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Posted: 6/19/2012 1:49:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/19/2012 1:54:45 PM EDT by TylerF]
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 1:53:15 PM EDT
check out the pinch point in that feed tray!
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 1:58:24 PM EDT
Funny how the ricochets look like they are going faster than the rounds in flight.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 2:00:40 PM EDT
Group buy?
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 2:01:15 PM EDT
I thought they were primarily AA guns but all the targets are in the ground role. Are these weapons mostly just ground weapons now.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 2:02:21 PM EDT
Play with its replacement, the Tunguska, in Battlefield 3. Every team needs a good mobile AA driver.

And someone willing to sneak up on that mobile AA driver and pile C4 onto his vehicle.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 2:03:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lone-Wolf:
I thought they were primarily AA guns but all the targets are in the ground role. Are these weapons mostly just ground weapons now.


Not exactly useful against modern birds, pretty fucking useful against soft targets is my uneducated view. Same thing with the Duster.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 2:04:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lone-Wolf:
I thought they were primarily AA guns but all the targets are in the ground role. Are these weapons mostly just ground weapons now.


I read somewhere that the Reds used these for convoy protection in Afghanistan and they were extremely effective. They would pull out the Radar to free space for more ammo.

I always thought something like the turret from the M42 Duster on the Stryker chassis would be cool.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 2:05:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lone-Wolf:
I thought they were primarily AA guns but all the targets are in the ground role. Are these weapons mostly just ground weapons now.


They were designed for low flying aircraft.

Now the battle field has VERY few low flying aircraft, so it only has 2 purposes - helicopters & ground targets.

For the ground target role, the zsu can kick the butt of many types of implements. It has been used to pretty amazing effects in Syria & Libya
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 2:05:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lone-Wolf:
I thought they were primarily AA guns but all the targets are in the ground role. Are these weapons mostly just ground weapons now.

They are.

However, they became popular in Afghanistan in the '80s and Chechnya in the '90s as ground support/convoy escort due to their high ROF spitting out HE and HE-I and high gun elevation allowing them to shoot up mountainsides and tall buildings.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 2:06:39 PM EDT
My favorite AA vehicle of all time.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 2:09:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/19/2012 2:11:20 PM EDT by Charging_Handle]
Lots of our guys used the M55 "Quad 50" against ground targets in Vietnam to devastating effect. In some instances, they were even used to dump withering fire on the reverse slopes of distant hills where the NVA were firing mortars from.



Link Posted: 6/19/2012 2:12:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 2:17:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Lots of our guys used the M55 "Quad 50" against ground targets in Vietnam to devastating effect. In some instances, they were even used to dump withering fire on the reverse slopes of distant hills where the NVA were firing mortars from.

http://youtu.be/aczpm9r-K18



not like we don't have any shortage of old .50s I would love to see a modern take on that on a humvee or stryker.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 2:24:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 2:48:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mcantu:
Tungusta is more better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ce9mgml9Gk&feature=related


Very nice. Reminds me of the Gepard.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 3:10:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Lots of our guys used the M55 "Quad 50" against ground targets in Vietnam to devastating effect. In some instances, they were even used to dump withering fire on the reverse slopes of distant hills where the NVA were firing mortars from.

http://youtu.be/aczpm9r-K18



For the first 10 seconds when that dude is traversing the M-55, for some reason, Bubb Rubb saying "the whistles go wooooooo!" played in my head.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 3:16:13 PM EDT
We tried.

Link Posted: 6/19/2012 3:30:05 PM EDT


This is what they look like after we kill 'em
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 3:55:34 PM EDT
My father's neighbor was an AH-1 Cobra pilot based in Germany in the 70's/80's and said the ZSU-23's were his biggest fear since they expected hundreds of them to come over the Fulda Gap with the armor units if the balloon went up.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 4:00:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Lots of our guys used the M55 "Quad 50" against ground targets in Vietnam to devastating effect. In some instances, they were even used to dump withering fire on the reverse slopes of distant hills where the NVA were firing mortars from.

http://youtu.be/aczpm9r-K18



not like we don't have any shortage of old .50s I would love to see a modern take on that on a humvee or stryker.


