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11/22/2017 10:05:29 PM
Posted: 8/22/2004 4:27:07 PM EST
I received my Personal Firearms and Collector Record Book and was wondering if most people start documenting their C&R and non-C&R items (some non-C&R items were purchased many years ago) in these two books just for the sake of keeping track, or do most people just start documenting items from the time they get their license.

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:29:08 PM EST
YUP, I document all purchases and sales that day.......



Link Posted: 8/23/2004 9:01:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By JThompson:
I received my Personal Firearms and Collector Record Book and was wondering if most people start documenting their C&R and non-C&R items (some non-C&R items were purchased many years ago) in these two books just for the sake of keeping track, or do most people just start documenting items from the time they get their license.




Bound book for C&R and i use microsoft Excel spreadsheet for all non C&R purchases. value, date, serial number. back it up in a second place just for safekeeping.

Link Posted: 8/23/2004 4:37:55 PM EST
What do you do when you can't find paperwork for an item?
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 5:42:37 PM EST
You only have to log C&R guns into a log book, and only the ones you bought or sold on your license...

The ones you had allready do not need to be logged in, only out if you sell it.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:24:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By coltshorty14:
You only have to log C&R guns into a log book, and only the ones you bought or sold on your license...

The ones you had allready do not need to be logged in, only out if you sell it.



Yup, that's right. I have a lot of guns pre-C&R that aren't going into the book, and hopefully never out of it either.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 3:45:39 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 5:36:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By Chuck:

Firearms acquire when you weren't a C&R FFL holder don't have to be documented in any way and there is no reason do to so. None.

-- Chuck



Just wondering....

Are there any disadvantages to logging all items in the book?
If AFT asks to review the books, would having ALL items listed sort of show them too much????
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 12:36:53 AM EST
I've got everything in mine, but the C&R's are annotated different. Also have everything on excel on disk.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 10:31:17 PM EST
Chuck's right. ALL C&R eligible firearms you have must be entered into the book. The reason is you could sell it interstate to another C&R holder.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 4:32:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By RDak:
Chuck's right. ALL C&R eligible firearms you have must be entered into the book. The reason is you could sell it interstate to another C&R holder.



Not quite! You do not have to log any C&R firearms acquired prior to being licensed unless you dispose of them while licensed. At that time you have to enter them into your "bound book" and document the disposition.

Also, there is no requirement to maintain a personal firearms record for non-C&R firearms. The personal firearms record that the BATF puts out is not a substitute for an acquisition and disposition record ("bound book"). It is only an aid to keep track of your personal firearms and is voluntary.
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 5:33:03 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 8:55:04 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/6/2004 4:39:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By Chuck:
Why create a paper trail of your personal weapons not acquired with a C&R FFL? You're under no duty to do so whatsoever.

I'm not worried about BATFE. I'm worried about my wife!

-- Chuck



Because the law says that you must for all C&R firearms that you obtain while licensed, no matter how they were acquired. BATF put out a letter to that effect in, I think, December 2000. Also, the regulation is very clear on that point, although some people keep trying to argue the point.

There is no requirement to document any personal firearms that are not C&R.
Link Posted: 9/6/2004 12:53:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/6/2004 12:54:20 PM EST by tommc8]
This is from another board I am a member of hope this helps

Tom


Department of the Treasury
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
F: PD: FB: FT: nvc
AUG 10 1998

(inside address redacted)

Dear Mr. (redacted):

This is in response to your letter dated July 20, 1998, to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. In your letter, you have inquired whether it is necessary to record the transfer of a curio or relic firearm in your acquisition and disposition records.

Please be advised that, in accordance with 27 CFR 178.125 (g), a licensed collector shall enter into a record each receipt and disposition of firearms curios or relics. Therefore, regardless of whether the curio or relic firearm was obtained using your collector's license, the acquisition must be entered into your records upon receipt. Accordingly, if you, as a licensed collector, dispose of a curio or relic firearm, the disposition also must be entered into your record book regardless of when it was obtained.

We trust the foregoing has been responsive to your request. Should you require additional information or have any questions, please contact us.

Sincerely yours,
(initialed) KRD
for Christopher M. Cuyler
Chief, Firearms Programs Division
Link Posted: 9/6/2004 2:56:33 PM EST
what is the issue, you don't have to return your book when you drop your C&R... if you are worried about the "black helicopers" then return your license and trash your book. Simple as that....

FMO
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 5:26:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2004 3:08:30 PM EST by Hmanjr]
Me too. Record every one in the bound book as soon as I can after recieving it. I also use the NM Gun collecting software (purchased from AIM) to keep photos and other notes.

Edited to add: Only C&R guns purchased after being lincesed go into the bound book, but all others (Prior to license and after) go into the NM software. Forgot that what I'm thinking but not typing doesn't get published.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 2:27:54 PM EST
If, during the period you are a C&R License holder, you acquire a C&R eligible firearm (whether or not it was acquired with your C&R it must be logged.

C&R firearms that were already in your posession when you acquired your C&R FFL need not be logged.

Non-C&R firearms need not be logged and I personally do not log them. As stated above, I feel no need to create additional paper trails beyond what is legally required.

Link Posted: 9/9/2004 3:03:41 AM EST

Accordingly, if you, as a licensed collector, dispose of a curio or relic firearm, the disposition also must be entered into your record book regardless of when it was obtained.



Please note, if you owned a C&R firearm prior to recieving your license it does not have to be logger. If on the other hand you sold the the same rifle it has to be logged as a disposition "regardless of when it was obtained".

Just thought I would add mt 2 cents worth.

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