Here is a cheapo Aimpoint look alike (NC Star) and a Simmons (?) red dot. They both work, but the NC Star is a piece of plastic. The Simmons is a solid piece of equipment, but I have no use for it and since I am still laid off I need the money so this has to go. I would like $27 for the Simmons and $15 for the NC Star, both prices include shipping. I do have a ring for the NC Star that I can throw in for another $5. If you want both you can have both for $40 shipped. I know you hate me, but I prefer PayPal since I need the cash right now and most guys who say they are going to send a money order either never get around to sending it or they make you wait a month for it.