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Posted: 11/21/2010 10:22:13 PM EDT
ok myself along with a few guys who own a 550 acre dairy farm set off a few 2 2.5lb cabelas store bought exploding targets which generated some 911 calls and a police investigation.  they can get the 34-0-0 fertilizer to mix our own tannerite but the local FD and PD are kinda nosy and i'm looking for some legal backing on my side.  we can use the store bought stuff because it's obviously legal in CT as the store is selling it but what can i use to tell the PD to .... uhh go away (nicely) if we buy AL and use 34 to make it for like $1 a pound?  i'm looking for something i can use to tell them making it ourselves is just as legal as buying it from tannerite.com or cabelas.  any input will be appreciated and i understand that non of you are lawyers (well maybe some) and this is not actual legal advice to bet my freedom on but just take it into consideration.  thanks
Link Posted: 11/21/2010 11:24:09 PM EDT
[#1]
Invite the police over, let them set off a few charges themselves. That'll convince them that you are OK guys.
Link Posted: 11/22/2010 7:45:09 AM EDT
[#2]
Go to the tannerite web page. There you will find what you seek. Also the orange book may have a few answers for you. Look in it for anything to do with agricultural clearing.
Link Posted: 11/22/2010 1:38:01 PM EDT
[#3]
found a link on the tannerite site but it doesn't work.
Link Posted: 11/22/2010 2:01:39 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
found a link on the tannerite site but it doesn't work.

LINK
Link Posted: 11/22/2010 6:14:47 PM EDT
[#5]
http://www.tannerite.com/frequent-questions/tannerite-exploding-targets/

that is the page and the link on it doesn't work, i emailed them.

''The federal government, not the state, governs the manufacture of explosives. They specifically exempt the need for an explosives  manufacturing license in five separate statutes. In the CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) Publication 5400. Q&A section, question #48 expressly addresses that a license that a license is not needed for personal, non-commercial manufacture and use of binary explosives.  (Click here for link)"
Link Posted: 11/25/2010 3:51:00 PM EDT
[#6]
48. Is a manufacturer’s license required to acquire and mix binary explosives?
If the individual purchasing the binary explosives is engaged in the business of manufacturing explosives, i.e., mixes and uses them in the operation of a commercial business (for example, operating a quarry, or providing the service of removing stumps or boulders from a farm field), then a manufacturer’s license is required.
An individual farmer who merely wishes to mix the binary explosives to remove obstacles from his field and provides no other outside service would not need a manufacturer’s license.
Please note, however: A Federal explosives license or permit would be required to obtain any explosive device, such as detonators, used to initiate the mixed binary explosives. In addition, transportation of any explosive material, including mixed binary explosives, without a Federal license or permit is prohibited. [27 CFR 555.11: Definition of “manufacturer”; 27 CFR 555.26, 555.41(b)]


Looks like question 48 could still leave a lot to the imagination of local law enforcement but it's a start.
Link Posted: 11/26/2010 5:36:48 AM EDT
[#7]
Well if your doing it for money you need a license, if you and some guys on a farm want to mix up some tannerite and shoot it for fun your ok.  
Do you have a direct link to that?
Link Posted: 11/29/2010 3:57:56 PM EDT
[#8]
If it were me, I would not trust ANYTHING on the retardweb for legal advice, especially from a VENDOR website.

 If you are in Connecticut, this is what I pulled up via GOOGLE: http://www.ct.gov/dps/cwp/view.asp?a=2149&q=294290

Office of State Fire Marshal
Fireworks - Illegal in Connecticut


ALL FIREWORKS (with the exception of sparklers) ARE ILLEGAL in Connecticut   and may NOT be sold, purchased or used, with the EXCEPTION of regulated fireworks displays by state licensed, professional pyrotechnicians at sites which have been approved by state and local officials. Fireworks are defined by law as "any combustible or explosive composition prepared for the purpose of producing a visible or audible effect by combustion, explosion, deflagration or detonation." Novelties, and trick noise makers such as smoke bombs, party poppers and snappers and the "snake", and are banned by Connecticut General Statute 29-357.  Effective June 1, 2000, Public Act 00-198 allows any person who is sixteen years of age or older to buy, sell and use sparklers of not more than one hundred grams of pyrotechnic mixture which are non-explosive and non-aerial.  PA-06-177 added new subdivisions to CGS 29-357 relating to the some compounds that are prohibited in sparklers and fountians as well as adding a total pyrotechnic composition if more than one fountian is mounted on a common base.  Public Act 06-177 also added Fountians to this category and provided definitions for 'sparklers' and 'fountians' that are found in CGS 29-356.

Larger so-called "fire crackers" are actually explosive devices which are banned by both state and federal law. They include M-80’s, M-100’s, M-250’s and larger, cherry bombs, quarter sticks, block busters and other similar devices. Possession of these devices is prohibited by Connecticut General Statute 29-348, Illegal Possession of Explosives; manufacture of these devices is prohibited by Connecticut General Statute 53-80a., Manufacture of Bombs. The only exceptions to the fireworks statute are paper caps which contain less than .025 grains of explosive material.

