

Posted: 12/7/2011 3:28:08 AM EST
Even if an animal drops instantly to a high shoulder shot, a 'finisher' to the brain should be administered from close range to anchor the beast If you are a police officer with a PETA-type mindset, stop reading until you consider this: If you are a police officer who cannot bear the thought of killing a crippled animal, sit down and have a long, serious talk with yourself. If you are incapable of killing a creature to end its suffering, why should we believe you could take a human life in self-defense or to save the life of a fellow officer or citizen? Reach a solid conclusion on this matter before you read on — your coworkers deserve to be backed up by someone who can do what needs to be done. I’m sorry to begin with that preamble, but I have known two officers who refused to destroy crippled animals at traffic crashes — another officer had to come do the dark deed. So, the question of their ability to use deadly force must be resolved before I can discuss the proper weapons and techniques for killing animals in the course of police duties. Okay now, read on. ![]() The Noah’s Ark Massacre This topic came from a recent conversation with PoliceOne Senior Editor Doug Wyllie when I commented on the recent “Noah’s Ark Massacre” of loose zoo animals in Ohio. The scope of that tragedy was staggering, but the killing of large and/or dangerous animals is a regular occurrence for cops. http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/4778746-Shooting-to-kill-an-animal-A-sad-but-necessary-skill/ |
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I've had to do that a few times. A single 9mm FMJ to the skull has always worked. It's not enjoyable, but watching them suffer is horrible.
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My deer count for the year is 16 19. That was MV vs deer. It is necessary.
No dogs this year though. ![]() Edit for number |
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My deer count for the year is 16. That was MV vs deer. It is necessary. No dogs this year though. ![]() Really? You haven't served any warrants all year? ![]() |
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The only critter you want to shoot lower in the face/skull region is a water buffalo. With their horn cap and the tendency to look down on you over their nose you need to put one right up the snot locker to reach the brain.
Other animals, definitely draw a line between the eyes and aim above that point. |
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I had a guy tell me yesterday that he had to administer the fatal shot on his buddies horse, after his buddy failed to kill it in the previous 5 shots.
Poor animal. |
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This subject was brought up at work, but not by the po-po. Coworkers mom was driving a long, but busy country road and came up on an accident where a deer was hit and dragging her hind quarters trying to get to the woods. She had her gun with her, but was not sure how the police would look upon it discharging her CWP weapon on a busy roadside.
A gentleman there told her he would take care of it and told her to head on her way. He did have a hunting license, so technically they could not charge him for poaching. I imagine he did put the poor girl out of her misery, and then served her up for dinner! No need to let good meat go to waste! |
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I've had to put lots of cows down. The horses get the vet and just go to sleep. I don't want to whack something that has carried me for hundreds of miles through the mountains.
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but I have known two officers who refused to destroy crippled animals at traffic crashes — another officer had to come do the dark deed. So, the question of their ability to use deadly force must be resolved before I can discuss the proper weapons and techniques for killing animals in the course of police duties. In my county, cops have to jump through lots of hoops to be authorized to shoot a crippled animal. Officers in the town I live in have to fill out paper work everytime they unholster their weapon, whether they fire it or not (which requires more paperwork). I'm not argueing against your point per se, but know that it's not just meanie cops who don't want to put an animal out of its misery. |
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Quoted: My deer count for the year is 16 19. That was MV vs deer. It is necessary. No dogs this year though. ![]() Edit for number How many dogs in previous years? and do you have little poodle silhouettes painted on the side of your cop car? ![]() ![]() |
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Sheriff's office was called when a car hit a deer out in front of our house. I was at work. The deer was sill alive, back was broke, so the deputy was going to put it down. First shot missed from 4-5 feet. Second shot hit the jaw of the deer. My wife, who was out there watching this, asked the guy if he wanted her to call me home to do it. Finally got it on the third shot.
And no, she said it wasn't moving its head around when he made the shots, except for the third one. |
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Used to shoot pigeons back in the day. Least favorite part was coming up to the animal with its wing all busted up, trembling in fear and having to administer the kill shot, or shovel to the head. I must be a sally because I don't like killing anything (besides bugs).
