Originally Posted By STJ:
Originally Posted By srt205:
Some people think they know everything
You can ship USPS. Shipped some ammo, box got damage (ammo got stolen probably). It was insured, completed a claim form. Refund issued no problems what so ever. Forms were signed by the Post Master.
Hazmat labels are not required on factory ammo either. Anyone who is charging that fee is making an extra $20.00 or what ever they charge.
Originally Posted By muddawggin:
Originally Posted By srt205:
You can ship ammo via USPS. Do it all the time. Local PO said you can't ship primers or powder but factory ammo is ok.
Some people's kids...
Straight from the USPS site:
Postal Explorer > Publication 52 - Hazardous, Restricted, and Perishable Mail > 3 Hazardous Materials > 34 Mailability by Hazard Class
34 Mailability by Hazard Class
341 Explosives (Hazard Class 1)
An explosive is any substance or article, including a device, that is designed to function by explosion (an extremely rapid release of gas and heat) or that, by chemical reaction within itself, is able to function in a similar manner even if not designed to function by explosion, unless the substance or article is otherwise classed under the provisions in 49 CFR.
Division 1.4 consists of explosives that present a minor blast hazard. Examples are common fireworks, toy caps, empty primed grenades, and some small arms ammunition.
341.21 Nonmailable Explosives
Nonmailable explosives found in the mailstream must be immediately reported in accordance with POM 139.117.
Nonmailable explosives include, but are not limited to, the following:
Small Arms Ammunition. Ammunition is classified as a Division 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, or 1.4 explosive, depending on the degree of hazard. Ammunition that is regulated as a Class 1 explosive and designed to be fired from a pistol, revolver, rifle, or shotgun, as well as associated primers and blank cartridges (including those designed for tools) and propellant powder for use in any firearm, is prohibited from mailing.
The USPS does not say ALL small arms ammunition cannot be shipped...It says SOME.
Ammunition that is regulated as a Class 1 explosive
and designed to be fired from a pistol, revolver, rifle, or shotgun, as well as associated primers and blank cartridges (including those designed for tools) and propellant powder for use in any firearm, is prohibited from mailing
'Regular' ammunition (brass case, smokeless powder, primer inserted into case, lead bullet as an assembled unit) is NOT Class 1
Division 1.4 consists of explosives that present a minor blast hazard. Examples are common fireworks, toy caps, empty primed grenades, and some small arms ammunition
Again 'Regular' ammunition (brass case, smokeless powder, primer inserted into case, lead bullet as an assembled unit) is NOT considered division 1.4 if packaged correctly
49 CFR 173.63 - Packaging exceptions.
(b) Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices. (1) Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices (which are used to project fastening devices) which have been classed as a Division 1.4S explosive may be reclassed, offered for transportation, and transported as ORM-D material when packaged in accordance with paragraph (b)(2) of this section; such transportation is excepted from the requirements of subparts E (Labeling) and F (Placarding) of part 172 of this subchapter.
Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices that may be shipped as ORM-D material is limited to: (i) Ammunition for rifle, pistol or shotgun; (ii) Ammunition with inert projectiles or blank ammunition; (iii) Ammunition having no tear gas, incendiary, or detonating explosive projectiles; (iv) Ammunition not exceeding 12.7 mm (50 caliber or 0.5 inch) for rifle or pistol, cartridges or 8 gauge for shotshells; and (v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices.
(2) Packaging for cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices as ORM-D material must be as follows: (i) Ammunition must be packed in inside boxes, or in partitions which fit snugly in the outside packaging, or in metal clips; (ii) Primers must be protected from accidental initiation; (iii) Inside boxes, partitions or metal clips must be packed in securely-closed strong outside packagings; (iv) Maximum gross weight is limited to 30 kg (66 pounds) per package; and (v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices and 22 caliber rim-fire cartridges may be packaged loose in strong outside packagings.
Read more: http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/173-63-packaging-exceptions-19942343#ixzz1CoYcHFHu
10.0 Hazardous Materials
The following definitions apply:
c. ORM-D (Other Regulated Material) material is a limited quantity of a hazardous material that presents a limited hazard during transportation due to its form, quantity, and packaging. In almost all instances, the proper shipping name for an ORM-D material is consumer commodity. Not all hazardous material permitted to be shipped as a limited quantity can qualify as an ORM-D material. ORM-D materials having the proper shipping name of "consumer commodity" are mailable subject to USPS quantity and packaging standards.
d. Consumer commodity is a hazardous material that is packaged and distributed in a quantity and form intended or suitable for retail sale and designed for consumption by individuals for their personal care or household use purposes. This term can also include certain drugs or medicines. Not all hazardous material permitted to be shipped as a limited quantity can qualify as a consumer commodity.
10.3 USPS Standards for Hazardous Material
The USPS standards generally restrict the mailing of hazardous materials to ORM-D materials with the proper shipping name of "consumer commodity" that meet USPS quantity limitations and packaging requirements.
The grey area... I have received ammo marked ORM-D consumer commodity from bigger ammo suppliers...are they correct? If not why haven't they been notified?
If ORM-D consumer commodity is allowed labeling for ammunition, then USPS will allow shipment of said ammo.
You are completely wrong on this matter. I have been a certified HAZMAT shipper for well over 20 years and believe I know the regulations as well as anyone.
Small arms ammunition (regular ball ammunition) is classed as a Division 1.4S explosive material. It can be reclassed as ORM-D material if packaged as you described above. It is still a hazardous material. Also, it will never be shipped as a consumer commodity. The correct proper shipping name will always be Cartridges Small Arms.
Postal regulations prohibit the mailing of any ORM-D material that was reclassed from DOT Hazard Class 1 (explosives) as well as several other hazard classes. If you will check USPS Publication 52, Appendix A, you will see, on page 131 that Cartridges Small Arms ORM-D are prohibited from mailing.
Also, you left out the marking requirements for ORM-D materials in your example of the packaging instructions.