The rule also removes the unique proof of residency requirements in §§ 478.124 and 478.125 for aliens purchasing a firearm

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Cliffs notes:  ATF just made it easier for anyone who is not an American citizen to buy guns.

Since BATFE is directly under Obama's executive branch, this makes sense.

Restrict US citizens every way possible, make it easier for aliens.

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What actually happened is they realized their practice was discriminatory and not based in statute.

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Cliffs notes:  ATF just made it easier for anyone who is not an American citizen to buy guns, yes, including illegal aliens, since no proof of residency is now required.

Which of us US citizens could go out and buy a new gun without proof of residency?

Since BATFE is directly under Obama's executive branch, this makes sense. It's like a legal version of fast and furious, since most Mexican nationals will not be in the NICS database.

If you are not a citizen of the United States, what is your U.S.-issued alien number or admission number?

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Are you an FFL? If so, surely you know that gun buyers must provide a green card number to show that they are in the U.S. legally. If you're not a dealer, the next time you buy a gun take a look at question 15:



On a related point, let me ask you a question: Do you think the right to own a gun is something bestowed by the U.S. government on its citizens? Or, do you believe that the right to defend oneself (and by extension, the right to possess the means to do so) is an inalienable right bestowed on all free men by their creator?

ETA: BTW, all gun buyers must provide a photo ID that establishes residency (or, alternatively, a photo ID and some other government document that establishes residency). The only change is that aliens no longer need to prove they have been in that residence for at least 90 days.

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Cliffs notes:  ATF just made it easier for anyone who is not an American citizen to buy guns, yes, including illegal aliens, since no proof of residency is now required.



Which of us US citizens could go out and buy a new gun without proof of residency?



Since BATFE is directly under Obama's executive branch, this makes sense. It's like a legal version of fast and furious, since most Mexican nationals will not be in the NICS database.

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Yep.  And as another poster stated, if ATF was all about fixing statutory issues, they'd remove the whole 2 long gun notification requirement on the southern borders.  This is just another attempt by the Obama administration to fuck gun owners after Fast and Furious went to hell.  

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Yep.  And as another poster stated, if ATF was all about fixing statutory issues, they'd remove the whole 2 long gun notification requirement on the southern borders.  This is just another attempt by the Obama administration to fuck gun owners after Fast and Furious went to hell.  

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Good, there should be no restrictions on anybody.

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Does this mean that I could buy a gun while on holiday in the US?

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Cliffs notes:  ATF just made it easier for anyone who is not an American citizen to buy guns, yes, including illegal aliens, since no proof of residency is now required.

Which of us US citizens could go out and buy a new gun without proof of residency?

Since BATFE is directly under Obama's executive branch, this makes sense. It's like a legal version of fast and furious, since most Mexican nationals will not be in the NICS database.

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Does this mean that I could buy a gun while on holiday in the US?

Q3. May a nonimmigrant alien who has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant alien visa purchase or possess a firearm in the U.S.?

A3. An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is not prohibited from purchasing, receiving, or possessing a firearm if the alien falls within one of the following exceptions: (1) is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued by the Federal Government, a State, or local government, or an Indian tribe federally recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, which is valid and unexpired; (2) was admitted to the United States for lawful hunting or sporting purposes; (3) has received a waiver from the prohibition from the Attorney General of the United States; (4) is an official representative of a foreign government who is accredited to the United States Government or the Government’s mission to an international organization having its headquarters in the United States; (5) is en route to or from another country to which that alien is accredited; (6) is an official of a foreign government or a distinguished foreign visitor who has been so designated by the Department of State; or (7) is a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business.
In addition, a nonimmigrant alien legally in the United States with or without a nonimmigrant visa may lawfully acquire a firearm only if he/she meets State of residence requirements as required by the Federal government. For more information, see ATF Ruling 2010-6 at: http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2010-6.pdf.

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It would appear that way, providing you have all of the required documents.


 

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Does this mean that I could buy a gun while on holiday in the US?

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I'm not sure how removing the 90-day residency requirement for aliens qualifies as an attempt to fuck gun owners. Perhaps you could spell that out for me.

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So restricting citizens in border states to 2 longarms a month is based in statute?

Show me where, please.

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS - REVISED ATF F4473 (APRIL 2012 EDITION)

Q1. Who is a nonimmigrant alien?

A1. Generally, “nonimmigrant aliens” are tourists, students, business travelers, and temporary workers who enter the U.S. for fixed periods of time; they are lawfully admitted aliens who are not lawful permanent residents. In order to meet the definition of a nonimmigrant alien, the individual MUST hold a nonimmigrant visa. The definition does NOT include permanent resident aliens, aliens legally admitted to the U.S. with a visa other than a nonimmigrant visa, or aliens legally admitted to the U.S. without a visa.