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Of course the first pic is a fucking dog on a leash. ![]() and not even a "Pitbull" ![]() but rather a Staffy Bull ![]() |
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Of course the first pic is a fucking dog on a leash. ![]() for realism, it should have been a 13 year old Lab. |
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The only critter you want to shoot lower in the face/skull region is a water buffalo. With their horn cap and the tendency to look down on you over their nose you need to put one right up the snot locker to reach the brain. Other animals, definitely draw a line between the eyes and aim above that point. Elephant is the most difficult, in most African hunter's experience, to find the brain from the front. Taking a brain shot on a cape buffalo is asking for a lot of trouble. The standard aiming point for a frontal shot is the V where the base of the neck joins the chest. In either case, elephant or cape buffalo, if you are using any handgun, you are probably going to get killed or hurt badly. |
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My deer count for the year is 16 19. That was MV vs deer. It is necessary. No dogs this year though. ![]() Edit for number How many dogs in previous years? and do you have little poodle silhouettes painted on the side of your cop car? ![]() ![]() Only 2 dogs in my career. Both were necessary. Now OC is a different story. Short story. Going to a verbal domestic. Arrive at gravel road leading up to house. get out because gate is locked, and start hoofing it to the house. About 10 yards away from the porch (where couple is arguing) a boxer/lab mix comes out wanting to eat my ass. I pull out my OC, and give one swipe across the face keeping my eye on the couple. All of a sudden they are cracking up, I turn around and the dog shoved its face under the gravel, and was bulldozing with it's face. I almost pissed myself watching this, as did the home owners. Stopped the domestic completely, and we all had a good laugh. The guy said it was probably a good thing I did that, because he has seen the dog take out coyotes before. Carry on ![]() |
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but I have known two officers who refused to destroy crippled animals at traffic crashes — another officer had to come do the dark deed. So, the question of their ability to use deadly force must be resolved before I can discuss the proper weapons and techniques for killing animals in the course of police duties. In my county, cops have to jump through lots of hoops to be authorized to shoot a crippled animal. Officers in the town I live in have to fill out paper work everytime they unholster their weapon, whether they fire it or not (which requires more paperwork). I'm not argueing against your point per se, but know that it's not just meanie cops who don't want to put an animal out of its misery. There was a story related to this a year or two ago out of Tennessee where a cop refused to shoot a crippled deer because of the paperwork headache. So the highway dept finished it off with a sledge hammer. If there needs to be paperwork at all, it should only consist of "Did you discharge your weapon to end the suffering of an injured animal? _Y _N." |
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Used to shoot pigeons back in the day. Least favorite part was coming up to the animal with its wing all busted up, trembling in fear and having to administer the kill shot, or shovel to the head. I must be a sally because I don't like killing anything (besides bugs). Hold them firmly and they suffocate. |
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Used to shoot pigeons back in the day. Least favorite part was coming up to the animal with its wing all busted up, trembling in fear and having to administer the kill shot, or shovel to the head. I must be a sally because I don't like killing anything (besides bugs). You are a sally, bite the head off like a real man! That's what we did on doves. |
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[#26]
The last deer I ran over got a 230-grain Gold Dot in the noggin to stop its suffering.
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Ear canal to opposing eye.
