really can't complain about this pistol.
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:47:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dunderway:
That's true. But what he said was incorrect.
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Originally Posted By Dunderway:
Originally Posted By Kiltakaze:
Originally Posted By Dunderway:
Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:
Originally Posted By westernhaikus1:
backed by one of the largest and most trusted firearms manufacturers,

S.A. doesn't really manufacture anything.

Yes they do.

And most SA products are manufactured outside of the US. At least my Glock is US made

ETA to make more sense lol
That's true. But what he said was incorrect.

I agree on your point
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:48:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DevilDog0402:



Really
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Originally Posted By DevilDog0402:
Originally Posted By ColdEngineer:
Originally Posted By MeatBag:
Could also be that people don't want to be associated with the most annoying subgroup in firearms, Glock fanboys.


That would actually be the old cogers, I mean 1911 fanboys.



Really
Just take a look at the "motivational poster thread" stickied in the 1911 forum if you have any doubts.
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:49:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BigPony:


Now this guy gets it
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Originally Posted By BigPony:
Originally Posted By poisontree:
Duty pistol is xd 45 tactical, off duty is glock 19 or p229 dak. Just got fnx 45 tactical which is > all of them.... get every pistol


Now this guy gets it


Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:50:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jeff93:
If you're buying that type of gun based on looks, then you're a fucktard.
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Yeeep
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:51:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chapman:


No, it doesn't. The grip safety prevents the sear from moving. The safety must be depressed for the sear to drop. It's not in any way like the Safe Action system, but nonetheless, just as safe.
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Originally Posted By Chapman:
Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
Originally Posted By AKengineer:
It's technically a SA with no safety other than the grip and trigger insert. No thanks.


Eh, sorta.

The grip safety actuates a firing pin block that is easily as "safe" as the Glock Safe Action System.

I dont have a dog in this fight, as I have XD's and Glocks, but I really dont buy the argument that an XD is somehow less safe than the Glock.


No, it doesn't. The grip safety prevents the sear from moving. The safety must be depressed for the sear to drop. It's not in any way like the Safe Action system, but nonetheless, just as safe.
Everything wrong with a series 80 1911 in an ugly polymer shell. For a third world sidearm it's really not a bad weapon, but it isn't anything innovative.
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:51:44 PM EDT
Had the G23 (.40cal).
Accurate, reliable...uncomfortable to shoot after a few hundred rounds, crap trigger.

Traded for XD (.40cal)
Less accurate that the Glock, reliable, way more comfortable to shoot for long periods of time, better trigger than the Glock.

Traded for Mauser M2 (.40cal).
Superior than either above in every way.

Brother still has the HS2000....after 13 years the only failure was the rear sight falling out....it has seen a lot of rounds o they do hold up.
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:51:55 PM EDT
I bought mine because I liked it and the grip angle and size were a better match than the Glock. I haven't fired a Gen 4 Glock in 45ACP but it feels better in my hand than the previous generations.
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:52:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kiltakaze:

You gonna be okay there Margaret or do we need to explain humor to you
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Originally Posted By dogbert4-1:
Originally Posted By p226guy:
Originally Posted By Evilsmurfkilla:
Grip safety makes them feel safer. I traded my XD(m) for a Glock 20.

This is my safety
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It was a movie, and such stupidity should not be taught or copied in REAL LIFE by anybody. I don't care how bad assed somebody might think themselves to be.

You gonna be okay there Margaret or do we need to explain humor to you


Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:53:34 PM EDT
I did my best to convince a good friend to buy something other than an XD (I was pushing for an M&P) but he had his heart set on it, so I gave up. He likes it and shoots it fairly well, so... whatever.

I'm more of a Glock/M&P/HK/FN guy though
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:54:36 PM EDT
I got one in a deal and didn't expect much of it. I was pleasantly surprised. Points similar to a 1911, utterly reliable.
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Originally Posted By dogbert4-1:
Originally Posted By Kiltakaze:
Originally Posted By dogbert4-1:
Originally Posted By p226guy:
Originally Posted By Evilsmurfkilla:
Grip safety makes them feel safer. I traded my XD(m) for a Glock 20.

This is my safety
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It was a movie, and such stupidity should not be taught or copied in REAL LIFE by anybody. I don't care how bad assed somebody might think themselves to be.

You gonna be okay there Margaret or do we need to explain humor to you


http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i37/2/11/2/frabz-Shut-the-hell-up-And-choke-yourself-bd46ab.jpg

Do we need to get the doll so you can show us where the bad man touched you?
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Originally Posted By Dunderway:
Just take a look at the "motivational poster thread" stickied in the 1911 forum if you have any doubts.
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Originally Posted By Dunderway:
Originally Posted By DevilDog0402:
Originally Posted By ColdEngineer:
Originally Posted By MeatBag:
Could also be that people don't want to be associated with the most annoying subgroup in firearms, Glock fanboys.


