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Posted: 4/24/2002 7:19:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/24/2002 7:20:20 PM EDT by The_Bricklayer]
I'm looking into some 22's like the Walther P22 or the CZ kadet, what are some other good 22lr autos? I'm not interested in the Rugers or the Brownings... i'm looking into ones that are styled more after centerfire autos.

Are those 1911 conversion kits just a waste of money?

Any opinions on the Walther P22 or the CZ Kadet?

Link Posted: 4/24/2002 7:23:35 PM EDT
Any Ruger or Browning will work good.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 7:32:34 PM EDT
I prefer the Beretta Model 87 in 22 LR. It is a conventional DA/SA operation type of 22 LR that is both reliable quite and accurate, although, a little pricey. JarheadGunner.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 7:43:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/24/2002 7:43:37 PM EDT by SGB]
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 7:57:16 PM EDT
The 1911 conversions are not a waste of money. The Marvel or Creiner (I think that's spelled right) are incredibly accruate. Most of the top finishers in the steel challenge rimfire event were shooting 22 conversions on 1911 frames. They can be pricy at $350-$400 depending if you get iron sights or a weaver rail for a dot.

Check out SSI

Link Posted: 4/24/2002 8:36:09 PM EDT
Conversion kits are not a waste of money, if you spend enough for a good one. In order of accuracy, 1911 kits run Kart, tossup for Marvel or Day, and Ciener & Ciener-made (e.g., Wilson & maybe more). I picked up a Kart conversion on a perfect Essex frame for under $400. Kart's are no longer made, but they're not especially hard to find. Marvel's are still in production and have a good reputation for accuracy.

I have not shot a Kadet, but based on my 2 75's, I'd get one in a minute.

Link Posted: 4/25/2002 5:35:21 AM EDT
I own a Colt Match target, Ruger, Baretta and several rimfire revolvers. By far the the Ruger is the funnest and easiest to shoot.

Link Posted: 4/25/2002 6:02:55 AM EDT
The P-22 is nice but I like the Ruger Stainless Government Target Model.
Link Posted: 4/25/2002 7:08:14 AM EDT
If you want a 22. pistol for accuracy, buy a high end Hammerelli. If not, I believe that ruger makes a MKII with the 1911 stlye grip. The aforementioned Beretta 22. seems like it would be nice also.
Link Posted: 4/25/2002 7:31:42 AM EDT
I have had several Brownings and have had the Govt Model Ruger. I like the Brownings by far. The come with an adjustable trigger if you by the target models. The Browning Bullseye model is a good one but get the Wood grips. You can have a gunsmith smooth up the trigger as well. Also the the target models have a scope rail. I have had the Bullseye, 5.5" Target, and the 14" Unlimited model. I think the hooded sights are nice as well. The Ruger's are a pain to take apart and put back together but the mags are cheap. I have shot the Beretta and it is nice but i believe it was only 7 shot mags. I wasnt to crazy about that. I also have a Colt Woodsman Target, S&W 617 w/6" barrel and a P22
But I enjoy the Brownings the most. If I were going to spend some bills I would look at a S&W 41. They have 2 different barrel lengths. I hope my .02 helped
Link Posted: 4/25/2002 9:29:54 AM EDT
i have a ruger MK 1, a model 41, a 422, and a P-22. now it may just be because its new but the P-22 is the bee's knees. i love that little thing. it is a 3/4 scale P-99 and the controls etc translate well to a centerfire pistol which make it great for training new shooters. its more accurate than you think a 3inch barrel would be. and it has a host of high speed accesories already on the market. my favorite beat around 22 is the 422. fair accuracy, featherweight, and it shares mags with the 41. i recomend the P-22 if you want the illusion of a centerfire pistol. for $269 you cant go wrong
Link Posted: 4/25/2002 9:29:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/25/2002 9:30:19 AM EDT by Boomholzer]
Link Posted: 4/25/2002 9:45:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/25/2002 1:06:47 PM EDT by cnatra]
Browning Buckmark


interesting, they don't make the 10" target model anymore

I have one of those & the 5.5" target

both pistols shoot great!
Link Posted: 4/25/2002 10:40:53 AM EDT
Ruger Mark II Bull Barrel Target Match

Those are great little handguns.
Link Posted: 4/25/2002 11:46:50 AM EDT
I have a Kimber .22 conversion (I've since heard they are possibly made by Ceiner) and I've had a real good time shooting it. I've got 5 mags for it so I can go through a whole box of 50 without reloading.
After I finish fitting my Tannery 1911 frame to the slide, this will become a dedicated 1911/.22.
I'm waiting on a Ruger Bearcat (older model) to be shipped to my FFL from an out-of-town gunshop I saw it in recently. Although this is a single-action revolver, it's going to be my kid's first handgun.
Link Posted: 4/25/2002 12:20:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/25/2002 12:43:09 PM EDT
I have a Walther P22 and I love it. It's got tons of features, it shoots really well and the price was good.