Transportation to Connecticut of fireworks which have been privately purchased out-of-state is illegal. The fine for violation of transportation regulations is not more than $1,000 for a first offense; persons found guilty of subsequent offenses will be fined not less than $1,000 and not more than $2,000, or imprisoned not more than six months, or both. If injury or death results from such violation, the fine shall be not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than ten years, or both. To order and purchase fireworks by mail is illegal in Connecticut.

Violation of CGS 29-357(d) calls for a fine of not more than $100 or a prison term of not more than 90 days or both; offering for sale, exposing for sale, or selling at retail or possessing with intent to sell a value exceeding $10,000 is a Class A misdemeanor.

The penalty for illegal possession of explosives, CGS 29-348, is a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment of not more than 10 years, or both for each offense.

Violation of CGS 53-80a (manufacture of bombs) is a Class B felony; if a fire caused by fireworks is determined to be arson, first degree (CGS 53a-111), it is a Class A felony; 53a-112 arson second degree, Class B felony; arson, third degree, Class C felony; or if such a fire is determined to be reckless burning, (53a-114), it is a Class D felony.

The only safe way to enjoy fireworks is to attend a public display conducted at a state approved site by state-licensed pyro-technicians.




 Best of luck ...

~Will
Link Posted: 11/30/2010 3:54:25 PM EDT
[#9]
If you are out someplace blowing stuff up where it isn't a regular occurrence than I would expect law enforcement to check it out and I expect them not to have a clue about the legalities of binary explosives. I would also expect to spend lots of time with them getting it sorted out. My humble opinion is that you should get your facts together and give a heads up to the local CLEO be it a Chief or Sheriff. I feel it's much easier to sort out when you're not under the threat of arrest.
Link Posted: 12/1/2010 7:32:48 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
If you are out someplace blowing stuff up where it isn't a regular occurrence than I would expect law enforcement to check it out and I expect them not to have a clue about the legalities of binary explosives. I would also expect to spend lots of time with them getting it sorted out. My humble opinion is that you should get your facts together and give a heads up to the local CLEO be it a Chief or Sheriff. I feel it's much easier to sort out when you're not under the threat of arrest.


that's what i plan on doing, no one around this area has any idea of the federal laws governing anything remotely cool.  it took me 2 months to get my CLEO to sign off on a form 4 for a suppressor and he kept calling it an "application".  by the time i'm ready i'll have a binder the size of a phone book with all the laws and legal what not with me at all times.
Link Posted: 12/3/2010 1:43:59 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
If you are out someplace blowing stuff up where it isn't a regular occurrence than I would expect law enforcement to check it out and I expect them not to have a clue about the legalities of binary explosives. I would also expect to spend lots of time with them getting it sorted out. My humble opinion is that you should get your facts together and give a heads up to the local CLEO be it a Chief or Sheriff. I feel it's much easier to sort out when you're not under the threat of arrest.


that's what i plan on doing, no one around this area has any idea of the federal laws governing anything remotely cool.  it took me 2 months to get my CLEO to sign off on a form 4 for a suppressor and he kept calling it an "application".  by the time i'm ready i'll have a binder the size of a phone book with all the laws and legal what not with me at all times.


Ummmmm, the Form 4 IS an application. Look at the top and see what it's called.

Another good idea is to get the BATFE's number in your phone. The po-po will probably want to call somebody so you might as well have the number.



Link Posted: 12/3/2010 9:22:47 PM EDT
[#12]
well the way he was talking about he made it seem like it was his job to make sure i'm ok to own one and so on.  also called it a license at one point too, i tried to educate him on the matter but i gave up after a few minutes.  i'm making a trust
Link Posted: 12/4/2010 5:27:46 PM EDT
[#13]
If you're out there shooting rifles/shotguns all day nobody is going to know the difference when a 2.5 pound container goes off.... Think of it as cover fire.

Now, if you're mixing 40 pound batches of it and creating 500 foot tall mushroom clouds.... Yeah... the neighbors might bitch...

Link Posted: 12/4/2010 5:51:16 PM EDT
[#14]
Mine wanted to talk to me the first time through. He asked me why I wanted a machine gun and I gave him my "all the other kids have one" story. After that I just had the wifey run them by and he'd sign them on the spot. I finally did a Trust and it saves a little time. The last two transfers were 90 days door to door.
Link Posted: 12/14/2010 5:21:10 PM EDT
[#15]
I asked the ATF last week about Tannerite.  There are no Federal laws forbidding you from mixing the components as long as you shoot them after mixing them.  It is only illegal by Federal law to mix and store Tannerite.   So as long as you don't store it in mixed form, and shoot it quickly after mixing it, you are good to go.

State and local laws are a whole other matter.  Make sure it is legal to posess and use Tannerite where you live.   This differs from city to city, and county to county of some states.
Link Posted: 12/15/2010 9:30:26 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
I asked the ATF last week about Tannerite.  There are no Federal laws forbidding you from mixing the components as long as you shoot them after mixing them.  It is only illegal by Federal law to mix and store Tannerite.   So as long as you don't store it in mixed form, and shoot it quickly after mixing it, you are good to go.

State and local laws are a whole other matter.  Make sure it is legal to posess and use Tannerite where you live.   This differs from city to city, and county to county of some states.


who in the ATF did you call and do you think i could get a more specific law so i can bring that with me in case i have to explain i'm legal?  i also PMd you
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