Q2. How does the reinterpretation of the Gun Control Act’s firearms disabilities for certain nonimmigrant aliens impact nonimmigrant aliens?

A2. There is no change with respect to nonimmigrant aliens who were admitted under a nonimmigrant visa. The interpretation of the Gun Control Act affects aliens who are lawfully in the United States without a nonimmigrant visa.
Nonimmigrant aliens lawfully admitted to the United States without a visa (e.g. Visa Waiver Program), will not be prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing firearms or ammunition, provided that they meet State of residency requirements and are not otherwise prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing firearms.

Q3. May a nonimmigrant alien who has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant alien visa purchase or possess a firearm in the U.S.?

A3. An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is not prohibited from purchasing, receiving, or possessing a firearm if the alien falls within one of the following exceptions: (1) is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued by the Federal Government, a State, or local government, or an Indian tribe federally recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, which is valid and unexpired; (2) was admitted to the United States for lawful hunting or sporting purposes; (3) has received a waiver from the prohibition from the Attorney General of the United States; (4) is an official representative of a foreign government who is accredited to the United States Government or the Government’s mission to an international organization having its headquarters in the United States; (5) is en route to or from another country to which that alien is accredited; (6) is an official of a foreign government or a distinguished foreign visitor who has been so designated by the Department of State; or (7) is a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business.
In addition, a nonimmigrant alien legally in the United States with or without a nonimmigrant visa may lawfully acquire a firearm only if he/she meets State of residence requirements as required by the Federal government. For more information, see ATF Ruling 2010-6 at: http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2010-6.pdf.

Q4. If I’m a nonimmigrant alien legally in the United States with a nonimmigrant visa, what documentation must I provide to the Federal firearms licensee (FFL) prior to acquiring a firearm?

A4. It is unlawful for a FFL to sell or deliver any firearm to any nonlicensee who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in the State in which the licensee’s place of business is located. Exceptions are provided for over-the-counter transfers of a rifle or shotgun to out-of-State residents if the transfers fully comply with the State laws of the buyer and seller, and for loans and rentals of a firearm for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.
To acquire a firearm, you must demonstrate the intention of making a home in a particular State. The intention of making a home in a State must be demonstrated to a Federal firearms licensee by presenting valid government issued identification documents indicating an address in the state in which the licensee’s place of business is located. Such documents include, but are not limited to, driver’s licenses, voter registration, tax records, or vehicle registration. For more information, see ATF Ruling 2001-5 available at: http://atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2001-5.html.
In addition, you must also demonstrate that you fall within one of the exceptions outlined in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2). (Refer to Question #3 above).

Q5. I’m a nonimmigrant alien lawfully present in the United States without a visa. May I purchase or possess a firearm in the United States?

A5. A nonimmigrant alien who is lawfully admitted to the United States without a visa (e.g. Visa Waiver Program), may acquire or possess a firearm in the United States, provided that he or she is not prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing firearms or ammunition in the U.S.
In addition, a nonimmigrant alien legally in the United States with or without a nonimmigrant visa may lawfully acquire a firearm only if he/she meets State of residence requirements as required by the Federal government. For more information, see ATF Ruling 2010-6 at: http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2010-6.pdf.
These requirements are irrespective of the licensed status of the individual from whom the alien is purchasing the firearm. An unlicensed individual is prohibited from selling a firearm to an out-of-State resident. A Federal firearms licensee (FFL) is prohibited, with few exceptions, from transferring a firearm to an out-of-State resident.

Q6. What is the Visa Waiver Program?

A6. The Visa Waiver Program enables nationals from participating countries to travel to the United States for tourism or business for stays of 90 days or less without obtaining a visa. Participating countries can be found at the Department of State website available at: http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html.

Q7. Does a nonimmigrant alien lawfully present in the United States with or without a visa have to comply with the 90 day residency requirement?

A7. No. The 90 day residency requirement is no longer in effect. However, a nonimmigrant alien who is lawfully present in the United States must comply with State of residence requirements as required by the Federal government. For more information, see ATF Ruling 2010-6 at: http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2010-6.pdf.

Q8. I Answered Item 10.a on the ATF Form 4473. Do I have to answer 10.b. as well?

A8. Yes. You must select at least one race in item 10.b. regardless of ethnicity designation selected in item 10.a. Both items must be answered. Ethnicity and race are further defined below:
Ethnicity – This refers to a person’s heritage. Persons of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race, are considered Hispanic or Latino. Any other ethnicity that does not fall within those indicated, please select the closest representation.
Race – More than one response may be selected. o American Indian or Alaska Native - A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America), and who maintains a tribal affiliation or community attachment. o Asian - A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam. o Black or African American - A person having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa. o Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander - A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands. o White - A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa.

