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9/16/2019 10:09:13 PM
Posted: 1/4/2012 9:03:56 AM EDT
Looking to grab up a program and this one suits my purpose for now, i like redundancy so ill prob get QL later on as i find the format easier to understand with LFAD.

So good bad and ugly? Should i just get QL? Or would my plan of LFAD then QL later be a good idea or vice versa?

The $$ involved is a factor and i'm not much of a numbers guy
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 9:11:43 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 9:17:00 AM EDT
I had it. It was very limited in powder-bullet selection and listed everything in CUP instead of the new PSI. I thought it sucked, QL is a lot more $$, but you get what you pay for.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 9:39:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AeroE:
No. What does it offer that you can't find elsewhere in a manual or for no cost on line at manufacturer's web sites?



Wildcatting, and obsolete calibers would be a start, also messing with powders that arent "normal" for the caliber.
Really just trying to see what can be done

I'm aware of the limited powder/bullet issue in the new one you can input your own bullet data now.
Just looking for something to supplement the load manuals and help with development and useful powders for other than listed calibers.

Cant hurt to have too much info at your hands
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 9:53:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2012 9:39:40 AM EDT by AeroE]
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 9:54:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2012 10:24:12 AM EDT by scatterbrains]
ook you completely lost me now.....

Heres their website

Mainly im looking at QL and LFAD for one pupose, with all the powders available.

Ie id like to see if power pro varmint would be a good powder for the 25-223 with a 70gr bullet without buying a lb and "guessing" on a start load or if it would even be beneficial to try. replace Varmint with any powder i dont have available.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 2:11:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
ook you completely lost me now.....

Heres their website

Mainly im looking at QL and LFAD for one pupose, with all the powders available.

Ie id like to see if power pro varmint would be a good powder for the 25-223 with a 70gr bullet without buying a lb and "guessing" on a start load or if it would even be beneficial to try. replace Varmint with any powder i dont have available.


I have QL and I like it. I use several books, bullet and powder manufacturers data as well. If you like, I can offer you a free trial; I'll run 10 loads for you so you can get an idea if it's worth the $.

The thing does tons of stuff, but like Microsoft Word most people only use about 5% of the functionality, including me.

The User Guide is 120 pages in a PDF and that might help you decide as well. Drop me an IM if I can help.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:04:46 PM EDT
Thanks Cap, quick question how up to date is QL? Does it have new powders like cfe223, and alliants power pro series. How do you update with new powders?
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:15:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2012 4:17:07 PM EDT by steve4102]
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
Thanks Cap, quick question how up to date is QL? Does it have new powders like cfe223, and alliants power pro series. How do you update with new powders?


No not yet. It is updated about once a year or so. CFE223 is way new for QL so is 8208 XBR, but they will be included eventually. Your 25-223 is not in QL's data base either. If you know how you can add powders and cartridges to QL's data base, I do not know how, yet, maybe never.

Link Posted: 1/5/2012 7:10:23 AM EDT
Ah ok cool, thank you. Ive been playing with both programs, and biggest diff I see other than averall ease is ql has lots of adjustability while lfad gives you powders that would be optimal in the cartridge.
My chrono should be here soon so ill prob pick up lfad, and work with them together. Later if I want "more" ill get QL.

Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:27:21 AM EDT
QL can do shiot like this.

 Cartridge          : .223 Rem. (SAAMI)

