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Posted: 11/2/2009 2:07:53 PM EST
All,

Now that I'm shooting more, I'm curious what reloading actually costs. I just bought 1K of PMC for a little over $.35 per shot and I'm sad at the high cost. Not including the time it actually takes or the equipment to do it, what are the per round costs of the ammo you are loading - figure simple .223 plinking ammo - nothing exotic.

Thanks,
Texan
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 2:15:45 PM EST
dif ammo dif cost.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 2:17:17 PM EST
I think the last time I figured it up, it was about .17/round.

This is after you have loaded enough to pay for your equipment.

brass=free (I have a source for it)
primers=~$30/1k
bullets=~$90/1k
powder=~$20/lb or about ~$130/8 lbs

for the sake of argument, these aren't exact numbers.

If I use all 8 lbs of powder and assuming I get 2000 rds out of all 8 #, I spend $60 on primers and $180 on bullets, the round cost is .18 (.185 actually).

If I use pulled bullets (saw them today for $70 for 1k at hi-techammo.com) my cost comes out to about .13 a round.

I'm sure someone will happen along and have better math than I. I may be off just a little. You won't save money reloading, you just get to shoot more.



Link Posted: 11/2/2009 2:24:13 PM EST
1000 hornady 55 grain fmj - $80
1000 small rifle primers - $30
4 pounds of powder - $100

so just over $200 for 1000 rounds

.223 and 9mm are probably the worst in terms of savings since they are large volume commodity cartridges. Something less common like .45 Colt and I can save $30-40 per BOX.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 2:26:19 PM EST
When buying in bulk (1000 primers, 1000 bulk bullets, 8 pounds of powder) my cost is approx:
8 cents for a 55 grain FMJ, 6,1 cents for 25 grains of BL(C)-2, 2.7 cents for a primer = 16.8 cents per round.

I buy ammunition and then use the cases for reloads, so I pretty much figure those to be free. If you use a better quality bullet liek Hornady rather than Win or Rem, your cost may go up a few cents.

Link Posted: 11/2/2009 2:57:37 PM EST
Thats about right in today's market. .17-.18 per round. But just to make you cringe..I load .45acp for about .08 a round.
Home-cast boolit and components bought a few years ago when it was cheaper.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 3:15:42 PM EST
Figure in the cost of you'r equipment.I recently caught a $40,000.00 11lb flounder.Or rather adding bait, tackle, gas etc.A, oh, divide by fish sorry,$900.00 flounder.Its gonna take time to make up my investment.No not all where 11lbs.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 3:39:29 PM EST
I finally bought my list of reloading stuff because of the extreme annoyance of not finding 77 grn Black Hills red box usually and never finding it at a reasonable price.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 4:14:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2009 4:15:35 PM EST by SBR7_11]
Rather simple –– Look up what the components cost you, and go from there...

1000 bullets = A

1000 primers = B

figure a random average charge weight of 24.5gr,,, price of pound of 1lb powder divided by 7000,,, multiply x 24.5, and again by 1000 = C

brass = FREE here

Cost = A + B + C for 1000 round of loaded ammo, divide by 1000 for cost per loaded round.

You can same with 100ct primer and bullet..
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 4:56:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By KB7DX:
Thats about right in today's market. .17-.18 per round. But just to make you cringe..I load .45acp for about .08 a round.
Home-cast boolit and components bought a few years ago when it was cheaper.


I load 45 acp for about .12 cents a round, but I have to buy my bullets and I cant find primers in the area for under $50 per 1000.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 6:41:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By boman250:
Originally Posted By KB7DX:
Thats about right in today's market. .17-.18 per round. But just to make you cringe..I load .45acp for about .08 a round.
Home-cast boolit and components bought a few years ago when it was cheaper.


I load 45 acp for about .12 cents a round, but I have to buy my bullets and I cant find primers in the area for under $50 per 1000.


I just figured the cost of 1K 225 grain .45 ACP bullets at what I'm paying for scrap wheelweights. Averaging in a 20% loss for steel clips, lug nuts, etc. but excluding the cost of propane or electricity to melt them, I got $6.70.

Most powder here runs about $25/lb after tax. A four grain load would cost $14.29 per 1k of ammo.

I bought primers a few days ago for $39/1k.

So, excluding brass we're up to 59.99 per 1k, or $.06 per round. I'm guessing he is paying a lot more for bullet metal than I am.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 11:05:04 PM EST
Well since I bought ALOT of components a few years ago, my ammo is cheaper than what yers will cost you at todays prices.

