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Posted: 5/1/2011 10:48:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/1/2011 10:48:41 AM EDT by Shung]
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 10:53:39 AM EDT
IS NEW RUSSIAN PASSENGER JET WITH THRUST VECTOR. CLEARLY DEMONSTRATION OF NEW CAPABILITIES PURPOSES. BETTER THAN ALL AMERICAN PASSENGER JET COMBINED.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 10:53:49 AM EDT
Pilot must have been very good.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 10:56:17 AM EDT
DO NOT WANT to be a passenger on that.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 11:00:25 AM EDT
Wow.  It makes me want to puke and I'm not even inside the cockpit.  The video had all the makings of an epic "this is not going to end well"...
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 11:06:24 AM EDT
Does anyone know what would have caused that?
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 11:13:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 11:17:14 AM EDT
It's the Russian version of the "Vomit Comet"



Hydraulics all screwed up?
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 11:22:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 11:30:07 AM EDT
The absolute worst flight of my life was on one of those.

I've been on them more than once, and quite a few have had real phugoid cycle issues.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 11:31:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 11:34:13 AM EDT
If you didn't know the outcome before watching the video, you would have thought, "That dude is fucked."

Insanely good skills by that pilot to land safely!
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 11:44:56 AM EDT
Igor, watch me John Wayne this biatch over the runway.
Dudesky, you be swaggering the fuck out of us.  Mad skills!
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 1:37:42 PM EDT
that would have been a scary flight
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 1:38:41 PM EDT
That pilot has his shit together.

Could have easily planted it into the ground.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 1:38:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Seansworth:
Does anyone know what would have caused that?


inventing some kind of brain to computer upload technology and then uploading the mind of a rodeo bull into the plane's onboard  autopilot computer  
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 1:43:03 PM EDT
Pucker Factor: 9.95
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 1:56:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By allenNH:
Pucker Factor: 9.95


Sorry.  I disagree.  Going with .9bar here.  That's a solid 10 if I ever saw one.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 1:57:28 PM EDT



Originally Posted By Toiyabe:


The absolute worst flight of my life was on one of those.



I've been on them more than once, and quite a few have had real phugoid cycle issues.


Nothing like the sinking feeling in your stomach when you learn that your five hour flight from SVO to ITK is going to be spent crammed into one of those damn machines.  

 
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 2:10:34 PM EDT
Massive ballskies on that pilot. If not vodka before, definitely vodka after.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 2:14:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sharky30:
Originally Posted By Seansworth:
Does anyone know what would have caused that?


inventing some kind of brain to computer upload technology and then uploading the mind of a rodeo bull into the plane's onboard  autopilot computer  


Nah,  someone just let a couple of bees loose in the cockpit.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 2:17:39 PM EDT
Wow. That pilot knew his shit, without a doubt.
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 2:35:45 PM EDT
Wow. Bet they had to hose the plane out once the got the passengers off.
That guy on the bicycle...was he they emergency response team?
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 10:15:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 10:24:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TurboniumOxide:
Massive ballskies on that pilot. If not vodka before, definitely vodka after.


I was waiting for that thing to fall out of the fucking sky
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 10:27:50 PM EDT
ah yes the russians at it again......can't even make a 727 copy fly correctly.  That pilot was either very good or very lucky, probably both.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 7:25:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/2/2011 7:29:20 AM EDT by Screechjet1]
That looked like an inoperative yaw damper. Notice he never sucked up the gear, probably hoping for some keel effect.

ETA: Wiki says the -154 doesn't have a yaw damp, but does have poor lateral stability. I can't imagine a swept wing aircraft without a yaw damper.

Now I wonder if what we're seeing was the pilot attempting to dampen poor lateral stability with rudder input.  I really can't imagine doing a functional test flight at pattern altitude if you have a choice.

Link Posted: 5/2/2011 7:55:02 AM EDT



Originally Posted By polarbare:


It's the Russian version of the "Vomit Comet"





Also known as Aeroflot.



 
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 7:58:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
That looked like an inoperative yaw damper. Notice he never sucked up the gear, probably hoping for some keel effect.

ETA: Wiki says the -154 doesn't have a yaw damp, but does have poor lateral stability. I can't imagine a swept wing aircraft without a yaw damper.

Now I wonder if what we're seeing was the pilot attempting to dampen poor lateral stability with rudder input.  I really can't imagine doing a functional test flight at pattern altitude if you have a choice.

http://www.americanflyers.net/aviationlibrary/pilots_handbook/images/chapter_4_img_1.jpg


I'm betting PIO played a reasonably big part.
The -154 is an interesting bird, with a bunch of design compromises for it's perceived operating parameters. With Western engines, modern avionics, and a reasonable interior, they' be halfway decent, and fulfill an interesting niche that the 737-200 with the gravel kit never quite pulled off.

They suck to fly in, especially all the way in the rear.

