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Posted: 6/4/2010 5:00:54 AM EDT
i have been loading a cast bullet (lyman-311672) sized to .310 in my m1 garand over 33.0grs. of imr4895 with a 1/4 sheet of tolit parer over the powder as a filler with some good results.at 100yds. they preform better then any 150gr.fmj that i have shot. at 100yds. i can keep 5 shots in a 2in. group. i have tried it both ways with an without the tolit paper filler and the group is much better with it. the bullet or (boolit) cast weights 160grs. sized lubed and with a gas check.

i have fired over 200 rds. through this garand and with not a bit of leading in sight.

the action would cycle but not enough to pick up the next round. by cutting off about 1in. off the the operating rod spring it feeds reliable now, but i think the accuracy was a tad better by hand cycling it.

a while back on this site i posted the question about cast bullets in the garand an all i got was a lot of negative crap. now i am here to say that cast bullets and the garand works juat as well as peanut butter and jelly.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 3:03:03 PM EDT
That's awesome!

I would try it, but I bought a buttload of FMJ's (about 3k) when I first bought my Garand.  

I'll probably switch to cast one day if I ever use all my FMJs up.    
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 3:11:55 PM EDT
no pics of cast boolits, no care!

Sweet deal though, I am still saving my pennies for a Garand and want to cast for it as well. What if any other moulds have you tried?
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 4:31:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jimr:
i have been loading a cast bullet (lyman-311672) sized to .310 in my m1 garand over 33.0grs. of imr4895 with a 1/4 sheet of tolit parer over the powder as a filler with some good results.at 100yds. they preform better then any 150gr.fmj that i have shot. at 100yds. i can keep 5 shots in a 2in. group. i have tried it both ways with an without the tolit paper filler and the group is much better with it. the bullet or (boolit) cast weights 160grs. sized lubed and with a gas check.

i have fired ONLY 200 rds. through this garand and with not a bit of leading in sight.

the action would cycle but not enough to pick up the next round. by cutting off about 1in. off the the operating rod spring it feeds reliable now, but i think the accuracy was a tad better by hand cycling it.

a while back on this site i posted the question about cast bullets in the garand an all i got was a lot of negative crap. now i am here to say that cast bullets and the garand works juat as well as peanut butter and jelly(so far).


Link Posted: 6/4/2010 6:30:02 PM EDT
fefu23 - If you are going to quote someone, why change their quote? The OP wrote he has fired "over 200 rounds" and you changed it to "ONLY 200 rounds." So, what is the magical number the OP must reach before he sees leading?

jonblack
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 6:49:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 6:54:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/4/2010 7:06:20 PM EDT by jonblack]
Here is a thread from another forum on a similar subject if anyone is interested. And another one from over at the CastBoolits forum.

jonblack
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 7:00:22 PM EDT
Here is a posted from the Cast Bullet Association forum. I didn't post a hot link, as I think you have to be a member to view the forum.


6.6.2  HOW TO RELOAD FOR THE M1 RIFLE

Bob Steinberg

My cast load for the M1 was developed when I was a poverty-stricken undergraduate student in the 60's.   Bullet was 311284, cast out of wheel weights (which were much harder in 1968 than they are today); Hornady gas checks, the then new-fangled Alox-Beeswax lube; and they were sized to .309 for my rifle.  Powder charge was 42 grains of WW II surplus 4831 that was sold by Hodgden for $1 a pound; less if you bought it in bulk.  Over the charge was 1/4 sheet of TP; old FA or WW II contract ball cases; CCI 200 primer.  The bullets needed to be seated deep (to the "dirt groove) in order to fit in the magazine.  There are a few "rules" violated here:  powder allegedly too slow for M1 gas system, bullet too heavy; bullet seated deeply into powder space.  The charge is so light that the op rod seems to get a long gentle shove instead of a sharp push.  I never had any difficulties with it.  Like wise, the deep-seated bullets did not seem to seriously hurt grouping.  Groups (fired prone) went about 2-1/2-3" at 100 yards, about the same as the M2 ball that was around then.  (this was not a "match" rifle) I may have had one or two failures to feed in the hundreds of rounds that I fired.   I used to break it down and clean after shooting this load; and I would usually find a few flecks of lead on the gas piston that would brush off with an old bronze bore brush: I cleaned the gas cylinder with a 16 ga shotgun brush and patches, and never had a lead problem there.

Today I would start with 40 grains of new-production 4831; if you are using post-1970 wheel weights, you will probably need to add some type metal to it.  One thing you must never due with the M1: never, ever load the bullet to engrave in the throat.  You will be asking for a slam-fire and the results won't be pretty.

BTW, the same load tweaked for the 03A3, and shot at 200 and 300 yards, got me my first Master classification in 1973.


jonblack
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 7:32:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jonblack:
fefu23 - If you are going to quote someone, why change their quote? The OP wrote he has fired "over 200 rounds" and you changed it to "ONLY 200 rounds." So, what is the magical number the OP must reach before he sees leading?

jonblack


true, but he didnt say over 300 or 1000

So, im guessing its somewhere around 250(maybe) which isnt much more then 200, or that many rounds(why i said ONLY)

"magical" number? dont know



im full of shit and just like to come on here when im bored. so just ignore what i post
Link Posted: 6/5/2010 4:08:25 AM EDT
if leading was going to be an issue it would start to show up just after a few rds not after a couple hundred.  also my directions towards peanut butter & jelly  is that my garand likes the cast bullets much better then the 150fmj.
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