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Posted: 8/2/2005 6:10:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/2/2005 6:10:54 AM EDT by Aimless]
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:11:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:16:11 AM EDT
The 870 that you have is just fine for hunting. If you can not hit an 8 inch target at 100 yards off hand, then go pratice.... It is not that hard with the slugs of today.

Slug-O
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 1:30:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Slug-O:
The 870 that you have is just fine for hunting. If you cannot hit an 8 inch target at 100 yards off hand, then go pratice...



Heck, I'd be lucky to hit an 8" target OFFHAND at 100 yards, and I've killed about 4 dozen deer. I've never taken an offhand shot at deer. If I can't brace off of a tree, my stand, my knee, etc., then I don't take the shot.

That said, I once read in a copy of Gun Digest that if you CAN hit a 9" paper plate at 100 yards offhand 8 out of 10 times with a rifle, that you should set your sights on the Olympics.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:38:28 PM EDT
Well the new S&W 460 looks pretty damn impressive. The reports are that it is good to 200-250 yards. Not bad at all for a revolver. Personally I think I would use a T/C Encore in .308. That would be my choice for stand hunting in an open area. If you don't want to buy more guns I would go with whichever of the two that shoot best at 100 yards....
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 9:09:17 PM EDT
personally...if possible..ditch the traditions..
you can get a great deal on a Knight disc in sportsmans guide or Natchez right now.

with a good 2x7 or 3x9 on a Knight or Remington or T/C you can get close to the 150-200 yard mark easy. with alot of range work with consistant accuracy. with either of my disc's or my 700ml under 150 yards is a legit...kill shot for the if its brown its down school of deer hunting.

i have a safe full of BP rifles..and they are my favorite way to hunt. especially my cap and ball models.
Link Posted: 8/4/2005 1:54:56 PM EDT
Sell the Traditions, get a cantilevered, rifled barrel for that 870. Scope it, then try out about 5 different brands of slugs. Setup like that, it will shoot plenty good for 100 yards. You'll need a rangefinder and a ballistics program to shoot anything much beyond 120 cause they drop fast.
Some people have the "I only need one shot" mentality. In reality, things can go wrong pretty easily and it's real nice to have a fast follow up shot.
Jim
Link Posted: 8/4/2005 7:46:18 PM EDT
I vote for the slug gun.
Easier to load, shoot, and clean.
Link Posted: 8/5/2005 9:17:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:
1-use my 870, maybe put a regular scope (like a 1-4) on it. Leupold 2-7 shotgun scope. I have one on my 11-87 deerslayer


2-scope the blackpowder rifle if it has a better range than the shotgun. I guess I could buy a 1-4ish scope and try it on the muzzleloader then on the shotgun. My muzzleloader will take 150 grain loads, whether it will shoot accurately that hot, I don't know did you lose the rings for this one too?


3-buy a dedicated slug gun. I don't know that slugs are accurate enough to benefit from a bolt action but I could get one of those I guess check out Ed Sr's Browning Abolt shotgun, the cream of the crop short of a custom gun, dull bayonet attachment optional


4-handgun, I think for treestand hunting this is a non-starter.

yeah, I've seen you shoot handguns
Link Posted: 8/5/2005 9:19:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By M4Madness:
That said, I once read in a copy of Gun Digest that if you CAN hit a 9" paper plate at 100 yards offhand 8 out of 10 times with a rifle, that you should set your sights on the Olympics.



You need to shoot a few CMP matches. You might be surprised.
Link Posted: 8/5/2005 11:40:13 AM EDT
Im not bragging but...... I shoot about 75 to 100 slugs each time I go to the range.... Hince the name...SLUG-O. I have no problem hitting a 8 inch circle all day long at 100 yards.My friends can back that up for sure. I will post a photo later of my slug gun.

Slug-O
Link Posted: 8/5/2005 7:45:30 PM EDT
870 , More power and more Rds for follow up .
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:22:49 PM EDT
Personally, I use 11-87 with the Remington rifled choke tube, the 1 oz. Brenneke K.O. slugs and an Aimpoint reddot. With this combination, mine will clover leaf them at 100 yards. With that said, I quickly returned to the store and bought 20 boxes of the same lot number.