I got the second barrel for it as well, so I configure is the 3.5" standard model or the 5" Target model.

I highly recommend getting one. You won't be disappointed !

Link Posted: 4/25/2002 12:56:05 PM EDT
Ceiner kits are good stuff. Got one for my Glock. Only complaints are: the mags fit so tight that they are a little dificult to change and after it gets dirty it'll start malfunctioning. Accuracy is better than you would expect (better than I am). I like mine so much that I rarely shoot any other .22lr pistols (and that includes my S&W mod 46). I only wish the Ceiner kit for the ARs were as accurate.
Link Posted: 4/25/2002 1:46:51 PM EDT
bcr308, What do you think of your S&W 617? How does its accuracy compare to other 22 pistols you've used? If I'm not mistaken, the 617 can be had w/ a 10 shot cylinder. I've seriously considering getting one, but the Walter P22 is really catching my eye as well.
Link Posted: 4/26/2002 3:18:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/26/2002 3:26:26 AM EDT by bcr308]

I really enjoy shooting the 617. It is an older model which is the down side. By this I mean it is only a six shot. But other than having to reload it alot it shoots great. It is stainless with the full lug barrel with grooved rosewood grips. I am about to have the trigger slicked up. Really I enjoy the auto's. But if you need a wheel gun I would say it is the way to go. I have a P22 with both barrels and the Gemtech adapter for the suppressor which I am currently working on getting. I really like the P22. I have heard others post bad things on this board about them. But for the money it is great. I can take a 6" shoot-n-see and shoot it as fast as I can and keep all the shoots in the circle at about 20'. By the way with the adapter on the barrel it looks cool with a birdcage flashhider on it but not as cool as the suppressor! One down side to the P22 is I carry a P99 .40 all the time and after shooting the P22 for a while the P99 feels like an axe handle! I would love it if they could make a single stack 9mm in the P22 frame.
Link Posted: 4/26/2002 3:35:16 AM EDT
Don't forget about the Ruger 22/45! Got one, love it.

Art in KY
Link Posted: 4/26/2002 3:40:02 AM EDT
Smith & Wesson Model 41.
Mine is a tack driver.
Link Posted: 4/26/2002 3:59:26 AM EDT
Rethink the Browning.....the Buckmarks are sweet shooters. I love mine.
Link Posted: 4/26/2002 4:14:01 AM EDT
One more vote for the P22. Very good gun.

I have also a Beretta 87, nice looking, but very picky about the ammo you feed it.

The P22 on the other hand, eat anything.
Link Posted: 4/26/2002 4:47:25 AM EDT
If you don't own a Ruger MkII, you should.
Everyone should own at least one.

Link Posted: 4/26/2002 6:04:36 AM EDT
Thanks for the replies, I like the Rugers and the Brownings but i'm not looking to win a match or anything. I have a ruger single six with a 9.5 in bbl, it is very accurate, but it is an odd gun to carry around with such a long bbl. I'm just going to be using this one to carry along when i go fishing, hiking, or when i'm out in the fields with the varmint rifle. something small and lightweight, but fairly accurate at the same time. anyway i have myself talked into a p22 (imagine that ), since a guy let me shoot his at the range last weekend and i was really impressed with it. as for the conversion kits they cost just as much as a p22.


Link Posted: 4/26/2002 6:40:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/26/2002 6:45:31 AM EDT by slt223]
Hey bcr308, Thanks a lot! Now I'm going to have to get both! Actually, the only reason I was considering the P22 is because I wanted a small suppressable .22cal pistol. I bet it's extremely quiet, especially with the 60gr. Aguila stuff. Something tells I will then want to be like James Bond and get a P99 w/suppressor. I officially have too many firearms projects this summer.
Link Posted: 4/26/2002 12:46:50 PM EDT
i agree. i think a single stack 9mm on the P22 frame would be PERFECT
Link Posted: 4/26/2002 12:51:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By markm:
Any Ruger or Browning will work good.

What he said!!!!
Link Posted: 4/26/2002 4:01:34 PM EDT
how about a Sig Trailside.

Link Posted: 4/26/2002 5:04:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FirearmTom1:

Originally Posted By markm:
Any Ruger or Browning will work good.

What he said!!!!

ditto again
Link Posted: 4/26/2002 8:30:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/26/2002 8:33:20 PM EDT by Phil_in_Seattle]
They are all good suggestions.
For my own purposes I have a Kimber AKA Ceiner conversion that I got in a package deal. The darn thing works and it works very well. It's especially nice to switch to it after working with heavy 44 magnum loads in a light weight gun.

Link Posted: 4/26/2002 9:38:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/26/2002 9:53:14 PM EDT
I've got to side with my Browning brothers on this one, I've had Rugers and sold Rugers but I still have my first Browning. Trigger is sweet, accuracy is outstanding,and it's built like the proverbial brick s***house
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 10:22:10 AM EDT
Another vote for Browning. Got a Standard model Buckmark. Love it. Very accurate. Can't wait 'til squirrel season to give it a try.
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