Bullet : .224, 55, Hornady FMJ-BT w/c 2267
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch or 57.40 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch or 457.2 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 50000 psi, or 344 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––-
IMR 3031 108.1 24.7 1.60 3073 97.5 50000 10108 0.851 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 108.8 25.2 1.63 3051 98.2 50000 10124 0.888 ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 90.8 22.8 1.48 3038 99.0 50000 9561 0.858 ! Near Maximum !
SF-033 fl 94.3 23.6 1.53 3029 100.0 50000 9202 0.870 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 98.8 26.0 1.69 3024 93.2 50000 9948 0.855 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 104.7 26.4 1.71 3017 94.4 50000 9896 0.869 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 101.6 27.1 1.76 3014 91.8 50000 10036 0.862 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 99.3 23.6 1.53 3010 96.5 50000 9528 0.854 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 93.4 23.6 1.53 3010 96.5 50000 9528 0.854 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 110.0 27.2 1.76 3005 91.3 49571 10040 0.871 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 107.7 26.3 1.71 3003 90.0 50000 9962 0.864 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 109.7 27.7 1.79 2999 89.1 50000 10001 0.857 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-D0832 98.8 25.5 1.65 2999 96.6 50000 9372 0.855 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 109.8 27.7 1.80 2999 89.1 50000 9987 0.857 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 93.7 25.0 1.62 2998 95.3 50000 9608 0.860 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 104.0 25.0 1.62 2997 95.4 50000 9634 0.866 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 107.0 26.2 1.70 2996 89.1 50000 9914 0.864 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 107.0 26.2 1.70 2996 89.1 50000 9914 0.864 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 107.0 26.2 1.70 2996 89.1 50000 9914 0.864 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x 96.6 22.3 1.44 2996 99.0 50000 9251 0.871 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10 93.1 24.3 1.58 2994 95.2 50000 9584 0.864 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 93.0 24.4 1.58 2993 95.2 50000 9571 0.864 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator 91.2 23.9 1.55 2991 96.3 50000 9483 0.865 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 106.2 26.3 1.70 2988 95.2 50000 9637 0.864 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 109.1 25.8 1.67 2982 93.4 50000 9513 0.855 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 97.2 25.5 1.65 2982 92.2 50000 9625 0.863 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 100.0 25.5 1.65 2982 92.1 50000 9629 0.863 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 98.2 25.8 1.67 2980 92.4 50000 9680 0.869 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200 87.7 22.2 1.44 2980 99.4 50000 9105 0.887 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP1/NP ~approximation 87.7 22.2 1.44 2980 99.4 50000 9105 0.887 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan Sp 7 96.2 25.3 1.64 2977 93.5 50000 9590 0.880 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 98.9 24.3 1.58 2977 92.1 50000 9540 0.862 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-S0621 108.0 25.7 1.67 2976 92.2 50000 9624 0.872 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015 98.5 23.3 1.51 2975 98.5 50000 9133 0.877 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 106.2 25.5 1.65 2975 95.8 50000 9298 0.862 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2207 90.9 20.8 1.35 2973 100.0 50000 8557 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 107.1 27.5 1.78 2972 87.1 50000 9892 0.855 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 103.6 26.2 1.70 2972 89.9 50000 9602 0.862 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 102.3 23.8 1.54 2968 95.1 50000 9504 0.890 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12 98.6 24.6 1.59 2967 96.5 50000 9192 0.862 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198 95.2 20.9 1.35 2967 99.6 50000 8614 0.851 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 296 70.9 18.6 1.21 2965 100.0 50000 8502 0.875 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 97.3 25.5 1.65 2964 93.4 50000 9465 0.881 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 108.5 28.3 1.83 2964 82.8 50000 9778 0.864 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 99.9 25.0 1.62 2963 92.1 50000 9542 0.879 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 108.0 26.0 1.68 2961 89.1 50000 9467 0.855 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 108.2 27.0 1.75 2961 86.7 50000 9666 0.868 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 106.3 25.1 1.62 2953 92.1 50000 9429 0.880 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 101.9 26.8 1.74 2953 89.6 50000 9357 0.862 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230 95.4 25.0 1.62 2952 93.3 50000 9289 0.876 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 103.6 27.0 1.75 2948 86.6 50000 9470 0.863 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 109.5 25.3 1.64 2946 89.1 50000 9303 0.863 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 108.0 25.7 1.66 2944 88.7 50000 9337 0.860 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 108.4 25.7 1.66 2944 88.7 50000 9337 0.860 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 5744 80.4 18.4 1.19 2944 99.4 50000 8596 0.854 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder- 7 89.9 21.3 1.38 2942 99.3 50000 8656 0.873 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N133 105.0 23.5 1.52 2941 98.1 50000 8717 0.863 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 93.4 23.6 1.53 2937 93.2 50000 9108 0.867 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200 90.5 22.5 1.46 2937 94.4 50000 8984 0.864 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 107.1 25.3 1.64 2937 86.8 50000 9215 0.856 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 1:10:23 PM EDT
ok thats pretty damn cool
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 7:08:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By scatterbrains:
ok thats pretty damn cool


How did you get the formatting so nice?

Updates? Yeah - no idea. I have to find out though as the newer powders and such as well as new rounds. I know rounds can be done manually, but you have to be very careful: GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out).

I guess they could have a data file to replace the one it currently uses. I will have to look into that . . .
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