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Link Posted: 5/13/2009 11:38:49 AM EDT

From Sinclair http://blog.sinclairintl.com/2009/05/12/primer-availability-2/






Primer Availability





We have
had a lot of concerned customers calling to ask about primer
availability. Actually, our lines have been flooded with calls
regarding the availability of primers as well as the availability of
other components. The easiest and quickest way to check on availability
is through our new website, whether you plan on phoning an order in,
ordering off the web, or using some other means. The following is our
view on the current primer situation. Basically, there has been a
two-pronged drain on primer supplies for the reloading market.



The first driving force has been the huge demand for loaded
ammunition through 2008 and continuing into 2009. The large primer
manufacturers like ATK (which would include Federal and CCI),
Winchester, and Remington are directing the majority of their primers
into loaded ammunition. Ammunition sales are going through the roof as
individuals stock up because of political concerns. The huge consumer
demand for ammo is in addition to the demand from law enforcement
agencies and our military to re-supply their own inventories. I know
that smaller ammunition manufacturers have been impacted drastically by
the primer shortage since their demands are higher than normal for
primers that they have to obtain through Federal, CCI, Winchester,
Remington, etc. Many of these smaller manufacturers have had to go to
other sources to get quality primers. Because of this situation, some
of them cannot keep up with their own ammunition production.
Unfortunately, these smaller ammo makers can’t control their own
destiny since they don’t have the capacity or tooling to make primers.



I mentioned that there were two factors impacting primer
availability; the first factor is creating the second one. Since ammo
demand has consumed more of the primer supply than normal, the quantity
of primers on the shelf has declined at the box stores, the reloading
companies (like Sinclair), and the smaller gun shops. With the fast
communication via the internet, the word spreads quickly and the result
has been consumers stockpiling and hoarding primers. Individuals are
buying and keeping more primers in their own personal inventories and
this has prevented some reloaders from having any primers at all. We
normally see people buying 1,000 or maybe 5,000 primers at a time, now
we are seeing customers buying 25,000 at a time.



The manufacturers are trying to react as best as they can, but their
primary driving force is to keep a steady supply of primers going to
the ammunition plants because they generate more revenue through this
output than they do through the reloading market. A guy from CCI called
the other day to order some items from us for his own reloading, and he
reported that CCI has been running 24/7 and is still falling behind.
They are adding two machines to their line to increase production (I
don’t know what percentage gain this will give them). Federal told us a
couple of weeks ago to not be surprised if we don’t see many primers
from them until the end of 2009.




This is what we know as of today. Our current situation at Sinclair
is that we are out of primers but are expecting some Wolf primers of
all types sometime in June.
We get a few Winchester primers every once
and awhile but it might only be 30K to 50K at a time.



Eventually everyone will have enough stockpiled, manufacturers
should catch up with ammo runs, and the supply on the shelves will
hopefully return. This happened in throughout 1994, just not to this
scale.

Link Posted: 5/13/2009 12:37:02 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/13/2009 1:08:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/13/2009 1:29:46 PM EDT by jt526]
Small Pistol Federal Match show up in stock on line at Graf's as of 1:10 EST 5/13/2009

And out of stock at 1:30pm EST
Link Posted: 5/13/2009 6:02:56 PM EDT
Moe Hardware Hank in Black River Falls Wi. got in 45,000 Federal small pistol primers and expect another 45,000 in the next few days. They probably won't ship but if you live close enough to drive they got some for you.
Smokem1
Link Posted: 5/13/2009 8:16:01 PM EDT
where can i find any bulk .45 ACP rounds for reloading.

I would prefer something cheap and mid quality like the rounds im using now:

Ranier LeadSafe 200-230 gr. RN or SWC.

Any help?

Im also looking for large rifle primers but i know those arent even worth asking about right now....
Link Posted: 5/13/2009 9:54:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By traveler130:
As of 08:40 ET this morning Midsouth Shooters had Varget 1Lb in stock.

reads "Low Stock"

Varget


8# kegs in stock now, LOW STOCK.

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00034VAR8
Link Posted: 5/13/2009 10:21:30 PM EDT
OK they suck! you need to have your ID on file before you can order powder. Ridiculous. Not like that's going to happen at 10pm.
Link Posted: 5/14/2009 4:18:40 PM EDT
Brunos has Federal LG Rifle primers $45!!!!
Link Posted: 5/14/2009 4:30:21 PM EDT
ouch 45$
thats 65 for one box + shipping

better than gun broker though.
Link Posted: 5/14/2009 4:39:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Silent_Knight:
Brunos has Federal LG Rifle primers $45!!!!



