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Posted: 7/31/2014 12:12:07 AM EDT
Curious, which American parts the Tavor uses. The bbl is clearly marked "made in israel" and the owner's manual refers to 922(r) compliance, anybody know for sure what's made where?
Link Posted: 7/31/2014 2:54:39 AM EDT
A couple of screws.
Link Posted: 7/31/2014 4:32:50 AM EDT
All of the major parts (barrel, bolt, receiver) are made in Israel. Magazine, flash hider, trigger, hammer, sear, and piston are the US made compliance parts.
Link Posted: 7/31/2014 10:24:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By spermgewehr44:
Curious, which American parts the Tavor uses. The bbl is clearly marked "made in israel" and the owner's manual refers to 922(r) compliance, anybody know for sure what's made where?
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We can't use foreign made mags
Link Posted: 7/31/2014 11:10:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mak0:
All of the major parts (barrel, bolt, receiver) are made in Israel. Magazine, flash hider, trigger, hammer, sear, and piston are the US made compliance parts.
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There
Link Posted: 7/31/2014 1:53:53 PM EDT
Although the mag happens to be US made, I don't see anywhere that it's required to be for 922r compliance. The card that comes with the manual specifically mentions that the flash hider, trigger, hammer, piston,and sear are US made and if you replace them with non-US parts, you may violate 922r. It says nothing about the magazine. Given that they are one of the few manufacturers to go into detail about non-US parts, it sees that if the gun requires a US mag, they would have said so. Besides, there are already 5 compliance parts on the gun. Seems difficult to imagine that it would require 3 more from the mag.
Link Posted: 7/31/2014 4:07:26 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/31/2014 4:09:01 PM EDT
IMHO, with the amount of quality US mags available that are by and large better than anything you'd find overseas, why would you use a non US mag anyway?
Link Posted: 7/31/2014 5:22:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chuck:
Of course you can use foreign magazines. Who will know or care? Who cares about 992(r) anyway other than manufacturers and gun store/website commandos? Please site case law with any rebuttals.

-- Chuck
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Dunno the case law, but the last/only intelligent ATF agent I've ever run into at work was surprised that I knew about the regulation, and quickly rattled off three cases, one of which was pending at the time (6 months ago) about a guy with a 100% Russian AK with zero compliance parts. He said that it is rarely the motivating factor for prosecution, but if it's an issue it WILL be used to bury someone.

He didn't seem happy about that case, and said they tried to give the guy several ways by which to make it right, but that the guy decided that being a hardass in front of his buddies outweighed being sent to PMITA prison. The agent was bitching about the paperwork involved, but that the AUSA pushed for it.
Link Posted: 7/31/2014 5:39:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chuck:
Of course you can use foreign magazines. Who will know or care? Who cares about 992(r) anyway other than manufacturers and gun store/website commandos? Please site case law with any rebuttals.

-- Chuck
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Link Posted: 7/31/2014 5:44:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CopM4:
Originally Posted By Chuck:
Of course you can use foreign magazines. Who will know or care? Who cares about 992(r) anyway other than manufacturers and gun store/website commandos? Please site case law with any rebuttals.

-- Chuck



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Link Posted: 7/31/2014 5:48:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/31/2014 5:50:46 PM EDT by brich2929]
Not sure if this video gives much insight to your specific question but Tim Harmsen from Military Arms Channel just visited IWI in Harrisburg and went on a tour.

ETA: future shipments of Tavors will be with Windowed Pmags instead of the IWI branded ones


Link Posted: 7/31/2014 6:24:53 PM EDT
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Good news in that! Webstore should be up next week. That's a lot narrower a timeline than "coming soon." Spare parts will be great.
Link Posted: 8/1/2014 4:13:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By willi3d:
Although the mag happens to be US made, I don't see anywhere that it's required to be for 922r compliance. The card that comes with the manual specifically mentions that the flash hider, trigger, hammer, piston,and sear are US made and if you replace them with non-US parts, you may violate 922r. It says nothing about the magazine. Given that they are one of the few manufacturers to go into detail about non-US parts, it sees that if the gun requires a US mag, they would have said so. Besides, there are already 5 compliance parts on the gun. Seems difficult to imagine that it would require 3 more from the mag.
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Michael Kassnar himself (VP of IWI US) verified that a US mag is needed for 922r compliance. See here: https://bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=2518.msg20573#msg20573
Link Posted: 8/1/2014 4:37:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MuRDoC:
We can't use foreign made mags
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Originally Posted By spermgewehr44:
Curious, which American parts the Tavor uses. The bbl is clearly marked "made in israel" and the owner's manual refers to 922(r) compliance, anybody know for sure what's made where?
We can't use foreign made mags


If you add a US made for forearm and trigger pack you should theoretically be in the clear.




Link Posted: 8/1/2014 6:55:03 AM EDT
Are people really this worried about 922r? Lol. I can see a manufacturer worrying, but I hope people aren't really worried about if they put a foreign made magazine into their gun...
Link Posted: 8/1/2014 12:26:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Master_Shake_TX:
Are people really this worried about 922r? Lol. I can see a manufacturer worrying, but I hope people aren't really worried about if they put a foreign made magazine into their gun...
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No, not really. I was just thinking about it and curious. With AKs I like to know whats american made... so I can ditch it ASAP.
Link Posted: 8/12/2014 7:50:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By brich2929:
Not sure if this video gives much insight to your specific question but Tim Harmsen from Military Arms Channel just visited IWI in Harrisburg and went on a tour.

ETA: future shipments of Tavors will be with Windowed Pmags instead of the IWI branded ones

http://youtu.be/qTxLNElj_wo
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Thanks for sharing the video. IWI US looks outstanding and I wish them well. Extra bonus that they are shipping with Pmags now. I bought my Tavor back in March and I love it. Can't wait to get some spare parts and swag.
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