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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:29:20 PM EST
How did the 94 AWB affect Class III? I wasn't a gun owner at the time so I don't know. Could you still buy suppressors and create SBR's during the ban? All that mattered was that it had to be used on a pre-ban firearm?

Since we're going that far with it, would Class III change IF the new proposed ban passed?


Before I get flamed for "not contacting my reps" or "giving up and buying everything I can before the ban" like in GD, I am just honestly wanting to get educated on this particular topic. Google was not my friend on this one.
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 1:09:32 PM EST
If has not happened yet, nor will I worry about Y3K
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 2:25:29 PM EST
Not to be a smart ass, but 1994 happened 13 years ago...

My main question is about the situation with the 94 ban. Everything else was just icing on the cake.
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 2:27:48 PM EST
From what I understand, threaded barrels and the suppressors you attached to them were covered by the ban. Even though the cans themselves are also NFA.

The suppressors were also considered flash hiders, which was one of the banned features during the awb.

Pre-ban gun you could have a threaded barrel and a can
post ban gun - no threads/can
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 2:36:23 PM EST
Thanks for the reply!

so purchasing a can for a pre-ban firearm during the ban was not allowed?
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 2:42:08 PM EST
read what i wrote.


preban = yes
post ban = no
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 3:29:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/22/2007 3:29:46 PM EST by speeddemon11L]
Well, you said you could have a suppressor. That implies that if you already had one, you were okay. Which was pretty obvious from the get-go. I was asking if you could purchase a new one while the ban was enforced. There is a slight difference there.
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 3:35:45 PM EST
yeah, you could buy one. just like you could buy upper receivers, telestocks, and every other banned whatever.
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 3:37:26 PM EST
I asked the same question a while back.
I wondered if you could have a no-ban rifle in SBR form, since it was NFA.
The answer was no.
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 4:25:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
I asked the same question a while back.
I wondered if you could have a no-ban rifle in SBR form, since it was NFA.
The answer was no.



I thought you could SBR a postban--but it had to have postban features.

Please correct me if I'm wrong--thought I had read it somewhere awhile ago.
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 4:51:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By JAR-SPR:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
I asked the same question a while back.
I wondered if you could have a no-ban rifle in SBR form, since it was NFA.
The answer was no.



I thought you could SBR a postban--but it had to have postban features.

Please correct me if I'm wrong--thought I had read it somewhere awhile ago.


You could SBR a post-ban, but it had to stay post ban features.
I was more interested in a cheap way around the 94 Ban than having an SBR.
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 4:52:51 PM EST
During the AWB, you could SBR anything you wanted, but the NFA did NOT supercede the AWB. Your Post-Ban semi-auto that was SBR'd could NOT have 2 or more of the restricted features. Furthermore, attaching an NFA suppressor to your semi-auto counted as a flash hider, so if your firearm was a Post-Ban and already had 1 restricted feature (like a pistol grip), then attaching your suppressor counted as restricted feature #2 and created a new AW in violation.

Your Pre-Ban semi-autos were Form 1able without restriction during the AWB, exactly like today.

The AWB did not apply to MGs or any manually-operated NFA rifles or shotguns. Suppressors were, in themselves, not effected by the AWB, but the firearm to which they were attached was.

922r does not apply to NFA firearms and this is what confuses people sometimes. The AWB and 922r were not the same legislation, though they are commonly mistaken for each other.
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 5:53:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By Homeinvader:
During the AWB, you could SBR anything you wanted, but the NFA did NOT supercede the AWB. Your Post-Ban semi-auto that was SBR'd could NOT have 2 or more of the restricted features. Furthermore, attaching an NFA suppressor to your semi-auto counted as a flash hider, so if your firearm was a Post-Ban and already had 1 restricted feature (like a pistol grip), then attaching your suppressor counted as restricted feature #2 and created a new AW in violation.

Your Pre-Ban semi-autos were Form 1able without restriction during the AWB, exactly like today.

The AWB did not apply to MGs or any manually-operated NFA rifles or shotguns. Suppressors were, in themselves, not effected by the AWB, but the firearm to which they were attached was.

922r does not apply to NFA firearms and this is what confuses people sometimes. The AWB and 922r were not the same legislation, though they are commonly mistaken for each other.


Exactly....922r put restrictions ont he IMPORTATION of NON SPORTING RIFLES. NFA weapons are by definition "non sporting". The AWB was about evil features on US and Foreign made guns. Completely diffedrent legislation. THe AWB is gone and 922r is still in full effect.

BTW weapons are not Class 3. That is the type SOT a Dealer has. They are Title II weapons.

Bomber
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 7:38:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By thebomber:

BTW weapons are not Class 3. That is the type SOT a Dealer has. They are Title II weapons.

Bomber


Didn't you just post in the class 3 forum?
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 2:46:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:

Originally Posted By thebomber:

BTW weapons are not Class 3. That is the type SOT a Dealer has. They are Title II weapons.

Bomber


Didn't you just post in the class 3 forum?



I think I did......just an effort to edumicate

Bomber
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 5:16:49 AM EST
...and education was the purpose of this thread!


Thanks for all of the replies and for this little history lesson!
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 7:00:18 AM EST
Can you all learn me on the origin of the phrase Title 1 and Title II, please?

I know it must be related to the USC, or NFA but I dont know the history there...

B
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 9:08:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By Brazos:
Can you all learn me on the origin of the phrase Title 1 and Title II, please?

I know it must be related to the USC, or NFA but I dont know the history there...

B


I'll take a stab at this--please correct me if I'm wrong, folks.

Title I and Title II refer to the type of firearms and are titles of part of the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Title I are long guns, handguns, frames/receivers, and silencers. Title II, or National Firearms Act (NFA) are machine guns, silencers, short barrel rifle/shotguns, destructive devices, and "any other weapon" that doesn't fit under the definitions of either Title I or Title II.

HTH
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 10:37:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By JAR-SPR:

I'll take a stab at this--please correct me if I'm wrong, folks.

Title I and Title II refer to the type of firearms and are titles of part of the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Title I are long guns, handguns, frames/receivers, and silencers. Title II, or National Firearms Act (NFA) are machine guns, silencers, short barrel rifle/shotguns, destructive devices, and "any other weapon" that doesn't fit under the definitions of either Title I or Title II.

HTH


Silencers/suppressors are also Title II.

While it's true the Class 3 refers to the license and not the type of firearm, it has colloquially come to mean the same thing. Whether you use Title II or Class 3 to desribe your hobby, people will be communicating effectively using either.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 4:50:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By Homeinvader:

Originally Posted By JAR-SPR:

I'll take a stab at this--please correct me if I'm wrong, folks.

Title I and Title II refer to the type of firearms and are titles of part of the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Title I are long guns, handguns, frames/receivers, and silencers. Title II, or National Firearms Act (NFA) are machine guns, silencers, short barrel rifle/shotguns, destructive devices, and "any other weapon" that doesn't fit under the definitions of either Title I or Title II.

HTH



You're right...the problem however becomes people think they need a Class 3 license to own a suppressor/machine gun/SBR. I hear it all day long .

Bomber

Silencers/suppressors are also Title II.

While it's true the Class 3 refers to the license and not the type of firearm, it has colloquially come to mean the same thing. Whether you use Title II or Class 3 to desribe your hobby, people will be communicating effectively using either.
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