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It would appear that way, providing you have all of the required documents.

 

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Valid ID is still required, a NICS check still has to be done, non-Citizens still have to provide their green card / visa number, the only change is that now I don't have to show 3 months of utility bills every time I buy a gun.  

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Does this mean that I could buy a gun while on holiday in the US?

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OK, for the benefit of folks who care about such arcane shit, here is a Q&A document from the BATFE to explain recent changes to the 4473 . . .





 

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Does this mean that I could buy a gun while on holiday in the US?

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The timing of this is suspect, as is the intent.

Since Team Obama doesn't believe in the right of individuals to own firearms, why would they order the ATF to relax the residency requirement requirements on purchasing firearms?

I suspect something entirely different with this move...

The intent is obviously to make it easier for foreign nationals to purchase firearms in the US.  Why?

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maybe . . .

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Does this mean that I could buy a gun while on holiday in the US?

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What actually happened is they realized their practice was discriminatory and not based in statute.

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Does your knee hurt from jerking it so hard?


Good change.

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The timing of this is suspect, as is the intent.





Since Team Obama doesn't believe in the right of individuals to own firearms, why would they order the ATF to relax the residency requirement requirements on purchasing firearms?





I suspect something entirely different with this move...





The intent is obviously to make it easier for foreign nationals to purchase firearms in the US.  Why?

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Cliffs notes:  ATF just made it easier for anyone who is not an American citizen to buy guns, yes, including illegal aliens, since no proof of residency is now required.

Which of us US citizens could go out and buy a new gun without proof of residency?

Since BATFE is directly under Obama's executive branch, this makes sense. It's like a legal version of fast and furious, since most Mexican nationals will not be in the NICS database.

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There'd be no intention of leaving with it.

Let me ask this direct question, if I as a foreign national travelled to the US for a 3-4 week stay, could I purchase a firearm with a valid hunting license and leave it with someone in the US (a US citizen) so I could use on future trips for shooting competitions and hunting?

My reading of that is that yes I could quite legally.
Would any of you agree with that?

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Valid ID is still required, a NICS check still has to be done, non-Citizens still have to provide their green card / visa number, the only change is that now I don't have to show 3 months of utility bills every time I buy a gun.  

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So restricting citizens in border states to 2 longarms a month is based in statute?

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The timing of this is suspect, as is the intent.

Since Team Obama doesn't believe in the right of individuals to own firearms, why would they order the ATF to relax the residency requirement requirements on purchasing firearms?

I suspect something entirely different with this move...

The intent is obviously to make it easier for foreign nationals to purchase firearms in the US.  Why?

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That is funny. I bet you think we give out free guns at Welcome Centers too.
 

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There'd be no intention of leaving with it.

Let me ask this direct question, if I as a foreign national travelled to the US for a 3-4 week stay, could I purchase a firearm with a valid hunting license and leave it with someone in the US (a US citizen) so I could use on future trips for shooting competitions and hunting?

My reading of that is that yes I could quite legally.
Would any of you agree with that?

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Cliffs notes:  ATF just made it easier for anyone who is not an American citizen to buy guns, yes, including illegal aliens, since no proof of residency is now required.

Which of us US citizens could go out and buy a new gun without proof of residency?

Since BATFE is directly under Obama's executive branch, this makes sense. It's like a legal version of fast and furious, since most Mexican nationals will not be in the NICS database.

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From any other administration this would be a good change but this administration has proved many times over that it doesn't care about following the law or regulations, so why all of a sudden are they now so concerned in this one case?

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Cliffs notes:  ATF just made it easier for anyone who is not an American citizen to buy guns, yes, including illegal aliens, since no proof of residency is now required.
Which of us US citizens could go out and buy a new gun without proof of residency?

Since BATFE is directly under Obama's executive branch, this makes sense. It's like a legal version of fast and furious, since most Mexican nationals will not be in the NICS database.

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There'd be no intention of leaving with it.

Let me ask this direct question, if I as a foreign national travelled to the US for a 3-4 week stay, could I purchase a firearm with a valid hunting license and leave it with someone in the US (a US citizen) so I could use on future trips for shooting competitions and hunting?

My reading of that is that yes I could quite legally.
Would any of you agree with that?

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My thoughts exactly, this isn't being done because it's the right thing to do.

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There'd be no intention of leaving with it.





Let me ask this direct question, if I as a foreign national travelled to the US for a 3-4 week stay, could I purchase a firearm with a valid hunting license and leave it with someone in the US (a US citizen) so I could use on future trips for shooting competitions and hunting?





My reading of that is that yes I could quite legally.


Would any of you agree with that?