WOW!!!! That's nuts. Count me out. I will back order from Cabelas before I pay that kind of cash.  Thanks for the heads up though.
Link Posted: 5/14/2009 4:45:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mcg3686:
ouch 45$
thats 65 for one box + shipping

better than gun broker though.

Had to get on gun broker, look at the prices, and tell myself that I didn't get ripped off too badly today.
I just paid $40 for the last box of 1000 WSP primers at a local store.  
Link Posted: 5/14/2009 11:12:30 PM EDT
Have at it boys!

I got my 5k...

https://www.grafs.com/product/245643

Link Posted: 5/15/2009 1:57:11 PM EDT
I guess midway had some small pistol primers in today..
just got in my email box... says it arrived 4 hours ago... even though I check it every few min.
nothing in stock on midway.

bummer
Link Posted: 5/15/2009 2:00:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mcg3686:
I guess midway had some small pistol primers in today..
just got in my email box... says it arrived 4 hours ago... even though I check it every few min.
nothing in stock on midway.

bummer


Sometimes they don't update their site. Better to call in and ask.
Link Posted: 5/15/2009 2:48:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By retrodog:
Originally Posted By mcg3686:
I guess midway had some small pistol primers in today..
just got in my email box... says it arrived 4 hours ago... even though I check it every few min.
nothing in stock on midway.

bummer


Sometimes they don't update their site. Better to call in and ask.



I called sold out in 15 minutes.
Link Posted: 5/15/2009 3:11:01 PM EDT
somebody find me some good CHEAP bullets to reload .45 ACP.
Link Posted: 5/15/2009 3:29:20 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/15/2009 9:35:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mcg3686:
45 bullets cheap


That might be overdoing it on the "cheap" part.
Link Posted: 5/16/2009 9:55:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By retrodog:
Originally Posted By mcg3686:
45 bullets cheap


That might be overdoing it on the "cheap" part.


thanks for the link but i can buy stuff like that for a similar price in my home town.

Im actually looking for anything that is copper washed or copper plated. Im ok with cast lead, as long as its copper washed.
Link Posted: 5/16/2009 3:18:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hkusp9:
Originally Posted By retrodog:
Originally Posted By mcg3686:
45 bullets cheap


That might be overdoing it on the "cheap" part.


thanks for the link but i can buy stuff like that for a similar price in my home town.

Im actually looking for anything that is copper washed or copper plated. Im ok with cast lead, as long as its copper washed.


What about rainier or berrys. I use both of them for .45 and they work great. The trouble is finding them.
Link Posted: 5/18/2009 10:02:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/18/2009 10:03:03 AM EDT by Mark21]
Midsouth Shooters Supply has 8lb jugs of H335 in stock for now....

H335
Link Posted: 5/18/2009 5:08:53 PM EDT
Where can you get the cheapest once fired brass. I found a place 2 weeks ago that was $119 per 1000 for 223 and can't remember who it was.
Link Posted: 5/18/2009 5:35:23 PM EDT
Natchez has Varget 8# in stock as of 17:30 today.

Varget
Link Posted: 5/18/2009 6:41:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By traveler130:
Natchez has Varget 8# in stock as of 17:30 today.

Varget


Not any more
Link Posted: 5/18/2009 6:47:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By traveler130:
Natchez has Varget 8# in stock as of 17:30 today.

Varget


great...they are gone.  
Link Posted: 5/18/2009 7:32:27 PM EDT
That is something else, the way everything gets bought out immediately.
Link Posted: 5/18/2009 8:55:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/18/2009 10:14:42 PM EDT by excursion12]
Originally Posted By Going4Broke:
Where can you get the cheapest once fired brass. I found a place 2 weeks ago that was $119 per 1000 for 223 and can't remember who it was.


Scharch?

Wideners is cheaper but it is not processed at all.

Wideners
Link Posted: 5/18/2009 10:15:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By excursion12:
Originally Posted By Going4Broke:
Where can you get the cheapest once fired brass. I found a place 2 weeks ago that was $119 per 1000 for 223 and can't remember who it was.


Scharch?


Yep thats them. . . . .thanks much!
Link Posted: 5/19/2009 7:51:17 AM EDT
Looking for Hornady 30 cal 168 BTHP (30501) and Winchester 45 ACP brass. (WSC45AU)

Any leads would be appreciated. I have exhausted all my brick and mortar contacts as well.
Link Posted: 5/19/2009 10:13:21 AM EDT
couldn't find the hornaby,
but Dillion has the Sierra bullets in 168 hpbt matchking
Link Posted: 5/19/2009 1:22:13 PM EDT
Does anyone know where there might be any Hodgdon Clays Universal? I'm not holding my breath on any large pistol primers....
Link Posted: 5/19/2009 2:14:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rooster144:
Does anyone know where there might be any Hodgdon Clays Universal?