injured game birds grab by body and break their necks against the gun barrel. Once an animal is mortally wounded no guilt should be associated w/ the death blow. |
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The last deer I ran over got a 230-grain Gold Dot in the noggin to stop its suffering. Cars are a legal hunting weapon in MO, last I checked ![]() |
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My deer count for the year is 16 19. That was MV vs deer. It is necessary. No dogs this year though. ![]() Edit for number Don't fret, there is 23 days left in this month. Get to dog killin, copper. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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but I have known two officers who refused to destroy crippled animals at traffic crashes — another officer had to come do the dark deed. So, the question of their ability to use deadly force must be resolved before I can discuss the proper weapons and techniques for killing animals in the course of police duties. In my county, cops have to jump through lots of hoops to be authorized to shoot a crippled animal. Officers in the town I live in have to fill out paper work everytime they unholster their weapon, whether they fire it or not (which requires more paperwork). I'm not argueing against your point per se, but know that it's not just meanie cops who don't want to put an animal out of its misery. I have to request permission from my sgt before I can shoot an animal. I then have to file an I/O report and submit a discharge of a firearm report to be reviewed by IAB and the Firearm Committee. This year I have shot one dog that was run over by a car and one rabid possum. |
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Used to shoot pigeons back in the day. Least favorite part was coming up to the animal with its wing all busted up, trembling in fear and having to administer the kill shot, or shovel to the head. I must be a sally because I don't like killing anything (besides bugs). You "administered a kill shot" to a pigeon? I just grab them by the head and twirl. |
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Quoted: The last deer I ran over got a 230-grain Gold Dot in the noggin to stop its suffering. I hit my first deer, believe it or not, last year. But although it was a rural area there were some houses and it was an area I wasn't familiar with so I decided that wandering around with a pistol and flashlight in the dark trying to track him down and finish him wasn't a good idea. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My deer count for the year is 16 19. That was MV vs deer. It is necessary. No dogs this year though. ![]() Edit for number How many dogs in previous years? and do you have little poodle silhouettes painted on the side of your cop car? ![]() ![]() Only 2 dogs in my career. Both were necessary. Now OC is a different story. Short story. Going to a verbal domestic. Arrive at gravel road leading up to house. get out because gate is locked, and start hoofing it to the house. About 10 yards away from the porch (where couple is arguing) a boxer/lab mix comes out wanting to eat my ass. I pull out my OC, and give one swipe across the face keeping my eye on the couple. All of a sudden they are cracking up, I turn around and the dog shoved its face under the gravel, and was bulldozing with it's face. I almost pissed myself watching this, as did the home owners. Stopped the domestic completely, and we all had a good laugh. The guy said it was probably a good thing I did that, because he has seen the dog take out coyotes before. Carry on ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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It's dangerous to be standing up close and shooting a handgun at an animal's head.
In 1984, our hunter safety instructer told us of a man who tried to dispatch a wounded deer with a .38 to the head. The bullet ricocheted back off its skull and lodged in his knee. |
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I have to admit, if I saw a mortally wounded on the roadside, I probably wouldn't shoot it. Too much potential to get into trouble.
I don't believe in letting a creature suffer needlessly. I also don't consider that as important as preserving my freedoms from interference by the man. |
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Quoted: I have to admit, if I saw a mortally wounded on the roadside, I probably wouldn't shoot it. Too much potential to get into trouble. I don't believe in letting a creature suffer needlessly. I also don't consider that as important as preserving my freedoms from interference by the man. Pretty messed up that it is necessary to have to think this way, but you are 100% correct. Shit like this makes me question PGC's motives. |
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I have to admit, if I saw a mortally wounded on the roadside, I probably wouldn't shoot it. Too much potential to get into trouble. I don't believe in letting a creature suffer needlessly. I also don't consider that as important as preserving my freedoms from interference by the man. Pretty messed up that it is necessary to have to think this way, but you are 100% correct. Shit like this makes me question PGC's motives. If you two are ever in my neck of the woods and see a wounded deer like that, please feel free to dispatch it. That is if you are ever in podunk MO. |
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Pretty much any animal.. draw a line in between the ear and the eye.
Put round in the middle of that line |
