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Posted: 4/5/2002 9:33:07 PM EDT
[#1]
Wilson Combat CQB would be my choice. It is reliable, accurate and it is a 1911.
Nothing fits my smaller than average hand better than a single column 1911. Also, I have been shooting 1911 pistols longer than any other pistols and it use is almost second nature to me. With a good 8 round magazine, 9 rounds of 45ACP is enough to get the job done inside 30 yards unless you were being attached by a vary large mob... in which case no pistol is going to save you. Finally, I choose Wilson over SA or Para because I hate the squarish grip on the SA and Para grip is too large for comfort. |
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Posted: 4/5/2002 9:36:54 PM EDT
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H&K Mk23, due to the versatility and ability to attach different accessorises to customise to my current situation or environment.
also, in my opinion and experience the h&k had easier to manipulate controls under stress. just my .02 |
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Posted: 4/5/2002 9:46:36 PM EDT
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And if all else fails, you can club'em with the bohemoth. I tend to favor H&K, but think I would go with the Wilson Combat CQB. I don't have a 1911, but really want one, and Wilson makes a GREAT firearm. |
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Posted: 4/5/2002 10:15:13 PM EDT
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Man, I love HKs, but that MK 23 is just way too big for me. If you had inserted the Tactical or even the standard USP, I'd have been all over it.
That said, I think I'd go with the TRP. |
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Posted: 4/6/2002 7:01:23 AM EDT
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U.S. Made??? Isn't the Glock Austrian? And the Para-Ordnance Canadian? And the Beretta Italian? And the Sig Siwss? And the H&K German?
I'll vote for the Wilson Combat |
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Posted: 4/6/2002 7:03:31 AM EDT
[#7]
What? No 9mm?
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Posted: 4/6/2002 7:12:51 AM EDT
[#8]
Who want's a glorified .38 sp.? 1911A1 all the way. |
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Posted: 4/6/2002 8:04:38 AM EDT
[#9]
glock-21
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Posted: 4/6/2002 11:56:49 AM EDT
[#10]
I too would have opted for a HK Tactical.
MK23 Features, a bit smaller package. 12rnds Suppressor ready DA/SA + Decocker Handles +P loads and .45 Super Light/laser ready Reliability! But, since it wasn't on the list I would go for the G21. I have a G20(10mm) and love it. When I pick out a defensive gun I look for 1)reliability 2)Capacity 3)reliability |
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Posted: 4/6/2002 12:10:21 PM EDT
[#11]
Either 1911.
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Posted: 4/6/2002 12:17:44 PM EDT
[#12]
The U.S. made condition really shortens the list.
I find Rugers to large for my hand, I am not a fan of S&W for combat guns, so that would leave the Wilson. Its a good gun anyway. Waverunner, H&K is now an English company even though I am pretty sure they are still made in Germany. |
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Posted: 4/6/2002 12:20:55 PM EDT
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Wilson Combat CQB. You can even get a light rail installed on it now. The HK MK 23 is way too bulky, and the Glock has a attrocious trigger pull (plus, no external ssafety). The Wilson will beat both of them in accuracy. Since this is a defensive weapon, I'll assume that I don't need a silencer on it. If I did need a silenced handgun for entry, I'd probably use a USP Tactical or a Beretta M9 with an AAC or B&T suppressor.
themao 
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Posted: 4/6/2002 3:06:34 PM EDT
[#14]
Any 1911. Just like your AR you can change it to whatever you want-- or should I say can afford!!
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Posted: 4/6/2002 3:20:29 PM EDT
[#15]
Wilson CQB
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Posted: 4/6/2002 3:27:23 PM EDT
[#16]
No vote......colt mark4 series 70 is not on the list........O-K.....wilson cqb........
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Posted: 4/6/2002 3:39:42 PM EDT
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I go with either the Wilson or the Springfield. Parts are easy to get. Mags are plentyful. I would refinish the firearms in Black-T.
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Posted: 4/6/2002 5:59:10 PM EDT
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Just a thing on American made.
M9 is Beretta, is it Italian? HK has the Mark 23, is that German? Just like any company that wants to business with the US, they set up offices here in the US and make the guns here. So no matter who is the parent company is it is still US made. Food for thought. Thanks for the reply’s, keep them coming!! |
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Posted: 4/6/2002 6:27:55 PM EDT
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I favor Beretta, but, from the list you gave, I'd pick the Glock 21.
