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Posted: 12/18/2003 11:22:00 PM EDT
While looking through the Natchez catalog, I came across rubber buckshot made by Sellier and Bellot.
They come in three different flavors: 15 pellet, 1 ball, and 2 balls.

Which one would have better non-lethal stopping power? My guess would be the one with 2 balls (leave the dirty comments to yourself).
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 12:57:42 AM EDT
In what situation do you see yourself using these loads?
Link Posted: 12/19/2003 6:30:38 AM EDT
I bought some of the 1 ball and 15 pellet sizes for chasing dogs off my property that I don't want hanging around. For defensive uses against people I would use real buckshot. If I'm in a situation where I'm shooting at a human for self defense I'm gonna put them down as fast and as sure as I can.
Link Posted: 12/20/2003 3:20:31 PM EDT
Neither rubber buckshot, or any other specialty impact round has "Stopping" power. They are primarily pain compliance tools used to make the target give up or run away. Although they are painful, and the target may fall down because they are suprised, afraid, or interupted in motion the round will not reliably "stop" someone. If your comfortable with those limits, and still want some, find out what the velocity of the respective loads is. Zippy is good.
Link Posted: 12/20/2003 6:31:32 PM EDT
In most jurisdictions, if you shoot someone with "non lethal" rounds it is still considered deadly force.
Link Posted: 12/20/2003 10:18:50 PM EDT
If I truly now that I don`t have to kill someone, but must use force, then I will use non-lethal rounds.
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 8:44:21 PM EDT
The ammo you are referring to is "less lethal", not non-lethal. It is less lethal than buckshot, but it can still be lethal.

Law Enforcement never uses "less lethal" ammo without substantial backup from other officers with the real ammo.

I understand your way of thinking, but if you pull a firearm, it should be your last resort. I'd want the best buckshot I could find, not some bouncy rubber balls.

Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:09:19 PM EDT
The use of LTL ammo is in the same category as warning shots. If you feel that you are endangered enough to utilize deadly force (a firearm) then you are not allowed to use it to "scare people off."
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