Have you heard a suppressed .45 ACP pistol?  You might not be that impressed.

You would think a .45 ACP, since it is already subsonic, would be easy to suppress.  But it actually is not the case.  You'll get a lot more "giggle" factor with the Evo-9 on a G17 or G19 using 147-grain ammo.  It is very close to "Hollywood quiet".

With the Evo-9 you could then purchase the fixed barrel adapter AAC sells separately and use it on the Storm (after getting the barrel threaded; and I'm not familiar with the process for the Storm).

You'll need a threaded barrel for the Glock.  I use a KKM, but Jarvis also sells them.  Expect to pay a little over $200 for a good Jarvis or KKM barrel.

However, I think a suppressed .22lr is about as much fun as you can have and it doesn't get any cheaper to shoot all day.  One thing to keep in mind regarding the .22lr ammo, most subsonic rounds are exposed lead.  It is better to use plated bullets so they don't deposit as much lead in the can.  Lead WILL build up in the can.

I use an AAC Pilot on a Marvel upper.  I started out with a P22 and let's just say I'm not impressed.  The P22 is going back to Walther for fixes.  When it comes back it is getting sold.  ANd yes, it is a newer model with the updates and I'm using the "A" revision mags.  I've got a friend with a P22 that is great, two other friends have P22s and they (the guns, not the friends) are complete crap.  I think it is hit or miss with these pistols.  The Marvel is a more elegant, more accurate setup, IMHO.

Just so people know where I'm coming from, I am a class III dealer and sell Gemtech, AAC and other suppressors.  However, the AAC cans are the only ones I stock because I think they offer the highest quality of the cans I've personally tested.  For the .22 cans I like the AAC Pilot the best and the Gemtech Outback II a close second.  For the 9mm can I feel the Evo-9 has nothing close to it.  It is an incredible can.  I've tried different .45 ACP cans and decided they just weren't for me, YMMV.  You really don't get great suppression (IMHO) with any .45 can unless you add a little water to the can.  Running them wet is the best way to go.

I only mention about me being a seller because I don't want to be accused of shilling for a company for any gain on my part.  For that matter, you aren't even in my state (GA) and should be dealing with a dealer in MD.  Whatever can you decide on, try to get a demo of one before you buy.  Everyone hears a little differently.

I wish you much luck with your little silencer project.  After trying your first quality can you'll soon want to suppress everything in your safe.  

Regards,

Mark

I honestly don’t know much about the .17 caliber stuff, so I’m not much help there.  I do know AAC has a rifle can specifically for the .17 though.  I think it would be way too heavy for a pistol.

The Marvel kits we got were a special run with extended, threaded barrels.  They are VERY high quality.  First day using it we were jumping around empty shotgun shells at 35-yards with ease.  The do not come with a thread protector though, if that bothers you.  However, those can be bought from other sources cheap enough.

I’d have to ask my partner, but I think we were selling the Marvel uppers for something like $380 or $385 with a spare 10-round mag. And this isn’t too much over dealer cost we paid, believe me.  We bought them to be a better demo platform.  I could try taking some pictures later tonight if that would help you.  I’ll also try to find out about the .17 through a Pilot.  I think with the high speed of the .17 that it wouldn’t be very impressive, but I may be wrong.

Let me know how I can help.

Yes, it is.  Right out of the box it went on a Kimber Custom II frame with no problems.  IT has adjustable sights that will easily see over an AAC Pilot or Gemtech Outback II.  The kit comes with one 10-round magazine.  The price I mentioned included a second magazine, which is optional.

Interesting thing about the Marvel kits, they recommend you do NOT use Federal ammo.  The caution against it because the Federal ammo has caused problems with the Marvel uppers.  

One other thing that may or may not matter to you, Marvel ditched the "last round hold open" feature.  They did this because the upper is aluminum and the slide stop could easily start ripping into the upper.  Make sense?  At first I wasn't too thrilled about that, but now I see this as no big deal.

The upper is very light.  One of my business partners (zzxx99 on this site) is going to make me a dedicated aluminum 1911 lower.  Should make the entire package very light weight.

What, a 5" 1911 isn't a carry model?  

Just kidding.  I have no idea if they plan to make a shorter version.

Another very cool platform are the uppers available for Buckmark and Mark II pistols from Tactical Solutions.  chainshaw on this site has one for his Buckmark.  We tried my Pilot on it and it was VERY nice.

