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Posted: 3/5/2007 7:47:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/5/2007 7:50:08 PM EDT by triggerfinger]
New digital "supervision" claims to beat G3 nightvision in all aspects.

Looks like a guy needs to invest in stocks? Price for handheld about half of a PVS-14.

NRA is even endorsing this product...so...why no screen-shots?

Anybody seen anything on this? xenonics supervision
Link Posted: 3/5/2007 8:06:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/5/2007 8:07:00 PM EDT by Skammy]
They really need to put up some pictures..
Link Posted: 3/5/2007 8:09:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/5/2007 8:11:23 PM EDT by vincep]

Originally Posted By triggerfinger:
New digital "supervision" claims to beat G3 nightvision in all aspects.
xenonics supervision

Victor and Pete, what do you guys think about this?
Link Posted: 3/5/2007 8:23:41 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/6/2007 10:08:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/13/2007 2:05:05 PM EDT by IPSC_GUY]
Ok with an image intensifier you are getting an amplified image. That means that you are actually seeing into darkness and making it brighter PASSIVELY. That is the important part.

With a super sensitive CCD all you are doing is picking up available light and running it through to a view screen. You might have something in there to get you a white balance to even out the range of the image. The "bloom" from existing lights will be WAY worse than any NVD. That you would have to deal with using some sort of the Software. Also I am betting to get a decent image your going to need some sort of active light source...

Without ever having seen one I am sceptical to say the least.

Link Posted: 3/6/2007 11:20:49 AM EDT
An NRA endorsement is worth way less than an endorsement from someone, no, Anyone on this forum, imo.
NRA will endorse about anything that will pay them enough in ad $or 'donations'.
Champ(NRA Life member)
Link Posted: 3/6/2007 2:41:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/6/2007 7:14:01 PM EDT
These guys stock went skyrocketing up in value last Nov. In fact it was at a low of $1.27 then in about two whole weeks it shot up to $4.05 a share then fell off again.

Seems fishy to me. I doubt that these guys have discovered the holy grail of night vision. I believe the Army Night Vision lab has been trying this technology for the better part of 10 years and has not come up with anything better than image intensfiers.

Link Posted: 3/8/2007 9:46:25 PM EDT
Sounds to me like someone learned a few image processing technique and went to production with it. I'm always hesitent about someone not disclosing their technology up front. It's not even Low-Light TV. 4X zoom on top of 2X optical zoom? My photoshop does the same thing...it's called Bi-Linear Interpolation - makes the image looks like shit before you can even say its name.

What's their other product? Oh, deer search light.

They don't even list any specs, not even the spectrum. Believe me, there are good reasons why the military strive for NVD, SW, MW LW FLIR. There are advantages that we can't see, those beyond the obvious.
Link Posted: 3/9/2007 5:20:11 PM EDT
Saw thier ad in shotgun news tonight, got the latest one in the mail, they have a full page ad, on the last page of the latest SGN,

I would like to see a pic of the image,

in the ad, they went on and on about urban lighting, so it might work out in a urban environment, but I do have my doubts out in the boonies on nights you just about cant see your hand in your face,

also, seems they would have a head mount for it too,

Im sure we will get this figured out shortly, of something that works, or file 13 stuff
Link Posted: 3/9/2007 6:27:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/16/2007 4:11:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Victor:

I contacted these folks this week since they are very close to my office...I was told from customer service they are presently gearing up for "Store-Front" sales. When I inquired about a getting a unit to test and demo they stated they would call me back. A day later (yesterday) I received an email informing me that there were no units available for test or demo, but a sales rep would be in contact with me in approx. one week.....More to come.

It's been about a week Victor, did they ever get back to you??? I don't have a lot of hope there's something special here, but you never know
Link Posted: 3/16/2007 5:29:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/17/2007 12:49:52 PM EDT

Do they make such a thing as a 110V hand/pocket/solar generator? Seems xenonics might want to come up with additional power source options if this device is going to be of any use when there aren't 110AC sources handy. Maybe I am missing something here?

""SuperVision is powered by a lithium-ion rechargeable battery (110V charger included) and comes with a hand strap. ""

Other than that it sounds pretty cool.
Link Posted: 3/17/2007 1:24:01 PM EDT
I will wait till someone with some time on goggles looks through one of these things but I doubt this is ANY improvment on gen 3 image intensifiers. It stand to reason that if they had something truly knock your socks off, they would be showing side by side photos against the industry standard.

Nice photoshopped pic of the fox here...


Link Posted: 3/18/2007 8:34:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/18/2007 8:36:11 AM EDT by XCQTR]
After reading their long BS and blabberring, I've come to the conclusion that this thing is simply typical B&W CCD type camera. They probably up the integration time on the sensor, so it's more sensitive at night.....in other word, think of it as a longer shutter opening time in a traditional camera....so up the integration time and send out the frame.

If it's as good as it says, I would imagine I would've heard about it from SPIE or other sources. I know a lot of people in Electro-optics (EO) industry and believe me, we don't spend $$$ for Low-Light TV or other types of sensor for nothing. I doubt they'll have balls to come to Defense and Security Symposium.

Like I said, I'm skeptical about the subjective evaluations and non-disclosure of technology they wrote up....with bunch of pure talk-around bullshit.
Link Posted: 4/3/2007 1:35:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/3/2007 2:48:44 PM EDT
I doubt that that thing is EBCCD. It'll cost more than that......I said already of what I though of it.
Link Posted: 4/3/2007 4:23:05 PM EDT
Well I'll hoist the BS flag on it too. I've look through other digital viewers and I wasn't impressed. They were at least distortion free, but the gain sucked without the IR on. Perhaps they fixed it somehow, but I can't for the life of me think how one would do it.
Link Posted: 4/3/2007 5:36:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By XCQTR:
I doubt that that thing is EBCCD. It'll cost more than that......I said already of what I though of it.

Don't EBCCDs still use a photcathode in some form of a vacum tube? As I understand the technology (and please correct me if I am wrong) EBCCD is really an image intensifier that has a CCD at the back of it rather than a phosphor screen?

If so I would bet the farm on it that these guys are not using that.

Link Posted: 4/6/2007 4:30:41 AM EDT
$1,400 for Gen III type performance. I'm from Missouri (Florida actually).....show me.

They don't appear to be shipping, even though their website said March 07 availability. They've also got some press releases about the NRA deal and a deal with Kaltron as a reseller valued at 1.5Million in orders.

Old School Tag for outcome and reviews.
Link Posted: 4/23/2007 6:26:00 AM EDT
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