We fill that role with the mInigun
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 4:02:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DRich:
My father's neighbor was an AH-1 Cobra pilot based in Germany in the 70's/80's and said the ZSU-23's were his biggest fear since they expected hundreds of them to come over the Fulda Gap with the armor units if the balloon went up.


And then we invented the HARM. Radar love, baby.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 4:03:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DonKey153:
check out the pinch point in that feed tray!



Ivan...the three fingered gunner.

Link Posted: 6/19/2012 4:06:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/19/2012 4:07:11 PM EDT by DRich]
Originally Posted By Strongbow:
Originally Posted By DRich:
My father's neighbor was an AH-1 Cobra pilot based in Germany in the 70's/80's and said the ZSU-23's were his biggest fear since they expected hundreds of them to come over the Fulda Gap with the armor units if the balloon went up.


And then we invented the HARM. Radar love, baby.


But the ZSU also had passive infrared tracking. No active counter measures for that one...
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 4:14:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fire_medic:
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6085/6110802422_b11cda264e_z.jpg

This is what they look like after we kill 'em


Did you kill it??? I have had dreams putting a TOW into the side of one!!!
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 4:19:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Strongbow:
Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Lots of our guys used the M55 "Quad 50" against ground targets in Vietnam to devastating effect. In some instances, they were even used to dump withering fire on the reverse slopes of distant hills where the NVA were firing mortars from.

http://youtu.be/aczpm9r-K18



not like we don't have any shortage of old .50s I would love to see a modern take on that on a humvee or stryker.


We fill that role with the mInigun


The obvious answer is to call up GE and request quad mounted .50 BMG miniguns.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 4:20:01 PM EDT
I always liked it as well. Has a good slow mo scene in Avalon. I always thought a good name for it would have been 'Shiva', multiple-armed goddess of death and destruction.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 4:22:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Drakich:
Funny how the ricochets look like they are going faster than the rounds in flight.


Its the point of reference, they look slower going fairly straight away from you, then you change the angle and you can more clearly see the rate of distance travelled.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 4:23:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Lots of our guys used the M55 "Quad 50" against ground targets in Vietnam to devastating effect. In some instances, they were even used to dump withering fire on the reverse slopes of distant hills where the NVA were firing mortars from.

http://youtu.be/aczpm9r-K18



Outside Bastonge during the battle of the bulge, a quad .50 on a half track racked up about 250 German KIA in just a few seconds. German infantry apparently thought the rig was theirs and walked up on it in the fog.

Link Posted: 6/19/2012 4:25:29 PM EDT

Ah yes, the Sgt York DIVAD...
If your ever near Little Rock AR. Go to Camp Robinson which in in North Little Rock. They have one on static outdoor display.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 5:02:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 36_gauge:
Originally Posted By Lone-Wolf:
I thought they were primarily AA guns but all the targets are in the ground role. Are these weapons mostly just ground weapons now.


Not exactly useful against modern birds, pretty fucking useful against soft targets is my uneducated view. Same thing with the Duster.

Quad .50s in Korea against human waves
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 5:09:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Slug-O:
Originally Posted By fire_medic:
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6085/6110802422_b11cda264e_z.jpg

This is what they look like after we kill 'em


Did you kill it??? I have had dreams putting a TOW into the side of one!!!


An Apache hit it flipped it. I was in a MP Co in Desert Storm. We were first on the scene took the POW's. She didn't burn like the BMP's did.