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Sheriff's office was called when a car hit a deer out in front of our house. I was at work. The deer was sill alive, back was broke, so the deputy was going to put it down. First shot missed from 4-5 feet. Second shot hit the jaw of the deer. My wife, who was out there watching this, asked the guy if he wanted her to call me home to do it. Finally got it on the third shot. And no, she said it wasn't moving its head around when he made the shots, except for the third one. Sounds familiar. Cross posted at my blog. Roadside Euthanasia. An ARFCOM thread on why police officers don't put down animals that have been crippled by traffic. I commented that often it's department policy that either prohibits this practice, or makes it a big ball of red tape in order to do so, and not because cops are heartless and like to watch bambi struggle for life on roadways. True story: Nine years ago I was home from Camp Lejeune for the weekend, driving back from the video store (we still had those then) at about 10:00 at night on a four lane non-divided highway. I was close behind the only other car on the road at the time –– a black Nissan Pathfinder –– when two deer crossed the highway from our left, the trailing one getting hit on the front end of the Nissan. I could tell that he hit that deer really hard, as he caught it with the entire front end, and we were moving along at just over 50 mph. We both stopped, checked the damage, and I gave the driver and his wife my personal information as a witness in case their insurance scumbags tried to screw them on getting the car fixed. The driver and I found the deer on the edge of the road on the right side about fifty yards behind us, still alive, with its spine broken just forward of its hips. It kept trying to stand up, and because its back legs didn't work it would topple over to its left, bringing it closer and closer to the middle of the roadway. County deputies show up, and take a solid ten minutes to get permission from the Sheriff or Sergeant or whomever was in charge that night to publicly execute this crippled doe. State cops show up stop traffic both ways, which was now significantly built up, and what I presume to have been the most junior county deputy of the six or so who were there racks the slide to chamber a round (I don't know why she didn't have her duty weapon in condition 1, but I saw it with my own eyes that she carried on an empty chamber). Me and the driver were walking back to our cars when I heard the shot. . . . and then another. . . .and then another. I knew immediately what was going on, so I said goodbye to the driver and headed back down to see what kind of macabre scene this clueless deputy had just subjected her audience of onlookers to. It was. . . . substantial. She had shot this youthful, two or three year old doe three times in the face at close range, but hadn't hit anything of importance –– and by importance I mean something structurally vital that would mercifully end the poor critter's life as humanely as possible. All the other jolly cops standing around weren't giving her any instruction, as they themselves didn't know how in the world this superhuman deer could take three rounds of .40 S&W in the head and still be completely alert, looking around with blood pouring out from what was left of her nose and jaw. I note that one of the police cruisers was positioned in the turn lane so that its headlights fully illuminated the public display of incompetence, and traffic was stopped not more than 75 yards away. Whom I believed to be the senior deputy said: "Well, we'll just have to wait for the ol' girl to bleed out." I told them all in not the most tactful voice that we would be there for awhile, as superficial gun shot wounds have that tendency to, you know, heal, and that a deer missing all its teeth would definitely die –– of starvation –– but there would be a little bit too much overtime involved with the supervision of that. Then, like a middle-school science teacher, I pointed out that the deer did in fact have a head, which included the brain housing group, and attached to that was the beak-like extension of the jaw and nose, that didn't. Deputy Sally hadn't hit that brain housing group, but if she could do that, then everybody could go home. More permission was asked for more rounds to be expended on behalf of this traumatized deer, and when it was given I pointed out just where to shoot. Me: "Right here." (pointing to a spot right below the ear) Cop: "Right where?" Me: (Grabbing the deer by the ear and turning her head towards the cruiser's lights) "Here. Shoot her with one round here." Cop: "Oh. . .ok" (as she starts to aim from six feet away I stop her) Me: (pointing to the muzzle of her Sig pistol) "No ma'am. This is a doe. It doesn't have antlers, so it can't hurt you. Put your weapon against her head so that you don't miss." At the crack of the gun it was finally over. All the cops looked at me like I was some sort of deer whisperer, knowing just what to do. In reality, I've just killed a ton of animals and know where the vitals are; and that doe would have been better served if, at the moment I found her, I had killed her with my pocket knife. For this reason I don't encourage cops to put animals out of their misery because, in my opinion, they are much more likely to put them IN misery. |
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My buddy at work, a good 'ol boy redneck who hunts ALL the time and will not hesitate to pull off the road and gather up roadkill, came across cops twice now on the side of the road with injured deer. Keep in mind these are Sherrifs officers in a RURAL county. Both times they ended up letting him take his knife out and sever the carotid artery to quickly dispatch the deer because they were too squeamish to end the animal's suffering. Both times he said they reacted with disbelief - "Wow, that was the most awesome thing - cool!" Sigh . . . . . . I sometimes wonder if part of a police officer's training should involve going out hunting and learning how to kill just in case they ever have to do it.