Anchorage PD did, too, I think. Capacity and simplicity of the gun, although I heard something about Glock having "unsupported chambers" and quite frankly don't know what this means or the significance of it. Maybe that would make this a bad choice. I really don't know. I wouldn't pick a tight custom shop 1911. I'd think a looser gun would function better in cruddy conditions. Probably the HK Mk23 would be the best choice overall, if I had a larger hand transplanted onto the end of my arm...  |
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Posted: 4/6/2002 6:34:04 PM EDT
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I would never pick the Mk23 dive weight, but I'd have picked the HK USP Tactical over my choice of the Glock 21, which is barely in second place.
-Troy |
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Posted: 4/6/2002 6:53:05 PM EDT
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Sig, Glock, Para Ordinance, and H&K may have offices in the USA but none of their guns are made here. I'm not sure about Berretta. That makes your American made list very short. |
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Posted: 4/14/2002 11:07:07 PM EDT
[#22]
Wilson CQB all the way!
1. Reliable 2. Accurate 3. Made in the U.S. 4. Battle proven design and cartridge. 5. Because the O.D. green/matte black, Armory Tuff finish looks badass. |
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Posted: 4/15/2002 12:47:57 AM EDT
[#23]
Need the Beretta 96G EliteII in .40 up there. Carry 2 of em, and you wont even need that pesky M4.
Edited to add this... Seriously, ever see how some 3rd world AK47 users tend to shoot from the hip in CQB? Shooting like that is actually a very useful, acquired skill. The gun has become an extension of the shooter, they are as one. They can quickly point and "feel" where their shots will go, alowing them to aim with tremendous speed. This also gives them a better view for faster target assesment. This method is best used with multiple handguns. Once perfected, you can fire without traditional aiming, at multiple targets, and usually while running. It's pure instinct shooting. You'll have a much larger freedom of movement, expecially when you have both guns holstered. Fighting like this is a rush, as you need fast reflexes and quick decision making. But when perfected, you've become one of the elite. Every squad needs a good pistoleer. Pro |
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Posted: 4/15/2002 6:23:43 AM EDT
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Is being U.S. made a requirement or just a "good thing"? How important is the cost factor? And why do you need to attach accessories to a defensive pistol? (Remember, you have an M4 to hang your gadgets on.) |
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Posted: 4/15/2002 7:58:03 AM EDT
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I'd choose the only 1911 in the bunch. Wilson CQB. 1911s are still unsurpassed when it comes to speed, accuracy, reliability and effectiveness.
Deuce01 |
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Posted: 4/15/2002 8:05:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2002 8:12:57 AM EDT
[#27]
I'd take the S&W 625-7 in .45 Colt. American made, and in .45 caliber.
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Posted: 4/15/2002 10:07:03 AM EDT
[#28]
My Colt Combat Elite or any colt 1911! And the next best Double action would be the SIG P220!!
Both are the 2 Tops!!! |
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Posted: 4/15/2002 10:37:15 AM EDT
[#29]
The defining attributes of a combat handgun. Reliability Simplicity Capacity The Glock 21 wins all three. |
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Posted: 4/15/2002 10:47:14 AM EDT
[#30]
I'd take the Hi-Cap Glock 21. For close in, the reliability, simplicity and firepower is worth any accuracy difference between 1911 style autos. The Mark23 would be next to useless, given it's ridiculous size. Besides, it's an OFFENSIVE pistol (and that's what it was designed for), if there can ever be such a thing.
If I had to pick a 1911, I'd pick the CQB (compact). |
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Posted: 4/15/2002 10:58:53 AM EDT
[#31]
I'd take the SIG 220. I shoot with my 226 and 228 all the time, it's what I know, what I've got the muscle memory for. In CQB, you don't have time to look for the controls.
BTW, Sigarms has a manufacturing plant in Exeter, NH, and Beretta in Potomic, MD. |
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Posted: 4/16/2002 12:33:00 PM EDT
[#32]
Sig P220 hands down....
"Engineer Reliability...... for When it Counts...." |
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Posted: 4/16/2002 3:12:35 PM EDT
[#33]
Heckler & Koch Mark 23 (yeah I know it's too big)
Tyler |
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Posted: 4/16/2002 3:28:16 PM EDT
[#34]
The H&K would be a hands down winner. I read somewhere on the web not too long ago some test data where they fired one 10,000 times without cleaning or any failures. Subjected it to extreme conditions (cold, hot, saltwater) with no problems.
I'll try to dig up the link and post it. |
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Posted: 4/16/2002 9:29:37 PM EDT
[#35]
Springfield Milspec, just put money down on one!
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