With this combination, I have killed a lot of deer and one unfortuate coyote at 97 yards.

I had an Austin & Halleck muzzleloader but it was not as consistent in accuracy as the 11-87. I suspect that the buildup of residue from shot-to-shot has something to do with it. I used the Triple 7 pellets, loose Triple 7, regular Pyrodex in it and tried all kinds of slugs but could just never get it to group consistently. Needless to say, when I missed a doe at 110 yards with this rifle, it went back in the safe and the 11-87 came out. Two deer with two slugs later and that rifle got sold.

Bottom line, use the weapon that you are most consistent with. And you had better be able to hit that paper plate 10 out of 10 times when you are the range. If you can't when there is no pressure/excitement, then how will you do when there is something alive downrange?

Not preaching...just passing on words of wisdom that were passed on to me.
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 4:45:21 AM EDT
I use both. If I'm on a stand I use a muzzleloader more accurate and better range, and when we are doing dirves from the smaller woods and standing corn I use the shotgun for rapid follow up shots. This is hunting in Ohio
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 4:02:40 PM EDT
What are NY laws in regards to using a handgun? Are you allowed to use a T/C Contender or similar "Hand Rifle"?
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 4:16:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 4:33:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/30/2005 4:34:14 PM EDT by Quarterbore]
Well, then some of the T/C Encore options will easily allow you to hunt out to 200-yards or more... My father has a 14-inch barrel T/C Contender in 30/30 and he lads it with Single Shot Pistol bullets (130-gr I think) and I have seen him drop deer at 150-yrds or so. We have also used it in 223 to shoot groundhogs at 200+ yards....

Now, I have also dropped deer at about 125 yards with my own 870 slug gun...

Unless you are dying to try BP... You might look at what the T/C Encore (or Contender) offers...
Link Posted: 9/3/2005 8:45:37 PM EDT

A quality inline BP will let you take a deer at 200 yds with sabots and 150 gr of powder.



My T/C Omega groups 1" at 100yds with 2 pyrodex pellets, shooting Hornady SST sabot BP 250 gr bullets.

Haven't played around with it enough to know what it will do with 3 pellet loads.

I took a nice 9 pt last year with it. Green score 117.

Link Posted: 9/11/2005 12:06:21 PM EDT
In Wisconsin there are shot gun only zones and rifle zones and a week of BP only. You can legaly use a Black Powder any where any time gun deer season is open! One gun for the job.

I've never had a chance to use follow up shots that would have mattered so I thing one good shot is all you really need. When you pull the trigger they are either dead, running hit or running missed. There generaly isn't much you are going to do about it unless you're on the plains and can see forever.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 3:28:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:54:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck:
A quality inline BP will let you take a deer at 200 yds with sabots and 150 gr of powder.



My T/C Omega groups 1" at 100yds with 2 pyrodex pellets, shooting Hornady SST sabot BP 250 gr bullets.

Haven't played around with it enough to know what it will do with 3 pellet loads.

I took a nice 9 pt last year with it. Green score 117.





I've heard the groups really open up once you go past about 120 grains, but I have not tried it yet. My previous blackpowder rifles would only take 100 grains. I read in an article about the Savage Smokeless muzzleloader that supposedly the sabots are not up to the heat and higher pressure generated by smokeless and presumably by hotter black powder/black powder substitutes.



Please tell me that's a typo. You aren't putting smokeless powder in a muzzleloader, are you?
Jim
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 5:37:05 AM EDT
The Savage is designed and marketed to use smokeless powder. If you've been naping flint out back to long you may have missed the advertisements.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 6:34:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 10:32:07 AM EDT
Whew! I didn't know that anyone made a muzzleloader that took smokeless powder.
I have heard stories where someone used a smokeless powder in a muzzleloader that needs black powder or a bp substitute only. Shrapnel city!
I apologize if I sounded like you didn't know what you were doing. I just wanted to prevent a dangerous mistake.
Jim
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 10:38:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 10:45:05 AM EDT
I figure anyone who never makes a mistake with women is probably a monk or something.
Did you hear about Alliant Powder putting Bullseye in Unique canisters? That could really ruin your day!
Jim
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 10:53:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 11:00:49 AM EDT
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