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Posted: 9/16/2005 11:10:47 AM EDT
So. . .

whats everyones opinion on BATTLE RIFLES, if in a survival situation, you could only have one rifle for the remainder of your lifeh
remember people, the operative expression here is BATTLE RIFLE
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 11:16:13 AM EDT
I'd take a "slightly" modified UZI in 300 Win Mag or an............

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FAL
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 11:38:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/16/2005 11:40:50 AM EDT by mtchristman]
This subject comes up every other week, but what the heck I'm in.

I will take the one that has seen more action than the other three combined, the battle proven FAL in just about any flavor.

I wouldn't feel naked carrying any of the other three though.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 11:45:15 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 11:48:34 AM EDT
G-3 is the most reliable, so I pick that.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 11:54:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Schulze:
G-3 is the most reliable, so I pick that.



Based on what?
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 11:54:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/16/2005 11:55:37 AM EDT by Master_Blaster]

Originally Posted By Schulze:
G-3 is the most reliable, so I pick that.



Though I'm a FAL fan, I must agree. While G3 isn't as user-friendly & tends to kick somewhat like a spiteful mule, it'simple action handles sand, salt, etc., better.

Having said that, I'm all over the SCAR/ARM-H. That thing looks like the cats-meow of battle rifles.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 11:58:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mtchristman:

Originally Posted By Schulze:
G-3 is the most reliable, so I pick that.



Based on what?



G-3 is the SEAL teams current .308 battle rifle of choice. Also, consider what the Izzy's had to say about how the FAL handles sand. There's a reason for a Galil in .308 cal.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 12:00:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/16/2005 12:00:57 PM EDT by pyro6988]
Fal of the M1A. I think that they are both equally reliable. It think that the AR10 and HK 91 aren't too far behind.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 1:40:25 PM EDT
G-3 is the SEAL teams current .308 battle rifle of choice. Also, consider what the Izzy's had to say about how the FAL handles sand. There's a reason for a Galil in .308 cal.

Theres still no way to compare how many FAL's have seen action in the sand to how many G3's. There have also been things said about the Israelies lack of maintenance on weapon systems. We are talking millions of FAL's to a comparedly handful of G3's. Still until somebody does a real world unbiased side by side test that anybody can see the results of were back to the special olympics pic about arguing on the internet.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 2:21:16 PM EDT
HK 91

I don't own a AR10 yet, but I have a HK91, FAL and M1A. To me the HK91 is better than the FAL and M1A.

I have shot a lot of deer with the HK91 so I have a lot of confidence in the rifle.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 2:29:38 PM EDT
Right now its an M1A. Wouldnt hesitate on a FAL though.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 2:44:55 PM EDT
Fred says M1A, and Fred is no lightweight.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 2:48:48 PM EDT
Of the rifles I currently own I would pick my Enfield No4Mk1. If I had a lifetime's supply of ammo.

I have no experience with a CETME/HK or a FAL. I would also trust my Garand, but that's the closest I have to the M14-type rifle.

Like I said, NO exposure/experience with the semi-auto battle rifles so I'd grab my Enfield. (flame on)
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 2:49:43 PM EDT
FAL or M1A, slightly prefer the FAL.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 2:56:37 PM EDT
M1A with the FAL a real close second....
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 3:03:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/16/2005 3:05:58 PM EDT by cloak-n-carbine]
My ever so humble opinion and vote would go to a FN FAL 50.63 (the FAL w/folding butt stock and 18" bbl). My .02

The HK91 would be a close second, only because of the fact that it tends to get so dirty internally, that I would worry that in an extended (TEOTWAWKI/SHTF situation) firefight with no chance to clean it, its reliability would be compromised. I say this despite the fact that mine has NEVER so much as burped on me!
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 3:39:02 PM EDT
1st choice: FAL
2nd choice: FAL
3rd choice: FAL
4th choice: M1
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 3:46:08 PM EDT
I voted FAL.
Just one mans humble opinion.

Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:06:03 PM EDT
FAL. I'd take an M14, but they're heavy and the Springfiled's use cast and non USGI parts. The AR10 doesn't really have a reputation as being battle field reliable, and the HK91 is a little too pricey. In fact, for a 7.62 battle rifle, I'd go this route.

Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:27:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:
FAL. I'd take an M14, but they're heavy and the Springfiled's use cast and non USGI parts. The AR10 doesn't really have a reputation as being battle field reliable, and the HK91 is a little too pricey. In fact, for a 7.62 battle rifle, I'd go this route.

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A full auto .308 with a 11'' barrel no thanks
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:32:19 PM EDT
All of the above, if in good repair, I would feel confident with any of them.

I would choose the AR-10, though, because it is the best of the lot, in my opinion.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:46:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/16/2005 4:48:05 PM EDT by Sigurd]
HK91.

18" LRB M14 in a Sage stock if I could afford one.

I owned a FAL for a while, but I'm not sold on it.



ETA the .308 Galil is a great choice but mags are stupidly expensive. Same with the .308 Valmet, except the mags are even more expensive.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 4:51:05 PM EDT
I dont know.

I have never been in battle, been in the military, shot people to stay alive, or worry about carrying all my personal gear plus enough ammo to get me through a fight.

So I really have no basis for choosing one.

From my experience I can say that my .22LR pistol takes down silhouettes on paper like no bodys business. So if I was going to war against paper I would carry a .22LR.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 10:27:12 PM EDT
FAL for me, thanks....



