I responded to the above ad. I worked a trade out with Dieter122 (Matt) for the above National Postal Meter M1 Carbine. This is the agreement.
(3) used AR mags: (1) Orlite, (2) USGI
(1) Isahapore 2A .308 cal. SMLE (still in the cosmoline)
(1) 1907 SMLE Bayonet w/original leather scabbard
(2) new AR lowers w/LPK's: (1) Stag, (1) CMMG
(1) used, but in great shape carry handle scope mount
(1) new rifle case/shooter's mat
(1) National Postal Meter M1 Carbine
(1) Original stock
(1) Aftermarket Paratrooper stock
(2) handguards: (1) for each stock
(5) 15rd M1 carbine mags
I receive the rifle, both stocks and handguards, along with (2) magazines. He says he will be sending the sling and remaining mags when he gets them from his (parent's?) home. No problem, send them when you get them. I ship to his 01 FFL the above items, I have him ship to me since I am a 01 FFL.
I glance at the rifle then go to log it in my bound book. Like most M1 carbines you can't read the manufacturer because of the rear sight overhang. I "push" the sight off by hand, no tools, and it reads not NATIONAL POSTAL METER, NPC, or any other USGI maker, but NATL ORD INC.
Well my quick and dirty research reveals that NOI is absolutely not USGI, but rather a pretty shitty knockoff, even less valuable than a Iver Johnson or Universal if you can believe that. On top of that, the operating rod, the box on the end, the weld is cracked in half, the rifle is filthy with carbon and old oil. So now I have a dirty, unsafe, cheap ass non-USGI M1 Carbine
I e-mail him ;ast night around 2am (I worked late at the PD) and we get the following conversations:
Me: Matt we have a huge problem. The rifle is not a USGI National Postal Meter M1 Carbine. It is a National Ordnance M1 "COMMERCIAL" carbine. Not USGI at all and not a NPM. According to what I can find from the M1 carbine discussion boards, they are actually a avoid at all cost type of rifle. Additionally they are only worth about $300 or so. I was expecting a NPM USGI M1 carbine. Not this knockoff.
Awaiting your response.
As far as I knew, it is a NPM Carbine. Ive never even heard of a National Ordnance M1 commercial carbine. Universal carbines yes, but never what your speaking of. What parts on it arnt USGI? I based what I told you soley on what I read on the rear of the reciever.
I will be out of town until Sunday afternoon for a shoot in Conneticuit, so if after a few messages back and forth I dont reply for a bit, that just means im out of town for the time being.
Me:It doesn't say National Postal Meter on the receiver. When you take off the rear sight it plainly states NATL ORD INC. They never were a USGI contractor. They only made commercial copies after WWII, just like Iver Johnson or Universal.
Now the problem is that I was led to believe that it was a USGI NPM M1 carbine. It isn't. I can take pictures if you don't believe me. I will take your statement at face value. However, we have not a valuable rifle, but rather a cheap knock-off. From what I can gather, what I received is actually only worth $450 or so. Not the $850 or so that you and I believed it was worth.
As far as USGI parts, maybe the rear sight is USGI. The barrel is not marked with a manufacturer's data/date stamp. It isn't marked with anything anywhere else. No other markings are evident as from a government contractor. The only thing I am pretty sure is USGI is the magazines and the stock. The stock I am iffy about because it is marked RIA by the receiver tang. I am not sure who that is yet.
I have attached a picture that I just took. It is not the greatest, but you can plainly see the ORD and INC under it. The NATL is harder to read.
No further e-mails have come in. I am not saying he will not fix this somehow. But I want it on record because it already looks bad.