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Posted: 11/18/2008 12:40:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2008 1:29:04 AM EDT by rightwingnut]
I have a bud who wants a long gun to defend the home.  Would be his first gun.  He is willing to kill.  A shot gun or a carbine.  Of course I will stress to him the importance of weapon handling drills & target pratcice since owning a gun doesn't make you armed anymore than owning a guitar makes you a musician...

He is a school teacher so he can't be dropping the big bucks for a AR, I mean a good AR that an non-tinkerer can bet his life on(colt, LMT etc).  Especially w/ what evil black rifles are going for right now...

So for $500 or less, something that he can depend on I have a few things in mind:
-20 gauge pump
-12 guage pump
-44 mag lever gun
-30-30 lever gun

Might be nice if his dainty wife could handle it too.

Walmart sells a youth camo stock 20 gauge w/ 18.5" barrel w/ full turkey choke!  Nice. I dont' know what the price is but I bet its a pretty good deal.  It has a vent rib so it would be pretty easy to get fiber optic or tritium sights for it.

(please, no comments from people who think shooting a cylinder bore 12 guage w/o actually aiming is a good idea)

I am not sure about using a 20 gauge for home defense though???  Are there any acceptable loads?

I am not sure if you could get a tri-rail for end for a 20 guage shotty or whatever so we could get a light on the forend???

Since this will be his only gun for probably a while it would be more ideal to get a carbine since they are more versatile than a shot gun, but I would feel bad if he shot his neighbor across the street...  He lives on street w/ a culdasack (spelling?) lined w/ houses.  He would likely be shooting down the stairs from the second floor if his first floor was breeched in the night.    

Somehow I would help him get a surefire G2L on the gun...

Can anyone make some suggestions on some guns.
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 1:32:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2008 1:33:24 AM EDT by Aimless]
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 4:29:40 AM EDT
Mossberg 500A is less than $300.
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 4:34:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Nate7out:
Mossberg 500A is less than $300.

+1 on the Mossie!

Link Posted: 11/18/2008 6:30:59 AM EDT
I prefer the Remington 870, but if budget is your concern the Mossberg would do just as well.  

A 12 gauge shotgun is the first weapon anyone should have for home defense, IMO.  The sound of someone racking a slide translates to every language.
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 6:36:02 AM EDT
I would get a Remington 870 18.5
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 6:47:02 AM EDT
I got my 870 used for $150. That leaves plenty of room for either ammo or a second gun.

You could also look at the Keltec sub 2000, it's a .40/9mm carbine. I've actually heard some good things about it.
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 7:06:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:
What's a beretta storm go for? The stock was kind of long for my wife but it has no real recoil and you can mount a light easy. I think I paid less than 500 for mine used, although I eventually sold it.

Otherwise a mossberg 590 or a some kind of defensive remington 870, not sure about getting a light on it without buying the expensive surefire foreend

A storm would be worth considering.  If he is only using it for defense and at close range the 30-30 takes to long to reload.  Either a storm or a 12guage for the availability of loads.
Link Posted: 11/18/2008 10:42:55 PM EDT
I really don't like the idea of using a pistol caliber weapon for home defense if you can help it.  

The more I think about it the more I am liking the idea of a shotgun for vic.  Even though a carbine (like a rifle caliber) is a better all around weapon I really don't feel confident about using a medium bore rifle for home defense in a neighborhood.  

Probably the best thing would be to get a used 12 gauge.  If you get one w/ a vent rib

he is L handed so I'll probably recommend the mossy.  Plus the mossberg is usually a little lighter.  

Can someone please tell me whether a 20 gauge w/ certain loads can be an acceptable HD weapon?
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 5:52:17 AM EDT
Nothing wrong with a 20 ga.  Do your research on something like Ammo Oracle for the right kind of shot size.

Another vote for the Kel-tec Subby.  I picked up a used one for $200 that accepts the Glock 22 magazines.  Upgrade the front sight, add a sleeve for a better cheek weld, and the recoil buffer, and it is one easy shooter.  The Blue Force Gear front sight has a rail along the bottom for a light.  No, it's not a Colt or LMT, but your bedroom isn't Afghanistan, either.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 6:55:26 AM EDT
Pump shotgun...12 or 20ga. Good to go!
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:08:35 AM EDT
500, 870, SKS, or AK
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:15:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2008 7:15:23 AM EDT by SHIVAN]
20ga Rem 870 Youth with buckshot.  Should be well under $500.  It will be light, handy, and shorter then the "adult" model.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:24:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:33:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:49:15 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 10:02:21 AM EDT
Yeah, I was thinking 223 or 7.62. The shotties work well once you adjust the gas for your load.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 10:28:01 AM EDT
around here you could buy 3 used pump shotguns for $500.

If it were me I would find a used Winchester 1200 or 1300 with an 18" barrel for around $150 - $200 and spend the rest on training ammo.

Link Posted: 11/19/2008 3:46:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Rocksarge:
I would get a Remington 870 18.5

This, of course.

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