Link Posted: 6/19/2012 5:11:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Lots of our guys used the M55 "Quad 50" against ground targets in Vietnam to devastating effect. In some instances, they were even used to dump withering fire on the reverse slopes of distant hills where the NVA were firing mortars from.

http://youtu.be/aczpm9r-K18



wasn't that the M33, or is that << an earlier version ?
My old man's 1950s AAA unit (120 gun and 75mm
Skysweeper) had quads for perimeter defense and
low-flying commies.

.50 ? Badass. Four together ? Shit hot !

ZSU23-4? very formidable.

M42 DUSTER ? dusty loud and badass !
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 5:12:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Lots of our guys used the M55 "Quad 50" against ground targets in Vietnam to devastating effect. In some instances, they were even used to dump withering fire on the reverse slopes of distant hills where the NVA were firing mortars from.

http://youtu.be/aczpm9r-K18



Sigh I love the Nam. This is America though why isn't there 6-8 Ma dueces on there?
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 5:17:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JBlitzen:
Play with its replacement, the Tunguska, in Battlefield 3. Every team needs a good mobile AA driver.

And someone willing to sneak up on that mobile AA driver and pile C4 onto his vehicle.


It was a lot better before they nerfed it against personnel. 608 dead mofos FTW. (mostly on canals)
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 5:20:39 PM EDT


Completely worthless POS.
Link Posted: 6/19/2012 5:21:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/20/2012 4:47:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Lots of our guys used the M55 "Quad 50" against ground targets in Vietnam to devastating effect. In some instances, they were even used to dump withering fire on the reverse slopes of distant hills where the NVA were firing mortars from.

http://youtu.be/aczpm9r-K18



not like we don't have any shortage of old .50s I would love to see a modern take on that on a humvee or stryker.


Why have 4 M2s when you could have 1 GAU19?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S21EG5cACQA
Link Posted: 6/20/2012 5:21:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fireputrouter:
Originally Posted By mcantu:
Tungusta is more better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ce9mgml9Gk&feature=related


Very nice. Reminds me of the Gepard.
http://youtu.be/UGUmCLxk3uY


Link Posted: 6/20/2012 5:30:45 AM EDT
Usage of these for convoy/tank support in Russian service spawned this thing:

BMP-T
Link Posted: 6/20/2012 5:33:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JBlitzen:
Play with its replacement, the Tunguska, in Battlefield 3. Every team needs a good mobile AA driver.

And someone willing to sneak up on that mobile AA driver and pile C4 onto his vehicle.


Probably my favorite thing to do, actually. No one ever plays them, so no one ever pays attention to them. Most of my kills in a given match are shooting down people who can't fly the aircraft.

DeboUSMC here on Arf usually will act as an escort in a tank and rack up kills on people on the ground trying to take me out.
Link Posted: 6/20/2012 5:54:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By paris-dakar:
Originally Posted By Lone-Wolf:
I thought they were primarily AA guns but all the targets are in the ground role. Are these weapons mostly just ground weapons now.


I read somewhere that the Reds used these for convoy protection in Afghanistan and they were extremely effective. They would pull out the Radar to free space for more ammo.

I always thought something like the turret from the M42 Duster on the Stryker chassis would be cool.


Funny you mention that. I always thought an American version of the BMP-T would be cool.

I was picturing basically an M1 Abrams tank, perhaps even with the same basic turret design, but to replace the main gun with a 2x 40mm Bofors setup, perhaps with one or two .50 M2HB's as coaxial guns...A mobile crunchy-slaughterhouse on tracks, with a secondary anti-chopper role.
Link Posted: 6/20/2012 6:36:30 AM EDT
Why the hell do I have the urge to watch red dawn right now?
Link Posted: 6/20/2012 7:21:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mcantu:
Tungusta is more better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ce9mgml9Gk&feature=related


Those things can lay down the lead.
Link Posted: 6/20/2012 7:23:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 36_gauge:
Originally Posted By Lone-Wolf:
I thought they were primarily AA guns but all the targets are in the ground role. Are these weapons mostly just ground weapons now.