Only 3 left..

8lb Universal Clays
Link Posted: 5/19/2009 2:20:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2009 2:22:46 PM EDT by VooDoo3dfx]
Originally Posted By elvia:
couldn't find the hornaby,
but Dillion has the Sierra bullets in 168 hpbt matchking


Link?

ETA: If you mean dillion precision.. $35 is a lot.
Link Posted: 5/19/2009 11:12:34 PM EDT
H322 8 lbers at Natchez....http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=HDH3228&sr....Just noticed that they will charge $22.50/ 50lb order...is that new or I just never noticed.?..
Link Posted: 5/19/2009 11:20:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bfoosh06:
H322 8 lbers at Natchez....http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=HDH3228&sr....Just noticed that they will charge $22.50/ 50lb order...is that new or I just never noticed.?..


Pretty sure $22.50 is the standard Hazmat charge for primers and powders. I'm not sure if they have to ship primers separate from powder.

Link Posted: 5/19/2009 11:38:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Crazy556kiddie:
Originally Posted By bfoosh06:
H322 8 lbers at Natchez....http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=HDH3228&sr....Just noticed that they will charge $22.50/ 50lb order...is that new or I just never noticed.?..


Pretty sure $22.50 is the standard Hazmat charge for primers and powders. I'm not sure if they have to ship primers separate from powder.



Sorry, what I was trying to say was..if  you order over 50lb, a new $22.50 will be charged....and come to think of it... I think this has been covered.

Link Posted: 5/20/2009 9:14:33 AM EDT
Can't believe it but....

NATCHEZ has SMALL RIFLE and LARGE PISTOL in stock..

can't believe I scored 5k of SR with only 2 days of looking (and being on the scene :)

https://www.natchezss.com/Category.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FA150&prodTitle=Federal%20Large%20Pistol%20Primers%201000%2Fb­ox

https://www.natchezss.com/Category.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FA205&prodTitle=Federal%20Primers
Link Posted: 5/20/2009 10:10:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By yarbsea:
Can't believe it but....

NATCHEZ has SMALL RIFLE and LARGE PISTOL in stock..

can't believe I scored 5k of SR with only 2 days of looking (and being on the scene :)

https://www.natchezss.com/Category.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FA150&prodTitle=Federal%20Large%20Pistol%20Primers%201000%2Fb­ox

https://www.natchezss.com/Category.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FA205&prodTitle=Federal%20Primers


out of stock
Link Posted: 5/20/2009 11:10:28 AM EDT
Guess my new routine paid off. Get up to get the kids ready for school at 7am, push them out the door onto the bus and then jump on the the reloading supplier websites to find something in stock!
Link Posted: 5/20/2009 11:17:49 AM EDT
I just couldn't get myself to pay $33 per thousand plus the hasmat fee.  So far I'm living off primers that I bought for $20 per thousand and I'm hoping things will settle down soon and prices retreat some before I restock.
Link Posted: 5/20/2009 12:26:00 PM EDT
I appreciate the heads up!!!



I got my order in, too bad I couldn't get powder at the same time - not in stock..



Even with the higher cost of the primers I'm still making 223 rounds for .25/each. Maybe not as cheap as they used to be but I just started reloading last October so I don't have alot to compare to. (no I don't add in my time - I enjoy it as a hobby)



I should be GTG for awhile now...

Link Posted: 5/20/2009 4:00:14 PM EDT
And they are gone now.....
Link Posted: 5/20/2009 4:59:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bfoosh06:
And they are gone now.....


They were gone just 30 minutes after he posted it.
Link Posted: 5/20/2009 9:10:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By retrodog:
Originally Posted By bfoosh06:
And they are gone now.....


They were gone just 30 minutes after he posted it.


sigh
Link Posted: 5/20/2009 9:57:42 PM EDT
I did a double-take when I saw them. I figured I would be waiting weeks or months to get some...now I have enough for the rest of the year!
Link Posted: 5/21/2009 9:58:05 AM EDT
I didn't think my order went through in time,   Went I came back out and looked again it said out of stock,  However, received email today saying they have shipped.
Link Posted: 5/21/2009 3:21:46 PM EDT
Midway has Remington SR Benchrest Primers in:
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=120656
Link Posted: 5/21/2009 3:43:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/21/2009 3:45:10 PM EDT by hlh1]
Originally Posted By sigsauer_pdx:
Midway has Remington SR Benchrest Primers in:
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=120656


"out of stock".  What a game...
Link Posted: 5/21/2009 3:50:15 PM EDT
no doubt missed it by minutes.....
Link Posted: 5/21/2009 5:23:01 PM EDT
I already hate reloading.
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