That would actually be the old cogers, I mean 1911 fanboys.



Really
Just take a look at the "motivational poster thread" stickied in the 1911 forum if you have any doubts.



Beats the hell out of a "show us your Glocks" picture thread!
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Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg:


Eh, sorta.

The grip safety actuates a firing pin block that is easily as "safe" as the Glock Safe Action System.

I dont have a dog in this fight, as I have XD's and Glocks, but I really dont buy the argument that an XD is somehow less safe than the Glock.
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Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
Originally Posted By AKengineer:
It's technically a SA with no safety other than the grip and trigger insert. No thanks.


Eh, sorta.

The grip safety actuates a firing pin block that is easily as "safe" as the Glock Safe Action System.

I dont have a dog in this fight, as I have XD's and Glocks, but I really dont buy the argument that an XD is somehow less safe than the Glock.


The drop safety disengages by pulling the trigger. The grip safety is separate. So the XD's have the same safeties (drop and trigger) as a Glock, with the addition of the grip safety.
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Originally Posted By pcsutton:
I fired my new XD.45 about 50 times and concluded I had just been fucked.

What a second rate piece of shit.

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My story also. I have a Shield that I'm somewhat satisfied with but soon as Glock builds one, it's history.
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Originally Posted By feelthepayne:
Because they don't feel like a brick.

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This right here. I feel like I'm holding a 2x4 with a Glock. Meanwhile the XDm/S series feels fantastic.
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I have an original series XD-45 when SA first licensed the HS-2000.

I used to carry it concealed all the time, and I'm a relatively small guy.
It's always fired, it's easy to clean, it's accurate and it's comfortable.

I simply don't understand the hate?
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 3:58:52 PM EDT
F'N 13'ers!
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Originally Posted By tifosi:
I have an original series XD-45 when SA first licensed the HS-2000.

I used to carry it concealed all the time, and I'm a relatively small guy.
It's always fired, it's easy to clean, it's accurate and it's comfortable.

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I don't either. I like the XDs, Glocks, and M&Ps pretty much equally.
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This is clearly the only answer....


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This is clearly the only answer....


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It can fire with the magazine removed though
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Those people buy only on how it "feels" most times too. They don't consider things like reliability, aftermarket support and overall satisfaction for what it was meant to do.

There is also something else most don't consider and something I feel is one of the biggest factors in considering a fighting handgun....balance.

The entire XD line feels poorly balanced and for me that makes them less shootable.

Overall they suck IMO

I heard somebody here call them a "Croatian Hi-Point"

It kind of describes them pretty well. I never thought they were that great and was a little odd that when they came to the US as the HS 2000 the gun writers said they were MEH.

Then SA buys them and runs a huge ad campaign and they are the tits of the new gun world.

Pass.
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Originally Posted By tifosi:
I have an original series XD-45 when SA first licensed the HS-2000.

I used to carry it concealed all the time, and I'm a relatively small guy.
It's always fired, it's easy to clean, it's accurate and it's comfortable.

I simply don't understand the hate?
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It's not hate so much as it's an inefficient design. It cocks the striker all the way so it could have a much better trigger, but the safeties drown out the good trigger pull. Instead of the clean and simple mechanism of a Glock with a pre-loaded but not cocked striker or the SA with a manual safety of a 1911 it combines both in a cluster of mediocre. It seems to be a robust and safe design, but that seems to be all it has going for it. Granted the M series smooths out of some of that but it didn't need to be there in the first place.
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This is clearly the only answer....


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I consider mine an excellent weapon.
Link Posted: 3/4/2014 4:05:45 PM EDT
I like and own both, hard for me to find a gun I don't like, its a curse I guess.
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Originally Posted By Kiltakaze:

Meh, I owned a 1911 for about a year and I wound up selling it in favor for a Glock
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Originally Posted By ColdEngineer:
Originally Posted By DevilDog0402:
Originally Posted By ColdEngineer:
Originally Posted By MeatBag:
Could also be that people don't want to be associated with the most annoying subgroup in firearms, Glock fanboys.


That would actually be the old cogers, I mean 1911 fanboys.



Really


Yep. Can't really think of many reasons for all the love for an outdated piece of technology. Sure, it has a lot of history and I will own one some day, but as far as a practical tool? It's utility is magnitudes less than modern handguns.

Meh, I owned a 1911 for about a year and I wound up selling it in favor for a Glock
You also wear dresses...so.
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I like mine.

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Originally Posted By SLRrifleworks:
I dig my XD. Some reason I shoot pretty well with it. Its kind of an all purpose tool the way I shoot it.
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Never tried a Glock for any significant time. I have a M&P but I can't shoot if for shit.

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So how is that Insight X2 light/laser unit working out for you?

I had one that I returned for a refund three days after I bought it.

Damn thing sucked brand new batteries dead in about three minutes. Maybe mine was just defective, but would like to hear your experience.

(Yes, mine was LED, not Xenon).
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