Oh, wait, now that I think about it there is a company that makes .22 conversions for Glocks.  Muddy on this site recently ordered one for a G19.  I'll ask him for more info on that.  I wonder if they have a conversion for a G17 as well.

I found the link muddy had originally sent me.  Here it is www.advantagearms.com.

That's the link for the Glock kits.  They do have one for a G17.  Muddy, I believe, ordered a kit.  I'll talk to him later about it.

gunnut284, are those kits available with a threaded, extended barrel?  I e-mails muddy to ask but haven't found out yet.

Thanks.

I heard back from muddy regarding the Advantage Arms kits.  Here is part of what he sent me:

"Mark at TROS will thread them for $145. I wouldn't mind sending in a couple and trying to get him to cut a better deal on it."

So, that answers the questions about the AA kits and threaded barrels.  I made the comment to muddy about having the kit threaded by Mark at TROS.  Now, I've done business with Mark at TROS and he is VERY good.  However, I still am not sure I like the idea of sending a conversion kit to him uless I first ran the kit for awhile on my Glock just to make sure things are cool.  That way if the kit has a problem I'm not stuck in the middle of AA and TROS pointing fingers at eachother.  Just a thought.

Sorry to kind of throw the AA kits out there as an idea without having thought through it all first.  I was kind of thinking they came with threaded barrels until I checked that link I put in my other post.  But if you really like the idea of a caliber conversion for the G17 and then running that with a can, I think the AA/TROS setup would be very nice.

Sorry, I was still typing my other post when you posted yours.  


The frame is what is serial numbered on a Glock, right?  So, the AA kits would not have to go through an FFL.  If you are seriously interested in one, Marty (mudy) is a good friend of mine and is a dealer as well.  He could probably get you a good deal on an AA kit.  If interested, just IM him though ARFCOM.  

Not sure why everyone is still doing 10-round mags.  Bugs me too.  

We've shot an Evo-9 on a full-auto MP5-PDW using the Evo's fixed/barrel adapter.  The MP5's barrel is threaded and has the three-lugs.  We removed the Evo and threw a Striker II on it.  The Striker II was a little more quiet, but the Evo-9 was still impressive.  This was with 147-grain ammo.  Both cans were, of course, dry.

Quoted: Quoted: Advantage Arms makes conversions for the Glock that work well. I would think the Glock 17 would be the one to suppress of what you listed.   I agree.  My brother has a Glock 17 and the AA .22lr conversion with a Gemtech can.  The Glock 17 with the conversion kit installed is extremely light.  That way, he has two weapons in one.   I'm in the process of transferring the can into my name.    I'd like to get the AA conversion if he'll let loose of it.   _______________________   img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/Colt_SBR/57985sm.gif

How did he go about getting the barrel threaded?

Thanks in advance.

Quoted: Quoted: Ok... here's another question: I keep forgetting this but if I understand it right, if I buy a 9mm suppressor I pay the one time tax stamp, but I can put it on any 9mm I have that will accept it, correct? So if I get the 9mm suppressor I can put it on either my Glock OR my Cx4? Correct.

Just to add one more thing, some suppressors may require an adapter to swap between the Glock barrel and a fixed-barrel weapon like the Cx4.  For example, the AAC Evolution-9 can be used on the Cx4 carbine by swapping the piston assembly for their optional fixed-barrel adapter.

Quoted: Quoted: in the browning design (glock) the barrel tilts where as the beretta's barrel stays more or less stationary.  the weight of the can can affect the barrel tilting each time it is fired interupting the cycling of the gun and causing failures such as ftf's.  the booster in some way conteracts the weight of the can enabling the pistol to cycle. So does the adapter for the Glock stay on the barrel if you remove the suppressor? If you were doing a quick swap between the pistol and carbine would you be able to just unscrew the suppressor and put it right on the carbine or is the adapter attached to the suppressor itself?

In the case of my Evo-9, the adapter is installed in the back of the can.  The can comes with the tool needed to disassemble the back of the can to remove the piston "adapter" from Browning style pistols.  Replace that adapter for the AAC fixed-barrel adapter and then screw the can on your fixed-barrel host weapon.  Make sense?  The adapter is part of the can, not something that attaches separately to the weapon.