Link Posted: 5/2/2011 8:18:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Toiyabe:
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
That looked like an inoperative yaw damper. Notice he never sucked up the gear, probably hoping for some keel effect.

ETA: Wiki says the -154 doesn't have a yaw damp, but does have poor lateral stability. I can't imagine a swept wing aircraft without a yaw damper.

Now I wonder if what we're seeing was the pilot attempting to dampen poor lateral stability with rudder input.  I really can't imagine doing a functional test flight at pattern altitude if you have a choice.

http://www.americanflyers.net/aviationlibrary/pilots_handbook/images/chapter_4_img_1.jpg


I'm betting PIO played a reasonably big part.
The -154 is an interesting bird, with a bunch of design compromises for it's perceived operating parameters. With Western engines, modern avionics, and a reasonable interior, they' be halfway decent, and fulfill an interesting niche that the 737-200 with the gravel kit never quite pulled off.

They suck to fly in, especially all the way in the rear.



I can only imagine.  As a kid, I remember slobbering though the window at the exotic birds at Madrid...Tu-154s, IL-62s, IL-86s.

Regarding the Russian design compromises, they did do alot to be able to operate off of unimproved surfaces, and I wonder if that effort would have been better spent on pouring asphalt.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 8:21:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By Toiyabe:
Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
That looked like an inoperative yaw damper. Notice he never sucked up the gear, probably hoping for some keel effect.

ETA: Wiki says the -154 doesn't have a yaw damp, but does have poor lateral stability. I can't imagine a swept wing aircraft without a yaw damper.

Now I wonder if what we're seeing was the pilot attempting to dampen poor lateral stability with rudder input.  I really can't imagine doing a functional test flight at pattern altitude if you have a choice.

http://www.americanflyers.net/aviationlibrary/pilots_handbook/images/chapter_4_img_1.jpg


I'm betting PIO played a reasonably big part.
The -154 is an interesting bird, with a bunch of design compromises for it's perceived operating parameters. With Western engines, modern avionics, and a reasonable interior, they' be halfway decent, and fulfill an interesting niche that the 737-200 with the gravel kit never quite pulled off.

They suck to fly in, especially all the way in the rear.



I can only imagine.  As a kid, I remember slobbering though the window at the exotic birds at Madrid...Tu-154s, IL-62s, IL-86s.

Regarding the Russian design compromises, they did do alot to be able to operate off of unimproved surfaces, and I wonder if that effort would have been better spent on pouring asphalt.


The hell you say.

I have been to some pretty oddball places, and I'm always amazed at the lack of infrastructure support given the immense amount of time and money spent on the equipment needed to operate from those areas.

I get the whole 90% game, but this is more like a 50% game.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 8:23:20 AM EDT
Thats what it would look like if fat people could fly.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 8:25:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/2/2011 8:25:54 AM EDT by ElectricSheep556]





Originally Posted By Screechjet1:


Regarding the Russian design compromises, they did do alot to be able to operate off of unimproved surfaces, and I wonder if that effort would have been better spent on pouring asphalt.



Aeroflot was essentially supposed to function as part of the Air Force in times of war so it makes sense in that context.





 
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 8:27:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ElectricSheep556:

Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Regarding the Russian design compromises, they did do alot to be able to operate off of unimproved surfaces, and I wonder if that effort would have been better spent on pouring asphalt.

Aeroflot was essentially supposed to function as part of the Air Force in times of war so it makes sense in that context.
 


Yep, and I think that the Soviets really functioned with a wartime mentality, all the time, to include operations in a nuclear context.  See also, navigators aboard civil aircraft, and the use of onboard inertial and DR nav in a peacetime domestic environment.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 10:49:34 AM EDT
Homeview TAG!
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 10:58:04 AM EDT
Security feature designed to make the plane harder to shoot down. This is normal and infinitely more awesome than American planes that lack this option.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 11:06:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ragedracer1977:
Originally Posted By allenNH:
Pucker Factor: 9.95


Sorry.  I disagree.  Going with .9bar here.  That's a solid 10 if I ever saw one.


What? He still had all the engines!
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 11:22:59 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Screechjet1:



I can only imagine.  As a kid, I remember slobbering though the window at the exotic birds at Madrid...Tu-154s, IL-62s, IL-86s.



Regarding the Russian design compromises, they did do alot to be able to operate off of unimproved surfaces, and I wonder if that effort would have been better spent on pouring asphalt.


Was one of your parents stationed at Torrejon?



 
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 11:57:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Fatbert:

Originally Posted By Screechjet1:

I can only imagine.  As a kid, I remember slobbering though the window at the exotic birds at Madrid...Tu-154s, IL-62s, IL-86s.

Regarding the Russian design compromises, they did do alot to be able to operate off of unimproved surfaces, and I wonder if that effort would have been better spent on pouring asphalt.

Was one of your parents stationed at Torrejon?
 


Dad was a TWA pilot.
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