Not exactly useful against modern birds, pretty fucking useful against soft targets is my uneducated view. Same thing with the Duster.


They are a helicopter's worst nightmare.
Link Posted: 6/20/2012 7:47:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/20/2012 7:49:44 AM EDT by CBR900]
Originally Posted By TheRealBluedog:
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Lots of our guys used the M55 "Quad 50" against ground targets in Vietnam to devastating effect. In some instances, they were even used to dump withering fire on the reverse slopes of distant hills where the NVA were firing mortars from.

http://youtu.be/aczpm9r-K18



Outside Bastonge during the battle of the bulge, a quad .50 on a half track racked up about 250 German KIA in just a few seconds. German infantry apparently thought the rig was theirs and walked up on it in the fog.



My uncle fought his way through Bavaria in WWII. He used this exact set up on several German villages late in the war to deter/kill snipers, home guard "volk" volunteers & hold outs (some of whom probably would have been armed with that short-range "panzerfaust" disposible bazooka and who knows what else?).

He ordered both the half-tracks to blow the front off every house along the main street while rolling slowly forward.

His men loved it & he had the lowest casualty rate among similar-sized units. It was apparently an effective tactic.

But, he recieved a reprimand for highest ammunition consumption rate of any similar sized unit. He received several purple herats and battle-field promotions; he went on to serve in combat many years later in Korea as well.
Link Posted: 6/20/2012 8:26:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/20/2012 8:27:23 AM EDT by Dog1]
Link Posted: 6/20/2012 9:11:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TheRealBluedog:
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Lots of our guys used the M55 "Quad 50" against ground targets in Vietnam to devastating effect. In some instances, they were even used to dump withering fire on the reverse slopes of distant hills where the NVA were firing mortars from.

http://youtu.be/aczpm9r-K18



Outside Bastonge during the battle of the bulge, a quad .50 on a half track racked up about 250 German KIA in just a few seconds. German infantry apparently thought the rig was theirs and walked up on it in the fog.



At Parker's Crossroads, or is there another instance?
Link Posted: 6/20/2012 1:11:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By USMC6177:
Originally Posted By 36_gauge:
Originally Posted By Lone-Wolf:
I thought they were primarily AA guns but all the targets are in the ground role. Are these weapons mostly just ground weapons now.


Not exactly useful against modern birds, pretty fucking useful against soft targets is my uneducated view. Same thing with the Duster.


They are a helicopter's worst nightmare.


I was thinking about fixed wing when I said that, I'm far from an aviation expert.
Link Posted: 6/20/2012 1:18:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Shockergd:
Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Lots of our guys used the M55 "Quad 50" against ground targets in Vietnam to devastating effect. In some instances, they were even used to dump withering fire on the reverse slopes of distant hills where the NVA were firing mortars from.

http://youtu.be/aczpm9r-K18



not like we don't have any shortage of old .50s I would love to see a modern take on that on a humvee or stryker.


Why have 4 M2s when you could have 1 GAU19?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S21EG5cACQA

Why have a GAU19 when you can have an M61:




Link Posted: 6/20/2012 1:21:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/20/2012 1:22:50 PM EDT by bcw107]
Originally Posted By Silence:

Originally Posted By Shockergd:
Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Lots of our guys used the M55 "Quad 50" against ground targets in Vietnam to devastating effect. In some instances, they were even used to dump withering fire on the reverse slopes of distant hills where the NVA were firing mortars from.

http://youtu.be/aczpm9r-K18



not like we don't have any shortage of old .50s I would love to see a modern take on that on a humvee or stryker.


Why have 4 M2s when you could have 1 GAU19?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S21EG5cACQA

Why have a GAU19 when you can have an M61:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/M163_VADS.JPEG/800px-M163_VADS.JPEG




The ADA unit down the street from us at FT Hood in the early 90s had those. Pretty cool when they did gunnery. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr­rrp.
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