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Sheriff's office was called when a car hit a deer out in front of our house. I was at work. The deer was sill alive, back was broke, so the deputy was going to put it down. First shot missed from 4-5 feet. Second shot hit the jaw of the deer. My wife, who was out there watching this, asked the guy if he wanted her to call me home to do it. Finally got it on the third shot. And no, she said it wasn't moving its head around when he made the shots, except for the third one. Sounds familiar. Cross posted at my blog. Roadside Euthanasia. An ARFCOM thread on why police officers don't put down animals that have been crippled by traffic. I commented that often it's department policy that either prohibits this practice, or makes it a big ball of red tape in order to do so, and not because cops are heartless and like to watch bambi struggle for life on roadways. . I had a similar encounter except that it was a hysterical crying Deputy who had done the same 2 - 3 shots to the beak and was astonished that her magical engine of death didn't immediately end the does suffering. I explained in similar fashion where to shoot her and she held out her pistol for me to do it. ![]() I shot it with my own pistol and asked her if she needed me to wait on the FWP warden with her. ![]() |
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Sheriff's office was called when a car hit a deer out in front of our house. I was at work. The deer was sill alive, back was broke, so the deputy was going to put it down. First shot missed from 4-5 feet. Second shot hit the jaw of the deer. My wife, who was out there watching this, asked the guy if he wanted her to call me home to do it. Finally got it on the third shot. And no, she said it wasn't moving its head around when he made the shots, except for the third one. Sounds familiar. Cross posted at my blog. Roadside Euthanasia. An ARFCOM thread on why police officers don't put down animals that have been crippled by traffic. I commented that often it's department policy that either prohibits this practice, or makes it a big ball of red tape in order to do so, and not because cops are heartless and like to watch bambi struggle for life on roadways. . I had a similar encounter except that it was a hysterical crying Deputy who had done the same 2 - 3 shots to the beak and was astonished that her magical engine of death didn't immediately end the does suffering. I explained in similar fashion where to shoot her and she held out her pistol for me to do it. ![]() I shot it with my own pistol and asked her if she needed me to wait on the FWP warden with her. ![]() Was she hot? |
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This subject was brought up at work, but not by the po-po. Coworkers mom was driving a long, but busy country road and came up on an accident where a deer was hit and dragging her hind quarters trying to get to the woods. She had her gun with her, but was not sure how the police would look upon it discharging her CWP weapon on a busy roadside. A gentleman there told her he would take care of it and told her to head on her way. He did have a hunting license, so technically they could not charge him for poaching. I imagine he did put the poor girl out of her misery, and then served her up for dinner! No need to let good meat go to waste! Here in Ohio I've heard of plenty of people who have got authorization from the local SO by calling in asking to do it. Saves a animal control officer their time. |
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Was she hot? Yeah she was, in spite of the tears & snot running down her face. ![]() |
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but I have known two officers who refused to destroy crippled animals at traffic crashes — another officer had to come do the dark deed. So, the question of their ability to use deadly force must be resolved before I can discuss the proper weapons and techniques for killing animals in the course of police duties. In my county, cops have to jump through lots of hoops to be authorized to shoot a crippled animal. Officers in the town I live in have to fill out paper work everytime they unholster their weapon, whether they fire it or not (which requires more paperwork). I'm not argueing against your point per se, but know that it's not just meanie cops who don't want to put an animal out of its misery. I have to request permission from my sgt before I can shoot an animal. I then have to file an I/O report and submit a discharge of a firearm report to be reviewed by IAB and the Firearm Committee. This year I have shot one dog that was run over by a car and one rabid possum. That's his story and he's stickin' to it. |
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The last deer I ran over got a 230-grain Gold Dot in the noggin to stop its suffering. I hit my first deer, believe it or not, last year. But although it was a rural area there were some houses and it was an area I wasn't familiar with so I decided that wandering around with a pistol and flashlight in the dark trying to track him down and finish him wasn't a good idea. I've hit two with the current vehicle - neither have left so much as a scratch, but neither made it a single step beyond the point of impact. The second one just flopped a lot, and I shot it (brain from 5') to end its suffering. |
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I hate having to do it .
I've shot a doe tangled in a fence. 2 goats. 2 dogs. |
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At the crack of the gun it was finally over. All the cops looked at me like I was some sort of deer whisperer, knowing just what to do. In reality, I've just killed a ton of animals and know where the vitals are; and that doe would have been better served if, at the moment I found her, I had killed her with my pocket knife. For this reason I don't encourage cops to put animals out of their misery because, in my opinion, they are much more likely to put them IN misery. Probably a dozen years ago, I watched as an oncoming car (an expedition or similar huge SUV) approach and hit a small fawn. The idiot driver went on (they could easily have avoided hitting it) so I got out and pushed my knife into its heart and watched it bleed out. I almost cried. ![]() Several years before that, my dad gut-shot a buck one day and I approached it, grabbed its antlers, and talked to it while I pushed my hunting knife into its chest. It never moved; it just slumped over and died. |
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A .22 LR to the base of the head will humanely kill a steer and anything smaller.
Far more energy than a captive bolt gun powered by carbon dioxide. ![]() |
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