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Posted: 7/28/2010 7:25:05 PM EDT
Thought I would share the results of my load testing for one of my service rifles. The one I used for this testing is a CLE service rifle with a SS Douglas barrel having a 1/8" twist. The rear sight is one of Frank's 1/4 MOA with a .036" insert. All testing was done on the same day at 100 yards, shooting prone with a sling. Slight to medium wind blowing from left to right.
For each test load I shot 3 strings of 5 rounds, switching magazines between each string. I let the rifle cool some after I finished shooting one group of 3 strings.  All loads used various weights of Reloader-15 sitting under a 69gr. SMK. bullet using WCC brass and CCI BR4 primers. COAL was 2.250". Each charge was dropped into a scale pan and then weighed.  For the most part, the ES stayed below 50 with a couple at or below 20.



































































































































































































































































































































































































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Four273927562724
Five273927212719




High274927562728
Low267527132713
ES744315
Mean272827362728
SD303020




24.1grString 1String 2String 3
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Four278527752774
Five278527902795




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Low273527692762
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Mean277027822779
SD251014




24.4grString 1String 2String 3
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Two281328332834
Three280728182865
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Five281828232844




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24.7grString 1String 2String 3
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Three285228642871
Four285728662858
Five285828802850




High290528802871
Low285228532833
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25.3grString 1String 2String 3
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Two290929142932
Three291129252915
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High292829282932
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SD17818

Some pictures of the targets with load data written on them:





More testing coming up!

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Link Posted: 7/28/2010 8:04:48 PM EDT
[#1]
I was runing 24.5 of RL15 in pmc brass, cci 400 and 69 SMK. good stuff right there. GOOD groups man!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 7/28/2010 8:15:04 PM EDT
[#2]
Looks like the 24.1 group is the best but I would like to see even that 15 round group shrink by allot before deciding on a load.

Good work though.

Are you using a crimp of any kind? if so i would load the next one without a crimp.

Are you deburring the flash holes and what sizing die are you using?
Link Posted: 7/28/2010 8:25:59 PM EDT
[#3]
Those look like eight pounders.You will be our expert by the time those are done.
Link Posted: 7/29/2010 2:55:42 AM EDT
[#4]



Quoted:


Looks like the 24.1 group is the best but I would like to see even that 15 round group shrink by allot before deciding on a load.



Good work though.



Are you using a crimp of any kind? if so i would load the next one without a crimp.



Are you deburring the flash holes and what sizing die are you using?


All rounds were loaded using an RCBS Rock Chucker with RCBS .223 Competition FL dies.  For this testing I setup the die for no crimp as I wasn't worried about set back.  The cases were trimmed to length, the case mouth neck chamfered and the flash hole deburred.



I'm thinking the same about the 24.1gr load - looks to be the most accurate for the tested rifle, I just need to work on shrinking the group size down some.





 
Link Posted: 7/29/2010 3:00:47 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:



Those look like eight pounders.You will be our expert by the time those are done.


Actually, each container is five pounds.  I try to buy in bulk when I mail order powder to save on the handling and hazmat fees.  But it should be enough for me to at least get an idea of what load works





 
Link Posted: 7/29/2010 4:37:21 AM EDT
[#6]
ADJUSTING COL SOMETIMES HELPS. THATS ONE MORE VARIABLE TO PLAY WITH.
Link Posted: 7/29/2010 5:47:42 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Looks like the 24.1 group is the best but I would like to see even that 15 round group shrink by allot before deciding on a load.

Good work though.

Are you using a crimp of any kind? if so i would load the next one without a crimp.

Are you deburring the flash holes and what sizing die are you using?

All rounds were loaded using an RCBS Rock Chucker with RCBS .223 Competition FL dies.  For this testing I setup the die for no crimp as I wasn't worried about set back.  The cases were trimmed to length, the case mouth neck chamfered and the flash hole deburred.

I'm thinking the same about the 24.1gr load - looks to be the most accurate for the tested rifle, I just need to work on shrinking the group size down some.

 


Try 24gr's even at 2.260" COl and see if that tightens things up a little for you.

Good luck,
EWP
Link Posted: 7/30/2010 8:01:15 PM EDT
[#8]
Link Posted: 7/31/2010 3:17:17 AM EDT
[#9]
Link Posted: 7/31/2010 2:36:53 PM EDT
[#10]



Quoted:


Try 25.0 grains with the Sierra 69 grain bullet.



I'm a little surprised at the vertical stringing with 25.3 grains.  Maybe try shooting a series again starting with a maximum load, then working down so you're shooting when you're not tired.  25.3 grains should be showing some pretty high pressure signs, too.





Aero,



I was very surprised by the results as well.  After seeing the first two groups, I thought the heavier loads would really put a smile on my face.  And you are right, my eyes (and elbow) were getting tired by the time I started the 25.3 group.  What really surprised me the most was the velocity of the last group.  Based on my 5th edition Sierra reloading guide, I was trying to duplicate their 25.3 load.  The chart shows 2750, so I was thinking I would land somewhere between 2750 and 2800.  I was really surprised to see almost every shot above 2900.  Now I'm glad I stayed away from the 25.7 max load (which shows 2800 fps in the chart).



I'll start out next time at 25.0 grains and work down to 24.0.
 
Link Posted: 7/31/2010 3:10:49 PM EDT
[#11]
I did a similar thing with the 52 grain SMK in my M&P-15 VTEC 1:7 and found that the sweet spot was 24.0 grains.  Gone as high as 27 grains but was getting flat primers with my CCI400s.
Link Posted: 7/31/2010 4:29:35 PM EDT
[#12]
I just loaded some Nosler 69gn CC with RE15 and CCI400 primers, working up a new load.  

I hope to make it to the range tomorrow to see how these loads worked out.


loaded 10 of each...

24.4gn
24.7gn
25.0gn

2.255 OAL

Hope to post results tomorrow.
Link Posted: 7/31/2010 5:15:51 PM EDT
[#13]



Quoted:


I just loaded some Nosler 69gn CC with RE15 and CCI400 primers, working up a new load.  



I hope to make it to the range tomorrow to see how these loads worked out.





loaded 10 of each...



24.4gn

24.7gn

25.0gn



2.255 OAL



Hope to post results tomorrow.


Great - I would like to compare results, especially the 25.0gn





 
Link Posted: 7/31/2010 5:25:12 PM EDT
[#14]
I dont have a crono, but Ill post up the groupings....

maybe santa will be good to me this year!
Link Posted: 8/4/2010 11:10:11 AM EDT
[#15]
well I made it to the range today and was a bit disappointed in the loads I worked up.  

I loaded

Re15 with Nosler 69gn CC with CCI400 primers, all PMC brass.

25.0 - 24.7 - 24.4

Out of the 3 loaded the 24.7 was the best but still out of sub MOA range.  Alliant does show max being 25.5, I might work up closer to max to see if anything changes for the better.  

I was going to take pictures but after I shot my rounds I had a lady next to me claim my target as hers and trashed the photo opportunity.  Ill be out again.  

So far out of my rifle and with the 69gn Noslers, H335 powder has been the best for me.
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