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Posted: 1/7/2003 2:52:21 PM EST
At the gun show I noticed alot of people buying the green tips and I was just wondering why?

The normal M193 ball ammo will go thru the concealable body armor so why do people want the green tips are they worried about shooting thru the heavy swat body armor??

I have a confession I was also one of the people who bought a box of the green tips.
Link Posted: 1/7/2003 3:25:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/7/2003 3:27:34 PM EST by markm]
Green Tips are useless. They defeat the purpose of the AR's original design. And that was a light fast bullet with vicious ballistics.

If you read the accounts of the Mogadishu fiasco, you saw the over penetration of the green tips. I don't know if that is true but it seem logical that the M855 would over penetrate the somalians' thin carcasses.
Link Posted: 1/7/2003 3:40:36 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/7/2003 4:06:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/7/2003 4:07:31 PM EST by Minuteman419]
I think it's the cool factor at work again. I have some green tips and I would trade 1 of them for 2-3 rounds of good M193. They don't impress me. I won't be using them much over 200 yards anyway. IMHO.

MM419
Link Posted: 1/7/2003 4:13:52 PM EST
I load my SHTF strippers with SS109 & Military Ball alternating. I figure in any situation all I have to do is hit them twice and I am OK.
Link Posted: 1/7/2003 6:15:04 PM EST
I have not done any kind of scientific testing, but I would say SS109 is much more accurate out of a 1/7 20" HBAR than M193. At 100 yards it may not mean much, but at 500 it matters. JMHO. If you have used both, post your experience.

My limited results average about 5 moa for SA 'M193', and 2.5 moa for IMI SS109. Same gun, days, etc.
Link Posted: 1/7/2003 7:19:08 PM EST
i like SS109. it definitely has its merits but i bet my storage is only 10% SS109. M193 is just a better round for joe civilian. i would like to stash away a case of IMI M855 but as it stands i have 2 battlepacks of port FNM SS109. for shooting i have some spanish SB SS109. i buy it because its the most accurate ammo i have found for the money. i only shoot it in my MT6601 and my varmint upper and it performs as well for me as black hills 69gr for half the cost. it puts nice little groups on paper all the way to 500m. not bad for $220/1200
Link Posted: 1/7/2003 9:51:57 PM EST
As people say it's the cool factor, having the magic green tip and all !

Personally from my experience with M855, I'll stick with 193 which will ACTUALLY hit a target at 500m every time ....
Link Posted: 1/8/2003 5:29:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/8/2003 5:33:02 AM EST by Green_Canoe]

Originally Posted By Ngog_Nrythrng:
I have not done any kind of scientific testing, but I would say SS109 is much more accurate out of a 1/7 20" HBAR than M193. At 100 yards it may not mean much, but at 500 it matters. JMHO. If you have used both, post your experience.

My limited results average about 5 moa for SA 'M193', and 2.5 moa for SS109. Same gun, days, etc.



My expirience with the same brands of ammo was exactly the opposite. SA M193 2-3 MOA, IMI M855 (SS109) 5+ MOA. 20" 1/9 HBAR

Kent

Edited so I'll get it right one of these times.
Link Posted: 1/8/2003 8:34:29 AM EST
At closer ranges does the SS109 penetrate armor any better than the M193?
Link Posted: 1/8/2003 9:25:55 AM EST
I could be wrong but the green tip (ss-109) are ment to be shot out of a 20" not a 16" and less barrels.

I use SS-109 in my 20" and they work great, on the other hand, I use M193 (lake city) out of my 16" M-4gery and they seem to work good.

I think it is a matter of the application the round is needed for....Personally, if the $hit were to hit the fan, I'd stick w/ the LC 55gr stuff.......I am interested in stoping a bad guy ASAP, less shots, then I am interesting in shooting up a car door...
Link Posted: 1/8/2003 1:45:09 PM EST
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