1K 55g bullets- $50
1K wolf SM rifle mag primers- $18
Brass (from work)- Free
4# ramshot Tac- $54

Cost per 1000- $122
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:04:29 AM EST
19 cents a round for 55 grn. Hornady FMJ with IMR 4198 powder and CCI small rifle primers (.223 Rem)

35 cents a round for 150 grn. Hornady FMJ with IMR 4895 powder and CCI large rifle primers (.308 Win).
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 6:14:22 AM EST


40-60% shh!!!!!
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 8:24:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/3/2009 8:26:12 AM EST by 1911smith]
Originally Posted By Fluke:
Figure in the cost of you'r equipment.I recently caught a $40,000.00 11lb flounder.Or rather adding bait, tackle, gas etc.A, oh, divide by fish sorry,$900.00 flounder.Its gonna take time to make up my investment.No not all where 11lbs.


Most do not factor in cost of equipment per round. I never have and never will. It's a futile exercise. Reloading is a hobby. If I wasn't spending money on equipment I'd be spending it on guns. Guns, I might add that I couldn't afford to shoot near as much if not reloading. Who's ever heard of factoring in your price per round including your gun ?..... Which is what I say to your fishing equipment costs. Your the first I've heard factor that into the price per pound of fish caught. However, if you were to factor in costs I'd say $ 2000.00 is what I have in equipment. Say I load 10,000 rounds per year (I load twice that amount most years). 10 x 10,000 = 100,000. 2000.00 / 100,000 = .02. 20 years = .01 equipment costs per round. Regardless of our own numbers reloading. I think it's safe to say if your hobby was reloading it would have been cheaper than flounder fishing and the aroma of reloading would have been better too.

Wal Mart last night had Federal 100 round value paks for 39.00 and some change. That would be 390.00 a thousand and 3900.00 per 10,000. Factoring high side of costs 10,000 rounds primers would run 350.00. Powder 700.00 way high. Winchester 55 grain bullets 700.00 = 1750.00. This is assuming your getting your brass free. Finders - Keepers on our range. Just the savings alone on 10,000 rounds of .223 would and will pay for equipment.. BTW I figured my equipment costs way high too. I load with a Lee Turret so I added in the cost of every damn thing in my reloading room which would cover .32acp .38 special, 9mm, 357sig, 40S&W, 45acp and .223rem. Your savings potential is limitless when reloading.

Link Posted: 11/3/2009 8:36:24 AM EST
My .223 "plinking" loads cost me about .19 each.

Link Posted: 11/3/2009 8:59:41 AM EST
My standard plinking ammo is $0.17 per round, not including brass cost.

Once fired brass can be had for $0.07 per case and reused a few times, so if you amortize it, probably 1-2 cents addt'l per round.

I'm using Hornady 55Gr. FMJBT w/Cannelure, Ramshot TAC, and Wolf SRM primers.

I doubt I've saved any money, I shoot a lot more, though. And I no longer worry every minute about how much it costs to pull the trigger. I bought everything in fairly large bulk, keeps the per-round costs down. I'll buy a couple 8-lb containers of TAC powder at a time, primers 10K at a time, and the bullets I buy in cases of 6K from Wideners. At my current rate, a case should last me more than a year, it's just that I put out all the money at once.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 10:14:00 AM EST
Google search for "reloading cost calculator". There are numerous free applications to use. I have an excel spreadsheet I downloaded from somwhere.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 11:46:40 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 12:53:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/3/2009 1:03:31 PM EST by suprmatch]
Go find the cost of what you intend to load with the go to THIS site and it will do the rest. I also started casting and I need to do is cast about 5,000 bullets to recoup my initial purchase. Since my lead is free the only thing it will cost me is some time but the bullets will be free. With casting I figure out it will cost me about $45 to load 1,000 45 acp rounds . Instead of $121.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:17:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By Fluke:
Figure in the cost of you'r equipment.I recently caught a $40,000.00 11lb flounder.Or rather adding bait, tackle, gas etc.A, oh, divide by fish sorry,$900.00 flounder.Its gonna take time to make up my investment.No not all where 11lbs.


It is interesting that you are describing an item that drastically depreciates in value. I would have to say that reloading equipment retain value well if properly maintained. Nice try though.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 1:58:25 PM EST
My M855 clone ammo costs about .17/round to make + brass cost.

Buying TAC and SS109 bullets in bulk from Wideners.

Link Posted: 11/3/2009 2:58:12 PM EST
55gr Montana Gold FMJBT .07
25gr TAC .05
CCI 400 .02
.14

All components bought within the last 8 months.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 3:17:13 PM EST
It's a hobby, a fun one too. There are very few people out there that reload just because of the savings. I personally enjoy being able to shoot as much as I want without breaking the bank or running out of ammo. It actually feels good to put together a load that is more accurate than what you can buy. Plus, high dollar ammo isn't all that expensive to make. It just takes time and a small investment, to learn to do it. I have always wanted to know how to do it, and after buying an ar-15, I knew I had to do something to feed the damn thing. I think a lot of people here are debating on starting. I say, go for it!

Mainly to me, it isn't about the cost per round. It is more-so about being able to make my own ammo and never run out. Really, once you buy the gear to reload, componets are cheap (or they used to be).
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