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9/22/2017 12:11:25 AM
Posted: 10/10/2002 4:23:39 PM EDT
With all the cool stuff they have done with the AK action why should we just stick to pistel cals. and .50s, can't there be a .410 upper?

I don't think you could get 12ga to work with out totaly rigging up something chezzy but .410 is not that far off in size.

Maybe somebody could even make 45-70,8mm or one of any other fun combo.

Can this be(reasonably) done and if not why?
Link Posted: 10/10/2002 7:01:29 PM EDT
i think 410 is too long. 28 guage on hte other hand would fit. this was acually discussed a long time ago, and someone who acually had the ability to do sometihng like that said the gas system wouldnt work, and anything that would work wouldnt be an AR anymore.
Link Posted: 10/10/2002 9:58:37 PM EDT
would it be possible on a ar10?
Link Posted: 10/10/2002 10:31:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/10/2002 10:34:42 PM EDT by buck_nay_kid]

Originally Posted By cyrax777:
would it be possible on a ar10?



Good idea! Ar10s have a littel more beef on'em.it just may work......right?

The 45-70 idea must be able to work,the .50 Beowolf is based on the 45-70 and it works.
I really think the 45-70 is a better round too.
I know 45-70 is bigger that .308 but by how much,with a bigger spring and a new barrel I wounder if an AR10 could be made to shot 45-70.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 6:40:55 AM EDT
You said AK action....

The russian siaga shotgun is just that. 12 ga, and .410 semi-auto mag fed shotguns. If you meant AR action then thats a diferent story.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 9:06:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/11/2002 9:08:44 AM EDT by Matthew_Q]
what about with .410 2.5 inch shells?

What was the darn COAL for a 5.56... it's right around 2.5 inches, isn't it?

Could the gas system in an AR handle a shotgun round? I mean, being that shotshells use very fast burning powders.

Link Posted: 10/11/2002 10:10:52 AM EDT
Magazine length cartridges cannot exceed more than 2.26 inches in an AR15.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 5:56:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Guncrazy223:
You said AK action....

The russian siaga shotgun is just that. 12 ga, and .410 semi-auto mag fed shotguns. If you meant AR action then thats a diferent story.



"With all the cool stuff they have done with the AK action why should we just stick to pistel cals. and .50s"

We are AR owners/fans.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 6:04:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Torf:
Magazine length cartridges cannot exceed more than 2.26 inches in an AR15.



About the AR10?

Even if the gas sys. would not work the shot shell power you should not have any trouble with 45-70 or 30-06.

The more I think about the more I would like to see a true large cal upper.
Something that would let you still use you AR in the way it was made to use,a small light big bore tac-driver.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 9:39:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 11:40:46 PM EDT
Isn't 28 gauge and .410 the same thing?

I've also got to ask...why? Why would you want a .410 shooting AR?
Link Posted: 10/12/2002 8:26:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ARndog:
Isn't 28 gauge and .410 the same thing?

I've also got to ask...why? Why would you want a .410 shooting AR?



For the hell of it.
Link Posted: 10/12/2002 9:04:00 AM EDT
no. they are quite a deal diffrent. 28 is a super light load thats really only good for skeet shooting (really close shots). its considered to the be most perfecty dementioned and best petterning shell ever. it is REALLY expensive or course. 410 is considered the worst designed shotshell, and someone who shoots it in high-level skeet has a brasspair. thats not to say its never done.
Link Posted: 10/12/2002 9:16:17 AM EDT
I kill a hell of a lot of birds every year with the 28ga so the statement about good for skeet only just doesn't hold water with me and as far as price on shells goes I can buy a case of 28ga for $50-$55 locally.
Link Posted: 10/12/2002 10:14:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DamnYankee:
I kill a hell of a lot of birds every year with the 28ga so the statement about good for skeet only just doesn't hold water with me and as far as price on shells goes I can buy a case of 28ga for $50-$55 locally.




sorry, i ment no disrespect to the 28 guage. i guess i was thinking regionally. where i live thier are no game birds smaller than phesant, so i didnt really think about dove or quail.


i should specify, dove and quail do exist here, but quail are VERY rare, and dove is not legal to shoot.
Link Posted: 10/13/2002 10:33:22 AM EDT
No problem, actually the bulk of my birds with the 28ga are crows then doves. A friend of mine I know uses the 28ga sometimes for pheasant,guys laughed when he pulled it out of the case, they shut up when he got his limit of birds.
Link Posted: 10/13/2002 10:53:23 AM EDT
Hmmmmm...... mini slugs?
Link Posted: 10/13/2002 11:31:40 AM EDT
Let me address a few things:

1) I'm going to assume you meant AR action

2) The 28 gauge is a great round (I plan to buy one too!), it is very useful on some birds and is great for clays.

3) NOW, someone mentioned the gas system...
That wouldn't be a problem as it would most likely use a completely different upper.

If it uses the AR's Ljungman type gas system, it could be tuned for the 28gauge or .410.

If it uses a piston and operating rod, it could still be tuned to work with the 28gauge or .410

Just keep in mind i'm talking in terms of a new upper not rebarreling an existing upper...that *may* be a possiblity as well.
Link Posted: 10/14/2002 7:35:11 AM EDT
Any other ideas, anyone?
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