- georgestrings
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 10:35:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 10:36:13 PM EDT
I voted M1A, but just because that's the only battle rifle I have any solid experience with. Had a CETME--hated everything about it. Had a Ishapore .308 (Indian-made Enfield)--it was OK I guess. I just got a Garand, but haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. A FAL may be next on my list to see if I like it better than the M1A. But until then, I'd take my M1A.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 10:57:01 PM EDT
The FAL gets the nod over the M1A for me , and I own
a few examples of both .

The reason being is the simpler inline gas/piston system
of the FAL . Along with the fact that an FAL requires minimal
lube compared to the M1A/M14 .
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 11:41:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mtchristman:
G-3 is the SEAL teams current .308 battle rifle of choice.


Nope, the M-14 is... Always been that way.

Just because they have a few G3s in the Armory for training purposes, doesnt mean they actually use them.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 11:48:08 PM EDT
I would choose the M14
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 12:35:53 AM EDT
M14...as long as I get to put it together.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:15:07 AM EDT
Survival situation I'll take the FAL. Mags are more avaible and adjustable gas system for questionable ammo. Easier to mount optics on (reciever cover).

CD
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:42:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 5:42:18 AM EDT by Wave]
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:36:59 AM EDT
HK91 / G3
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:41:31 AM EDT
+1 for HK-91 .

Try test shooting these rifles off the bench.
Especially when they are REALLY heated up.

It can change your perception of which one is more
reliable.
After they get heated up during rapid fire,the HK looses
the least accuracy of the 3 most common MBRs
IMHO.

My order is :
1.HK-91
2.FAL
3.M1A

Yeah ,I know what so many say about the M1A
being the most accurate.
It simply doesn't work as well as the HK or FAL
in difficult conditions .

If I wanted to shoot slow enough to get the long range accuracy
advantage of the M1A ,I'd buy a bolt .

The FAL was a very close second.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:50:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By postpostban:

Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:
FAL. I'd take an M14, but they're heavy and the Springfiled's use cast and non USGI parts. The AR10 doesn't really have a reputation as being battle field reliable, and the HK91 is a little too pricey. In fact, for a 7.62 battle rifle, I'd go this route.

www.dsarms.com/images/sa58osw.gif



A full auto .308 with a 11'' barrel no thanks


As a battle rifle, I'd love to have one like that. Unfortunately, full autos are illegal. So I would simply apply for an SBR permit, and order the semi auto 13" configuration. Either that, or just order one configured similarly with a 16" barrel.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:03:16 AM EDT
i must go with the G3. it is by far the best .308 on the market. (cheap clones don't count). HK, greek, or port - only.

although i have seen/owned some really nice reliable clones.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:50:41 PM EDT
FAL!
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 6:12:53 PM EDT
M1A for me.

Max
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 6:22:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 6:23:11 PM EDT by ALPHAGHOST]

M1A/M14

US of A, designed and made--works best w/ bayonet
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 6:37:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ALPHAGHOST:
M1A/M14

US of A, designed and made--works best w/ bayonet



dont forget - reload with stripper clips!
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 6:40:08 PM EDT
If by "battle rifle" you mean a rifle that you would take into a real infantry vs. infantry fight the answer is obvious--either an AK (in 7.62 x 39 or 5.45 x 39) or an AR in 5.56 x 45. Barrel lengths, stock configurations, and sights are up to the user.

If by "battle rifle" you mean some artefact brought about by the American and other Western militaries'
failure to take into account the studies conducted by the German, Russian, and American armies indicating that an intermediate power cartridge is optimal for such a weapon, and if you habitually adopt terms created out of whole cloth by overwrought, overworked gun writers desperate to fill up space, you should, in my opinion, pick the G.3 or CETME. The design is German, therefore better than anything not Russian. The Russians, however, were smart enough to stop after the SVT40.

Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:30:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 7:31:14 PM EDT by Templar]
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:35:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NH_AR_Shooter:
All of the above, if in good repair, I would feel confident with any of them.

I would choose the AR-10, though, because it is the best of the lot, in my opinion.



+1
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 7:37:14 PM EDT

FAL
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:43:16 PM EDT
Im gonna have to buy a FAL just to see what the hype is about, thanks a lot guys...
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:01:12 PM EDT
M1 Garand for me.The M1 platform (Garand, Carbine and M14) have probably planted more enemy soldiers most others. Lots of Japs, Germans, N Korean ,Chinese and VC fell pray to the mighty M1S. The FAL would be my second choice.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:04:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stottman:
Originally Posted By Me, not him -> mtchristman :
G-3 is the SEAL teams current .308 battle rifle of choice.


Nope, the M-14 is... Always been that way.



In the sniper role, yes.


Just because they have a few G3s in the Armory for training purposes, doesnt mean they actually use them.


Sure thing.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 6:53:13 AM EDT
This poll is yet another solid endorsement of the AR10

(M­1A for me)
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 7:13:04 AM EDT
FAL I built a Para shortly after the ban sunset and it has been the best battle rifle I have owned, I have had a few M1a's over the years and they just dont stack up on reliability, or any where as easy to maintain. The G3 would have to be my second choice behind the FAL. I have only recently Aquired one and so far other than the recoil have to say I am impressed with it.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:25:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By anon23bf:
Fred says M1A, and Fred is no lightweight.




ummm.... whos Fred? ? ? is Fred you???? why should I listen to Fred???

Are we talking Fred of Freds M14 Stocks in the Shotgun News??? Cuz if we are thats a Fred I'd listn to!!!
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